Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenixs power spawns and sustains the multiverse and the abstracts every creation cycle
Nope. She THOUGHT she was the embodiment of Life, she was wrong, Phoenix is not the WELL SPRING of life in the ALL, she's an EXPRESSION of the universal life-force.
Ofcourse with proof.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You mean microversal don’t you? lol
LOL, NO.
As a matter of fact I did some research on the Microverse, apparently even I was wrong about an intricate detail relating to the Microverse. But you where way off as usual.
The Microverse is actually even bigger than our own universe.
The reason it's called the Microverse is because you can only access it through a passage way called the ZERO POINT, where you must be Microscopic in order to pass through.
No wonder Scion said that the explosion that would have disintegrated the Microverse would have spilled over to adjacent realities on a molecular level, thus causing a chain reaction that would have annihilated many universes including our own.
So you wrong about it being a minute feat because you thought the Microverse, which is a UNIVERSE bigger than the 616 universe, was a sub-atomic universe.
As always., proof. of what the Microverse is.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All matter and energy from reality originates from the force anyway. Big deal.
But she doesn't maintain or fuel that matter and energy, she only sparks the begining and end of that transitional cycle that is self serving.
As Galactus responded, when Phoenix claimed to be the embodiment of life.
Galactus said, " You are an expression of the universal life-force, NOT a WELL SPRING."
He also said, "In the moment of creation, ALL that will EVER BE, WAS, in Birth and Death there is Transition..and in living, advancement.
But NOTHING NEW is created."
It's an inevitable cycle that is not governed by the Phoeinx Force, but certainly influenced. She turns on the switch and turns it off, just like my uncle turns on the boiler to heat the water up, once it's heated he turns it off and stops the process. Of his own poer he does nothing, like Phoenix.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What about Phoenix casually amputating a universes future timeline? (NXM 154)
And Beyonder almost amputated the ENTIRE TIMELINE ALL together, of ALL realities not just one. The Time Stream in it's entirety was almost shattered, if it were not for Reed talking Beyonder out of it.
Ofcourse with Proof, not just talk and prolonged monologues.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He recreated her by just killing a human. He merely re-introduced the concept, don¡¦t try and make it sound more impressive than it was.
Don't make it sound impressive? What nerve!
I'm not making it sound, it is what it is and ofcourse I will post the scans.
He erased the MULTIVERSAL Concept of Death, that's one.
And then he RECREATED Death, he didn't "re-introduce" Death you fargin LIAR!
What does that mean anyway, where did you get that from, gs, even for you, that's a bit pathetic.
Here are the scans:
He RECREATES Death from a sentient creature.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Don't make it sound impressive? What nerve!I'm not making it sound, it is what it is and ofcourse I will post the scans.
He erased the MULTIVERSAL Concept of Death, that's one.And then he RECREATED Death, he didn't "re-introduce" Death you fargin LIAR!
What does that mean anyway, where did you get that from, gs, even for you, that's a bit pathetic.Here are the scans:
He RECREATES Death from a sentient creature.
Next: Death exists again.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nightcrawler could have achieved that feat with a flick of his prehensile toes.
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This doesn't even deserve a response, this is like the last draw, when all else fails. You hit rock bottom with this one. Now your bordering stupidity along with fascist idealisms coupled with warping facts and evidence to straight up LIES.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your description would lead people who haven¡¦t read the mini to believe he reformed Death out of his own energies or something of that nature.
Who's damn energy was he using then? Dave's? the guy he RECREATED Death out of? LOL
Is this one of your jokes? Or are you being insane again?
Death DID NOT EXIST when Beyonder KILLED it.
Beyonder and Beyonder ALONE, RECREATED Death.
Anyway I just posted the proof before, don't have to repeat myself.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Death of 616 isnt a multiversal being, it is very much universal and has counterparts. It is however linked to its counterparts and the ridding of Death of 616 was felt across the multiverse as stated. Please bear in mind how it was felt was not determined. For you to assume that that line meant that Death no longer existed in the multiverse and to present your interpretation as fact is really not acceptable
Unbelievable your still talking out your azz!
Stop making stuff up, STOP contorting the FACTS and maybe you'l regain some respect, but at this pace, your only sinking deeper and deeper.
I've told you, stick to your made up stories about Phoenix, do not challenge my Beyonder expertise, I have the comics with scans prepared to uncover your style of debating, If not misconstrueding the facts, then simply LIEING is your method.
But here's the scan, so EVERYONE sees you talk without knowing.
"The Absence of Death ripples through the Ether like a shockwave!
The simpler life-forms are already affected!
The energy sustained forms..plants..."
Here's the big one:
"SOON, the FULL EFFECT will reach ALL LIFE in the Multiverse"
You can dispute this but you'l be ignored, I'm not debating with a monkey, I assume your human.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
she then proceeded to reach in to reality psionically to alter the reactions of Cyclops thereby causing a new future to grow. (The one youre currently reading about every time you pick up a Marvel comic
Big deal,
So did Beyonder
He complete altered Hulk's future and destiny, causing a new future to grow,(the Hulk your currently reading about every time you pick up a Hulk comic).
Banner was suppose to be lost forever after Hulk #300, when he was teleported out of our reality by Dector Strange, even Srange had no idea where he sent him, since he acted instinctively before Hulk smashed him, but luckily the Beyonder had just been traversing ALL the Multiverse from his suit in a Manhattan hotel, where he found Banner in his final hours at a nexus of realities.
And yes, with PROOF as always:
Originally posted by Mr Master
Big deal,So did Beyonder
He complete altered Hulk's future and destiny, causing a new future to grow,(the Hulk your currently reading about every time you pick up a Hulk comic).
Banner was suppose to be lost forever after Hulk #300, when he was teleported out of our reality by Dector Strange, even Srange had no idea where he sent him, since he acted instinctively before Hulk smashed him, but luckily the Beyonder had just been traversing ALL the Multiverse from his suit in a Manhattan hotel, where he found Banner in his final hours at a nexus of realities.
And yes, with PROOF as always:
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And Phoenix projected a tower throughout the multiverse, making it exist simultaneously in every reality therefore connecting them and creating an energy matrix that courses throughout the multiverse. It was with this power that Otherworld was created.
Phoenix creates Otherworld.
Beyonder creates Battleworld.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Celestials Homeworld to my knowledge isn¡¦t in another universe it very much is within 616 unless you can post the scene here to show me where it states otherwise.
See you did good here, you showed limitation, and you asked "post the scene here to show me where it states otherwise."
And I will but why the following.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
While the Celestials themselves, their essences are to be found in hyperspace their homeworld is in 616 therefore referring to that as an example of him having multiversal omniscience would be flawed practice im afraid. You appear to be confused on the concepts. It is very much within the 616 space/time continuum so you cant have that one either my friend.
See and now you put your foot in your mouth.
You show wisdom by asking for scans,
but you then speculate about the Celestials, and demean what I wrote by saying, "my example would be flawed practice"
And that little snide remark, 'you can't have taht one either my friend."
Without even knowing if your right, this is what get's to me.
In anycase here's the Proof AS ALWAYS!
The Celestials have THEIR OWN Universe!
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As a side note, the Beyonder has never said that he was all reality in the multiverse. Lets not lget carried away now MM.The Beyonder was NOT all reality. Where has this ridiculous new claim just suddenly come from. Nowhere has it been stated that he was ALL reality.
Except in Marvel comics.
Yes ofcourse the PROOF, THAT I ALWAYS HAVE AND YOU NEVER, LOL.
Here Beyonder is All. He controls ALL reality, his IMAGINATION and REALITY are indistinguishable, everything is what he says it is.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its stated on panel that he was a universe outside the main one in the first issue of SW2.
And in those same issues it's stated that he was the Beyond Realm, which is EVERYTHING outside ALL KNOWN EXISTENCE!
And in those same Marvel comics Reed said Beyonder was the LIVING EMBODIMENT of ABSOLUTE POWER.
I know, I know,
when it concerns you and it caters to your aarguement, it's exceptable, but when it contradicts your sense of the hierarchy in Marvel, it's iether hyperboling, or it doesn't coincide with "on panel" feats, that can only be determined by you. LOL.
Make up your mind already.
Originally posted by Mr Master
And in those same issues it's stated that he was the Beyond Realm, which is EVERYTHING outside ALL KNOWN EXISTENCE!And in those same Marvel comics Reed said Beyonder was the LIVING EMBODIMENT of ABSOLUTE POWER.
I know, I know,
when it concerns you and it caters to your aarguement, it's exceptable, but when it contradicts your sense of the hierarchy in Marvel, it's iether hyperboling, or it doesn't coincide with "on panel" feats, that can only be determined by you. LOL.
Make up your mind already.
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Many actions performed by cosmics are described by non cosmics or captions as impossible or incalculable. Big deal. Its just a way of conveying the scale they operate on. Regardless the destruction of a sub atomic pocket dimension is not beyond many a cosmic.
Yea but we now know it is much more than a "sub-atomic pocket dimension"
It's a UNIVERSE, get it right dude, A UNIVERSE! on a magnificent scale, bigger than 616. LOL
Yes with proof, though I posted this already.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
A claim that as discussed here and in the previous thread not only wasn’t verified on panel but was cast into doubt by Beyonders appearances and as such is insufficient evidence. While its your choice to take it as fact if you wish, you cant preach it as so in debate with others.
Cast into doubt by you and you alone homie.
I'm not preaching anything, that's what the Secret Wars II #9 says, in plain text.
You don't like it,
Take it up with Marvel company they distributed the information.
Take it up with Stan Lee who owns Marvel and supported Secret Wars I and II, all the way,
Take it up with Jim Shooter who wrote Secret Wars.
Take it up with the on panel proof.
Here it is:
Beyonder = is millions of times more powerful than ALL the rest of the power in the multiverse combined!