Originally posted by Nephthys
Because some random jedi gets offed in the cartoon instead of the book? Waaaaa?Easily solved. It was a different Jedi with the same name. A galaxy the size of SW, its bound to happen.
Now that I think of it, there aren't two characters in the entire mythos that have the same first name. Original bunch they are.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It is utterly moronic to suggest that they are somehow unreliable sources just because they were wrong about a subject because of something that they could of had no way of factoring into their assessment.Utterly. Moronic.
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While Colonel Tobin [and perhaps Visas] is apparently a mouthpiece for the authors to dump exposition, that doesn’t mean everything he says is literally factual.
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Spoiler:
Tobin's not an expert in the Force nor has he been confirmed to be present at Malachor. Visas is a Force user who's expertise in that realm is unattested, who was operating under Nihilus's mindthrall. What I'm saying is that their accounts aren't necessarily factual.
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In teh case of Visas, her claim that he might go on to destroy all life is an informed possibility that she is putting forward based on her knowledge about him. Again, nothing poetic and ambiguous about that at all.
An informed possibility. Again, when did speculation equal fact? Even if a universally recognized expert (which Visas has not been established to be) offers speculation on a subject, it is still speculation.
Originally posted by truejedi
no, that doesn't work. Some random can't inspire anyone else. So, twilight is dead. so that means that quote about vader being "so much more powerful" than kar vastor doesn't really count anymore.
Tobin's not an expert in the Force nor has he been confirmed to be present at Malachor. Visas is a Force user who's expertise in that realm is unattested, who was operating under Nihilus's mindthrall. What I'm saying is that their accounts aren't necessarily factual.
I fail to see how that replies to my problem with your own arguments. If I had wanted you to repeat completely unrelated points I would probably have shot myself. Because I would never want that.
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An informed possibility. Again, when did speculation equal fact? Even if a universally recognized expert (which Visas has not been established to be) offers speculation on a subject, it is still speculation.
I can't seem to recall me ever saying that it was fact. I was merely pointing out why her speculation cannot be simply written off as meaningless bullshit, the way Dooku's statement can be.
Originally posted by ares834
The new Jedi could be Jax master as well. Regardless just because part of the story is controdicted doesn't mean we should throw it out. Take the Thrawn Trilogy much of the stuff based on the CW was contradicted yet the story itself remains canon.
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TJ is being facetious.
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I fail
Clearly, and quite often.
To answer your question, I pointed out that they were wrong about the outcome of the duel to indicate that they're not omniscient, so just because they say something doesn't necessarily make it a fact because they were wrong. See? (The same applies to Dooku, obviously.)
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I can't seem to recall me ever saying that it was fact.
Your history suggests otherwise.
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I was merely pointing out why her speculation cannot be simply written off as meaningless bullshit, the way Dooku's staement can be.
Dooku, a Force-user whose training and experience is demonstrably greater than that of Visas, was observing Palpatine "through the eyes of the dark side" and mentally concluding that he is a black hole of the Force. There we go: An informed conclusion from a Force expert.
To answer your question, I pointed out that they were wrong about the outcome of the duel to indicate that they're not omniscient, so just because they say something doesn't necessarily make it a fact because they were wrong. See? (The same applies to Dooku, obviously.)
OMG! You mean....... characters can be wrong!? They're not omniscient!
HOLY SHIT SHERLOCK!
This doesn't make them not credible sources at all. Unless you suggest we throw out every source not utterly incontravertable like we used to do (what a silly age we lived in).
Your history suggests otherwise.
Well I'm saying otherwise x2!
Dooku, a Force-user whose training and experience is demonstrably greater than that of Visas, was observing Palpatine "through the eyes of the dark side" and mentally concluding that he is a black hole of the Force. There we go: An informed conclusion from a Force expert.
His conclusion being how utterly unknowable and unpercievable Palpatine is.
Yeah, kinda defeats his own analysis doesn't he?
Originally posted by Nephthys
This doesn't make them not credible sources at all. Unless you suggest we throw out every source not utterly incontravertable like we used to do (what a silly age we lived in).
No, we used to conclude that simply because a character offers an opinion, an informed opinion, or informed speculation that it still remains an opinion and speculation. Could it be right? Yes. Could it be wrong? Yes. Do we make sweeping conclusions strictly from them? No, which is what has been done here.
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His conclusion being how utterly unknowable and unpercievable Palpatine is.Yeah, kinda defeats his own analysis doesn't he?
Palpatine is "unknowable" even when gazed through the eyes of the dark side by a Force-user of extraordinary power. He's a black hole of the Force and you've got nothing that proves otherwise beyond your blatant dislike of the idea.
If only we determined canon based on what we liked.... You probably would have enjoyed the Janus-era a lot.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Digimon Tamers > Avatar: The Last Airbender.There I said it.
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I could almost accept Digimon adventures = Avatar: TLA, but Tamers is a POS cash-cow that shits all over established continuity. Fuck Digimon Tamers.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Oh snap, I guess that statement was black and white. Then again, slaves existed during the time this was written so your logic can't possibly be valid.
No, we used to conclude that simply because a character offers an opinion, an informed opinion, or informed speculation that it still remains an opinion and speculation. Could it be right? Yes. Could it be wrong? Yes. Do we make sweeping conclusions strictly from them? No, which is what has been done here.
I HAVE A HEADACHE!
I could almost accept Digimon adventures = Avatar: TLA, but Tamers is a POS cash-cow that shits all over established continuity. **** Digimon Tamers.
You...... know its a completely different and seperate universe right? As in there is no continuity to shit on?
lol.