that's the biggest load of crap i've ever heard... the nets been broken by xenomorphs using brute strength, it's been cut by a samarai wielding a katana, it was cut when a human got ahold of one of those smart disks... it's nowhere NEAR the strength of admantium... not even close...
It's true, Maybe I should have worded my sentences better. The net has been stated to be nearly indestrucable. Yes, there has been instances where the nets have been broken by knives, blades and stuff, but usually only Predator weapons and Alien's corrosive blood works.
Maybe these other predators didnt use "nearly indestrucable" nets? I'd say not every Predator have access to such weapons. And besides, Predator comics usually vary a lot. So dont jump on me
yeah and the strongest venom that ever existed pwned juggernaught with ease in a physical contest... what are you trying to prove here... if you have to bring up the baddest strongest preds just to make this competition interesting that doesn't say much for preds in general.
I never said this Predator should be capable of doing something like that. Read my post again. I was just witnessing that not all Predators are same in the comics. (To be honest, Tank lifting and beating an Alien queen with nothing but fists are BS IMO.)
How strong Venom is in your opinion, tell me.
Nah.. most preds are assumed to be at the 10 ton class range which is below spiderman level.... venom's ahead of that class range by leagues... in any case their strength doesn't really matter here.. if they're not stronger than juggy or hulk then their brute force ain't doing much here.
Eh, that's what I meant. I meant the orginal strength level of Spider-man. (Haven't really followed Spiderman in a while) Spiderman has beat Venom does feel Spiderman's punches (10 tonner's) Imagine Spiderman thrusting a spear directly into Venom's stomach. Strength does count.
and if the pred has to use that they've already probably lost...
Yes, but this makes sure Venom dies if the Predator dies.
The plasmacasters fire bolts capable of tearing through military chopper's armor, and they can fire them rapidly.
Even I'm more of a Venom fan, I have to give this to the Predator. His firepower is just too big, not to mention their blades (according to comics cut in a molecular level. Sound's odd, doesnt it?)
Fair fight though.
Originally posted by Jyppe
Eh, that's what I meant. I meant the orginal strength level of Spider-man. (Haven't really followed Spiderman in a while) Spiderman has beat Venom does feel Spiderman's punches (10 tonner's) Imagine Spiderman thrusting a spear directly into Venom's stomach. Strength does count.
No it doesn't. Venom does not really feel Spidey's punches.
Spider-man only managed to push him back. He never managed to KO Venom. In fact I never saw Venom KOed at all, only with sonics.
Venom took Juggernaut punches and laughed.
And cutting Venom never worked before.
Originally posted by Sam ZWait, not that this matters, but venom has been hurt by spiderman... Spiderman even went beserk and pretty much pwned him, I'm not saying he'd win the majority, but people have this hard on for venom where they think he's on hulk's level. He isn't even able to beat carnage in a well written fight...
No it doesn't. Venom does not really feel Spidey's punches.
Spider-man only managed to push him back. He never managed to KO Venom. In fact I never saw Venom KOed at all, only with sonics.
Venom took Juggernaut punches and laughed.
And cutting Venom never worked before.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterreally? in which comic did Spidey own Venom by going berserk? I'm just asking because in most of the comics where they fight I mostly see that Spidey's punches do little to Venom (aside from annoying him). As for Venom being in Hulk's level is indeed absurd but Venom did show that he wouldn't go down easy when they fought but that's neither here nor there.
Wait, not that this matters, but venom has been hurt by spiderman... Spiderman even went beserk and pretty much pwned him, I'm not saying he'd win the majority, but people have this hard on for venom where they think he's on hulk's level. He isn't even able to beat carnage in a well written fight...
Originally posted by blind faithOh I don't think he'd win the majority either, I'm just saying his hits can hurt him...
really? in which comic did Spidey own Venom by going berserk? I'm just asking because in most of the comics where they fight I mostly see that Spidey's punches do little to Venom (aside from annoying him). As for Venom being in Hulk's level is indeed absurd but Venom did show that he wouldn't go down easy when they fought but that's neither here nor there.
I wish I had the issue number, but it was when he was going to his high school reunion, and venom showed up and killed on of the people in his school... I guess I'll be taken a trip to the library...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wait, not that this matters, but venom has been hurt by spiderman... Spiderman even went beserk and pretty much pwned him, I'm not saying he'd win the majority, but people have this hard on for venom where they think he's on hulk's level. He isn't even able to beat carnage in a well written fight...
I'm not saying he is on Hulk's level(he certanly isn't) But he obviously is durable enough to take punches from Hulk or Juggernaut and he proved that. Spider-man never really beat him h2h. He once made him fall from scyscraper but it took him only few seconds to recover. You can't really say Spider-man's punches effected him. And yelling "ouch" does not prove that.
And since Venom beats Carnage almost everytime they fight, I hardly can say it was bad written story...
Several characters have dodged machine gun bullets, and have taken hits from the hulk... it makes them fast and strong, but it shouldn't be mistaken for being able to go toe to toe with these things consistently.
Also there's a difference between dodging and missing, dodging entails that the bullet would hit IF the character hadn't moved... missing is just the marksman missing.
Originally posted by Sam ZYelling, "ouch", "arrgh", dropping what he was doing immediately, and running away from a fight proves it fine to me.
I'm not saying he is on Hulk's level(he certanly isn't) But he obviously is durable enough to take punches from Hulk or Juggernaut and he proved that. Spider-man never really beat him h2h. He once made him fall from scyscraper but it took him only few seconds to recover. You can't really say Spider-man's punches effected him. And yelling "ouch" does not prove that.
And since Venom beats Carnage almost everytime they fight, I hardly can say it was bad written story...
When has he beaten carnage head up when he wasn't distracted, or anything like that? Carnage has owned spiderman, venom, black cat, AND the ff... whenever Venom starts pounding on carnage its because carnage isn't trying his hardest to get rid of him.
Carnage is venom's superior in pretty much every way, in regards to the symbiote. Eddie vs Cassidy, then Brock might win.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yelling, "ouch", "arrgh", dropping what he was doing immediately, and running away from a fight proves it fine to me.
Even Juggernaut yells "ouch" all the time (and he doesn't feel pain at all) So it doesn't prove anything. If 3 year old kid kicks you in thr knee you would say "ouch" too but it doesn't mean you was really hurt.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
When has he beaten carnage head up when he wasn't distracted, or anything like that? Carnage has owned spiderman, venom, black cat, AND the ff... whenever Venom starts pounding on carnage its because carnage isn't trying his hardest to get rid of him.Carnage is venom's superior in pretty much every way, in regards to the symbiote. Eddie vs Cassidy, then Brock might win. [/B]
Carnage never owned Spidey Venom and cat at the same time. He never fought with FF. Actually it was Venom who owned Spidey and Torch at the same time.
Venom beat Carnage in maximum carnage easilly
Before you bring damaged mind argument i want to say 3 things.
1) His mind wasn't that damaged he was even joking during the fight
2) He, himself said it didn't effected his strength and speed
3) Venom was barely standing when Carnage appeared so it still was a fair fight.
Venom beat him in Venom on trial like there was no tommorow. And without any help. Spider-man actually had to beg Venom to leave Carnage alive.
He overpowered him in Venom and Carnage.
The only time Carnage was shown superior was during savage alliance and that was Carnage first appearance. Writers had no choise but to show him a badass.
Venom proved many times he IS superior to Carnage.
Originally posted by Sam Zdidn't Carnage also admit that Venom would kill him in last part of Maximum Carnage, he strangled Spidey and threw him on a tombstone and he was going to attack Spidey and said: "Sayonara Spidey! I can't let Venom take me down without one for the road--and guess who's the fall guy?" From that, it sounded like Carnage thought Venom was too much so I think still Venom could take him down or at least stalemate him but it sure won't be easy.
Oops, accidently quoted myself.
Originally posted by blind faith
didn't Carnage also admit that Venom would kill him in last part of Maximum Carnage, he strangled Spidey and threw him on a tombstone and he was going to attack Spidey and said: "Sayonara Spidey! I can't let Venom take me down without one for the road--and guess who's the fall guy?" From that, it sounded like Carnage thought Venom was too much so I think still Venom could take him down or at least stalemate him but it sure won't be easy.
👆 true, and in venom and carnage he had to wait untill Venom stoped guarding Toxin so he could try to kill him. Means he was affraid to face Venom.
Originally posted by Sam ZI haven't read it but I see your point 🙂 oh well but in this fight between Venom & Elder Predator are we agree that Venom wins the majority?
👆 true, and in venom and carnage he had to wait untill Venom stoped guarding Toxin so he could try to kill him. Means he was affraid to face Venom.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Even Juggernaut yells "ouch" all the time (and he doesn't feel pain at all) So it doesn't prove anything. If 3 year old kid kicks you in thr knee you would say "ouch" too but it doesn't mean you was really hurt.
Pain is a wide spectrum of expression... but pain has little to no meaning with incapacitation 100% of the time, I could knock you unconscious without you feeling a thing, and I could do something like, put my finger under your nose and make you feel extreme levels of pain, and do no immediate affect to your immediate health.
So does venom react to spiderman's hits?
Most definately so.
Has venom yelled in pain as well?
Yes.
Not to mention that spiderman himself is usually occupied while fighting venom, and like things with venom and carnage have changed, things with venom and current (adult) spiderman have changed as well.
Spiderman has hurt the hulk, so he CAN hurt venom...
Originally posted by Sam Z
Carnage never owned Spidey Venom and cat at the same time. He never fought with FF. Actually it was Venom who owned Spidey and Torch at the same time.
He hasn't? Spiderman and venom have teamed up several times against Carnage, and the FF had to assist, and carnage was detained.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Venom beat Carnage in maximum carnage easilly
The maximum carnage saga, why does everyone seem to forget that the avengers hit him with an alpha wave and that weakened carnage, I love that comic, and venom was beating him up. Carnage was in a weakened state in that fight, hell he wasn't even TRYING to fight.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Before you bring damaged mind argument i want to say 3 things.
1) His mind wasn't that damaged he was even joking during the fight
So what its a comic, comic characters joke alot, especially in spiderman of all places. Carnage was weakened and brock rushed him into the generators before he came back to full power.
Originally posted by Sam Z
2) He, himself said it didn't effected his strength and speed
But somehow yelling "ouch" isn't credible? Somehow contradictory.
Carnage IS faster, and stronger than venom, he is statistically proven so, outside of matches and popularity contests... the person in the symbiote may be different more or less, but carnage's symbiote is stronger... add to the fact that Cassidy is willing to kill, and you have a beast.
Originally posted by Sam Z
3) Venom was barely standing when Carnage appeared so it still was a fair fight.
Spiderman, black cat, and a shitload of other's helped to overcome him, Carnage went to dig his mother out of a grave, he was obviously in a weakened psychological state from the alpha wave.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Venom beat him in Venom on trial like there was no tommorow. And without any help. Spider-man actually had to beg Venom to leave Carnage alive.
And he didn't seem to be fighting back at his greatest potential.
Spiderman begged Venom to leave Carnage alone because they weren't killers in an example, and Carnage was weakened and they had little time.
Originally posted by Sam Z
He overpowered him in Venom and Carnage.
Or here either.
Originally posted by Sam Z
The only time Carnage was shown superior was during savage alliance and that was Carnage first appearance. Writers had no choise but to show him a badass.
No, spiderman and venom have been shown weaker, (especially during ealier appearences) by carnage.
Hell spiderman beat carnage symbiote on silver surfer, but that doesn't really mean that spiderman is a good match for Kleutus.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Venom proved many times he IS superior to Carnage.
Venom isn't stronger, or faster, than Carnage, nor can he attack with his symbiote like Kleutus can... I don't see him winning in a versus match in this forum, perhaps in a popularity contest though. Or in comics.
Originally posted by blind faithThat same match venom was attacking carnage before he could come back to full power and ran him into generators. Why do people leave this out?
didn't Carnage also admit that Venom would kill him in last part of Maximum Carnage, he strangled Spidey and threw him on a tombstone and he was going to attack Spidey and said: "Sayonara Spidey! I can't let Venom take me down without one for the road--and guess who's the fall guy?" From that, it sounded like Carnage thought Venom was too much so I think still Venom could take him down or at least stalemate him but it sure won't be easy.
I agree however that the writers have made them roughly equal in recent years... but venom as a superior in a match where there was no plot device or anything else in the way, not really.