Originally posted by quanchi112
If anyone wants to represent Sidious or any other jedi/sith using movie versions only against Voldemort movie version only click the link here. There will be judges and an official winner declared based off our arguments. If someone accepts we decide time length off and on limits, etc.
Every Force user can TK Voldemort's eyes into his head. What defense does he have against that?
I'm being facetious, but ultimately it comes down to Voldemort with ranged spells that can potentially kill on contact versus TK which all Force users can use that can hit him before he hits first. Also, Jedi have superhuman reflexes and precognition of events, meaning that they can see things happen and avoid them. I don't see Voldemort slinging a spell and getting away with it before a Jedi is in his face with a saber or is Force pushing him against a wall.
I just watched Deathly Hallows 2, and judging by movie speeds and feats alone, there is no way in hell a Jedi would survive against Voldemort, or even many of the lesser wizards. Jedi are never shown to be masters of the dodge button---their proficiency of speed is utilized in deflection, which even then can be overwhelmed. I opposed RJ on the grounds that he was an *sshole, but he was right; the speed of those spells and the rate they discharge them at would overwhelm all but the quickest and most powerful Jedi...
IF Jedi were capable of blocking magic spells...
And I swear I saw Voldemort casually employing telekinesis with his hand to roll that dead troll off the bridge.
The EU Jedi are more impressive and would stand a better chance, but I honestly think some of us here are projecting our feelings on a what a Jedi should be and seems like they'd be capable of. But I can't recall one instance (in the movies especially) where a Jedi or Sith moves at the speeds necessary to escape the radius of effectiveness of a wizard.
EDIT: Nor do I feel the techniques such as: explode their head with TK, Force Push them in to immobility, distract them with Lightning, or move-faster-than-their-eyes-can-see-and-kill-them-with-a-lightsaber are going to work. When was the last time an evil Sith Lord, or desperate Jedi in defense of the Order or the Republic used such bullet laser Force magic-proof techniques against ordinary men or robots? And succeeded?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
When was the last time an evil Sith Lord, or desperate Jedi in defense of the Order or the Republic used suchbulletlaserForcemagic-proof techniques against ordinary men or robots? And succeeded?
Instant, completely uncounterable by any magic what-so-ever, death ftw.
Of course, that is EU (Or is it. I've heard around that the cartoons are about on the same level of the movies now since GL's put so much of his attention on them?), however the point still remains that if Vader can, purely by orgasming inside his helmet, crush all of the medical droids and steel machinery around him into tin cans, he or anyone else can do the same to a mere windpipe. The fact that no one ever does is character induced stupidity.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I just watched Deathly Hallows 2, and judging by movie speeds and feats alone, there is no way in hell a Jedi would survive against Voldemort, or even many of the lesser wizards. Jedi are never shown to be masters of the dodge button---their proficiency of speed is utilized in deflection, which even then can be overwhelmed. I opposed RJ on the grounds that he was an *sshole, but he was right; the speed of those spells and the rate they discharge them at would overwhelm all but the quickest and most powerful Jedi...[b]IF
Jedi were capable of blocking magic spells...And I swear I saw Voldemort casually employing telekinesis with his hand to roll that dead troll off the bridge.
The EU Jedi are more impressive and would stand a better chance, but I honestly think some of us here are projecting our feelings on a what a Jedi should be and seems like they'd be capable of. But I can't recall one instance (in the movies especially) where a Jedi or Sith moves at the speeds necessary to escape the radius of effectiveness of a wizard.
EDIT: Nor do I feel the techniques such as: explode their head with TK, Force Push them in to immobility, distract them with Lightning, or move-faster-than-their-eyes-can-see-and-kill-them-with-a-lightsaber are going to work. When was the last time an evil Sith Lord, or desperate Jedi in defense of the Order or the Republic used such
bulletlaserForcemagic-proof techniques against ordinary men or robots? And succeeded? [/B]
You saw...Harry Potter? Did you check your pants after the movie to make sure you didn't lose something?
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
YouTube videoInstant, completely uncounterable by any magic what-so-ever, death ftw.
Of course, that is EU (Or is it. I've heard around that the cartoons are about on the same level of the movies now since GL's put so much of his attention on them?), however the point still remains that if Vader can, purely by orgasming inside his helmet, crush all of the medical droids and steel machinery around him into tin cans, he or anyone else can do the same to a mere windpipe. The fact that no one ever does is character induced stupidity.
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That scene alone saved my ass in countless debates.
Though I have to agree with Lucien in that I was only disagreeing with RJ out of spite because of what a cock he was. The Movie Wizards are massively overpowered, being able to transform into bloody smoke whenever they want and still (apparantly) be able to cast spells, have better telekinesis than Jedi (one randomass wizard fvcks up a train just by pointing at it) and have some spells which apparantly hit just by having the wand point in the general direction. I hate those fvcking movies.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonNo, I live in Canada. People don't rob pants in the movie thea--oohhhh.
You saw...Harry Potter? Did you check your pants after the movie to make sure you didn't lose something?
Yeah, my leg hair fell out, my balls developed tumors, and my multi-racial cock shrunk seven inches and became translucent. But I'm sure Snape has a potion for that.
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanDo. NOT. Contradict me.
YouTube videoInstant, completely uncounterable by any magic what-so-ever, death ftw.
Of course, that is EU (Or is it. I've heard around that the cartoons are about on the same level of the movies now since GL's put so much of his attention on them?), however the point still remains that if Vader can, purely by orgasming inside his helmet, crush all of the medical droids and steel machinery around him into tin cans, he or anyone else can do the same to a mere windpipe. The fact that no one ever does is character induced stupidity.
The anime is what I was thinking of when I said the EU would stand a better chance. Whenever I put a Jedi or Sith up against another fiction's character, this is what I imagine a Force-user doing to their opponents, and why I initially feel they would win most encounters. But I'm still waiting for one of you book/internet worms to conclusively link to something where the powers and abilities of the CW anime officially stand within canon (both in scope, and how they relate to their relative situation). As it is, Mace's Orange Crushing of Grievous no longer counts thanks to the CGI making the General a hacking, wheezing, lozenge-sucking coward from the get-go (to be fair, he was in RotS too).
Nephthys
Though I have to agree with Lucien in that I was only disagreeing
with RJ out of spite because of what a cock he was.
I'd honestly hope you're not that easy to perturb.
Nephthys
(one randomass wizard fvcks up a train just by pointing at it)
If by fvck it up, you mean... stops it...................................
I find it highly odd that I just watched an episode of Heroes where Sylar gets a pencil in his eye and then 5 minutes later your new username shows up.
I'm on to you.........
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
I'd honestly hope you're not [b]that easy to perturb.If by fvck it up, you mean... stops it................................... [/B]
Rj swelled the RAGE inside me in ways no other has. We are true kismesises, bound by our hate-love.
Thats still superior to anything movie Star Wars dudes have done.
Originally posted by Lucius
Herzlichen Glückwunsch zum Geburtstag.Either it's wrong, or you people have an entire phrase that means something along the lines of happy birthday.
(shamelessly used Google translate)
Thanks. It's correct.
A "retranslation" would be "Hearty Congratulation to (the) Birthday".
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Do enlighten us with these 'obvious' reasons.
There is simple no value in gold with the exception of the trust people have in it. What is gold good for? Not much, actually.
It is used for some microelectronics in very small amounts but most of it (more than 90 % actually) is used to create jewelry. In times of economical crisis, some people may like to invest their money in gold, yet, on the other side, far more people won't buy jewelry and devices for entertainment or communcation in such uncertain times, leading to less gold being needed for jewely and microelectronics, resulting in the actual gold price dropping again.
The other factor is mere common sense. It is rather unreasonable for two oz. of gold to be worth more than a house or a flat. Especially, when there is nothing useful to do with the material. In short: At some point, people will simple come back to trusting gold less, lowering the price again. Might not happen in the next years, but it will at some point in time. One can make some money until that day, though. Volkswagen stocks were still more fun in 2008 and from 2009 onwards. 😉
You saw...Harry Potter? Did you check your pants after the movie to make sure you didn't lose something?
Despite some claims to the contrary, the Potter series is not the Twilight series. In fact, Emma Watson alone is a good reason for male spectators to have a look at the latter movies. 😉
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Movie Wizards are massively overpowered, being able to transform into bloody smoke whenever they want and still (apparantly) be able to cast spells, have better telekinesis than Jedi (one randomass wizard fvcks up a train just by pointing at it) and have some spells which apparantly hit just by having the wand point in the general direction. I hate those fvcking movies. [/B]
They aren't that much overpowered, if one reads the books (including the complementary works to the series) carefully.
There is an instance in "Order of the Phoenix" in which Lucius Malfoy manages to cast an Imperius Curse on a guy hiding below an invisibility cloak by waving his wand in the general direction. The wand aiming of Wizards is such, that Snape was capable of hitting flying flies with killing curses when he was a boy (seen in "Order of the Phoenix" in one of his memories if I'm not mistaken) - and he managed to (intentionally) cut the ear of one Weasley twins with a spell, while both Snape and his target were flying. If one looks at some instances of spell casting used in the books, it's also clear that expert Wizards can fire several spells per second (as they just need to think the required spell).
In "Fantastic Beats and where to find them", there is an instance in which a single wizard performs a memory charm on the city of Brighton (as far as I remember), after a dragon has flown over, effectively mind-wiping all inhabitants (150.000) with a single spell. Peter Pettigrew apparently killed 12 people with a single spell, blowing a street in London up deep enough to escape through the sewers, which are usually 20+ feet below the streets.
And the smoke thing is pretty tough. Yet, they do simple teleport around in the books, even while fighting (Dumbledore and Voldemort in their OotP duel).
For their general powers, one might think about the fact that untrained Voldemort was capable of telekinesis, mindcontrol and magical torture at the age of 11, without having received any kind of formal training and without any access to a wand. And while he was, without doubt, a pretty powerful being, one can guess that fully trained Wizards with a wand can do pretty much damage.
You would need to put them up against inhabitants of the SW EU if you want a SW win, and even then, I doubt that there is more than a hand full of Jedi and Sith that could stand up against the likes of Dumbledore, Voldemort or Grindelwald and live to tell the tale. Those Wizards simply have too many ways up their sleeve to cripple and kill possible opponents, while being able to take much damage or avoid it at the same time.