Elder Predator vs Venom

Originally posted by Sam Z
Juggernaut while fighting Hulk yelled as well, so? Still doesn't prove anything.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Juggernaut KOed Thing in three punches but couldn't KO Venom in 10 so?

Now you are using different extremes of examples, Spiderman had Venom running for his life...

Originally posted by Sam Z
Sorry but NEVER happened, he never fought fantastic four and he ONLY fought Spider-man and Venom as a team in savage alliance.

Originally posted by Sam Z
In maximum carnage spider-man was actually stopping Venom from going for Carnage and when they fougtht as a team Carnage had many villians to help him.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Venom was barely standing when Carnage appeared so he was in MUCH worse shape and still beat him. Carnage tried to fight but couldn't lay a finger on Venom.

How was he in much worse shape? He appeared fine, spiderman was injured, and carnage was fleeing the entire time, he had no intent on even fighting Venom, he broke into his old cell and everything. If you call that a fair fight, then you're obviously biased.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Brock was the one who wasn't in full power. He was tortured for hours before the fight. Venom did rushed him into generators but after beating him for two issues.

He knew those blows would never finish carnage, Carnage even said he could see clearly now, and Brock did it before carnage came to full power.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Only words. Faster... stronger... Venom proves an oposite thing almost in every their fight.

And again, why do only words matter when you want them to? Why does " I can't take him" matter, but "arrgh, or faster and stronger doesn't?

Venom even admitted HIMSELF carnage was faster and stronger.

Hell all the symbiote spawn are upgrades to their parents.

Venom<Carnage<Toxin

Originally posted by Sam Z
Actually Spider-man was only distrubing Venom there. Everytime Venom was going to finish Carnage Spider-man was attacking him from the back. Venom did beat Carnage in fair fight and there is nothing to argue about.

He was hitting him, he only "finished him by nailing him into some generators.

Venom stalked and attacked a carnage that didn't want to fight... it would be like spiderman attacking a venom who didn't want to fight when brock was dying from cancer.

Originally posted by Sam Z
He was fighting at full potential and WASN'T weakened. Where did you get that from.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Venom simply was beating him and laughing at him that Carnage couldn't even return the favour.

We need reading comprehension classes here.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Again, shown weaker only during savage alliance. All other time Venom had an upperhand. And Spider-man didn't beat silversurfer with symbiote. Surfer wasn't even fighting, he convinced Spider to return symbiote to kassidy.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Couldn't attack like what? With axes? Actually he can and he did formed shape weapon with his suit.

He can't project them or other methods like that as well, he has less resistance to fire and sonics as well...

Originally posted by Sam Z
Why do people leave that Venom was weakend MUCH more that Carnage. He couldn't even stand still. He ran him into those generators after beating crap of him for a long time.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Venom did beat Carnage MANY times in fair one-on-one fights. You can't denie it. He was shown superior to Kassidy in all fights except for the first Carnage appearance.

Venom wuld just regrow everything the predator managed to blow off with his shouldercannon

Originally posted by Jyppe
It's true, Maybe I should have worded my sentences better. The net has been stated to be nearly indestrucable. Yes, there has been instances where the nets have been broken by knives, blades and stuff, but usually only Predator weapons and Alien's corrosive blood works.

Maybe these other predators didnt use "nearly indestrucable" nets? I'd say not every Predator have access to such weapons. And besides, Predator comics usually vary a lot. So dont jump on me

I don't doubt the tinsil strength of the netting.. I just don't think it's anywhere near indestructible.. I'm fairly confident that venom could and would shred it if he had to.

Originally posted by Jyppe
I never said this Predator should be capable of doing something like that. Read my post again. I was just witnessing that not all Predators are same in the comics. (To be honest, Tank lifting and beating an Alien queen with nothing but fists are BS IMO.)

How strong Venom is in your opinion, tell me.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Eh, that's what I meant. I meant the orginal strength level of Spider-man. (Haven't really followed Spiderman in a while) Spiderman has beat Venom does feel Spiderman's punches (10 tonner's) Imagine Spiderman thrusting a spear directly into Venom's stomach. Strength does count.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Yes, but this makes sure Venom dies if the Predator dies.

The plasmacasters fire bolts capable of tearing through military chopper's armor, and they can fire them rapidly.

the thing is venom's taken an lsd rocket to his face and he shrugged it off... I think given his history it's not unreasonable to assume he could dodge many blasts and take whatever hits him in stride...

Originally posted by Jyppe
Even I'm more of a Venom fan, I have to give this to the Predator. His firepower is just too big, not to mention their blades (according to comics cut in a molecular level. Sound's odd, doesnt it?)

Fair fight though.

Originally posted by braz
noo. i meant venom isnt as mobile as he would be in the city cuz he'd be able to swing on buildings with webshooters liike spidey.

and an elder pred would eventually hit Venom with that plasma cannon, theyre beyond surgical with them damn things. u think theyre bada$$ with a sword?, just think what an elder would do with a shoulder cannon. and yes, that plasma IS too hot for Venoma symbiote to withstand, iont care how durable u say it is.

no but he'd be able to swing on trees.. his strength and agility is still leagues ahead of a predator.... and this fight is in a city landscape anyways.... (read the first page) so i don't know what the hell you're talking about....

AND you don't care how durable I think venom is?

it has nothing to do with what I say.. it has to do with what he's proven in comics.. i.e. plasmas not too hot.. sorry.... in venom "the run" the suit blow venom up from the inside with a plasma explosion... all it did was knock venom off his host but it failed to disable to symbiote... not too hot. sorry.. you fail.

Originally posted by braz
u think that a Pred, and the strongest pred at that that has ever existed. meaning like no other will ever be like him(48 ton strength) lifting a tank is bullshyt, u should check to see what ur saying.

Originally posted by braz
ur saying a street-levler like Venom could take hits from som1 like the Juggernaut and laugh about it.

Originally posted by braz
😱 now thats some bull.

care to explain why? I mean street levels are known to take heavy amounts of punishment all the time.. hell look at wolverine... being street level has nothing to do with it... look at venom's powerset.. he can clearly take super human punches from class 100's....

Originally posted by braz
and iont care iont wanna c the scans ive already seem em. thats PIS though. a giant whos virtually invulnerable with 100 ton+ strength and that cant be stopped due to the laws of motion when he gains momentum pounding away at som1 like Venom and him LAUGHING about it? 🤨 now thats some shi*ty azz writing

as for the whole venom carnage thing....

running the risk of getting into another post for post slugfest with c-master... all I'm gonna say is this...

yes spiderman has beat down venom with his fists leaving venom in a bad situation.. but he's only done this twice.. once was during the venom agenda...
the second time was at pete's reunion and that wasn't eddie brock venom.. infact it was pretty clearly indicated that spiderman's punches were harming the host more psychologically than physically. I blame that due to lack of experience...

But let's recap.. venom in the venom agenda was physically weakened allready due to his cancer and surgery before the fight.. even then he was still BARELY able to feel spidey's punches until he threatened mary jane...

the point is... consistently spiderman completely fails to subdue venom with brute force and this is something that proves true 95% of the time. Venom HAS taken shots from juggy, hulk, and iron man, and got right back up... hell he's taken shots from a depowered supes... (yes that's been recognised by both marvel and dc in canon material.. and no I'm not completely serious in counting it.. just making a point).

as with carnage vs. venom..
in maximum carnage, carnage was weakened.. but venom was more so.. he WAS barely able to stand (in the issue before that he collapses on the ground).. and carnage DID start that fight.. he only tried to recant that decision when he realized he was losing horribly.

to this date venom has beaten carnage on almost every occasion with the exception of carnage's first appearance...
each thime they've fought has been on equal footing and carnage still manages to lose.. I think.. for those exact reasons that venom stated....

finally.. someone said that carnage is more resistant to flames and sonics.. but I say NAY! carnage grew to be stronger against sonics sure.. but he's got an affinity for flames that's so much worse than venom's it's not even funny... the only difference between them is that carnage is able to recover faster since his symbiote runs reserves all through his bloodstream and eddie never had that luxury...

Originally posted by jinzin
as for the whole venom carnage thing....

running the risk of getting into another post for post slugfest with c-master... all I'm gonna say is this...

yes spiderman has beat down venom with his fists leaving venom in a bad situation.. but he's only done this twice.. once was during the venom agenda...
the second time was at pete's reunion and that wasn't eddie brock venom.. infact it was pretty clearly indicated that spiderman's punches were harming the host more psychologically than physically. I blame that due to lack of experience...

But let's recap.. venom in the venom agenda was physically weakened allready due to his cancer and surgery before the fight.. even then he was still BARELY able to feel spidey's punches until he threatened mary jane...

the point is... consistently spiderman completely fails to subdue venom with brute force and this is something that proves true 95% of the time. Venom HAS taken shots from juggy, hulk, and iron man, and got right back up... hell he's taken shots from a depowered supes... (yes that's been recognised by both marvel and dc in canon material.. and no I'm not completely serious in counting it.. just making a point).

Originally posted by jinzin
as with carnage vs. venom..
in maximum carnage, carnage was weakened.. but venom was more so.. he WAS barely able to stand (in the issue before that he collapses on the ground).. and carnage DID start that fight.. he only tried to recant that decision when he realized he was losing horribly.

to this date venom has beaten carnage on almost every occasion with the exception of carnage's first appearance...
each thime they've fought has been on equal footing and carnage still manages to lose.. I think.. for those exact reasons that venom stated....

My point is that Carnage has the superior symbiote.

Originally posted by jinzin
finally.. someone said that carnage is more resistant to flames and sonics.. but I say NAY! carnage grew to be stronger against sonics sure.. but he's got an affinity for flames that's so much worse than venom's it's not even funny... the only difference between them is that carnage is able to recover faster since his symbiote runs reserves all through his bloodstream and eddie never had that luxury...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Ok I'm not arguing spiderman beating venom, just that he can hurt him... so you agree.

Yeah I agree.. the only question is "is it to any significant degree?"
while he's certainly inflicted pain on venom I'd have to say the answer is no.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But Carnage has always been fought with superior numbers, and I already agreed that more recently they've been shown at a draw.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My point is that Carnage has the superior symbiote.

agreed (sans current venom symbiote).... but he also has an inferior host.. I think that's his main problem...

kinda like venom now.. the symbiote SOOOOO much more powerful than it used to be.. but it doesn't have a host who knows how to use it like brock did so venom-villains keep failing vs. spiderman where as an inferior-symbioted brock trounced spiderman like it was his dayjob.. lol.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Right Carnage is weaker against fire, brock through sonic's.... I agree...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wow, so not only did you ignore all my other points, but you constantly insist that a character in pain doesn't mean they are in pain? 😕 So characters words only apply when YOU want them to apply, it seems so.

I go by facts. Spider-man's punches never KOed Venom or even showed any effect except for yelling "ouch".

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Now you are using different extremes of examples, Spiderman had Venom running for his life... [/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yes he did, spiderman called them for backup, its in the history.[/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yes because he's not a killer (spiderman), and they teamed up on carnage in the park, when carnage was digging up his mother's grave, yet you constantly insist that Carnage was fighting at his best during that fight. Why?[/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
How was he in much worse shape? He appeared fine, spiderman was injured, and carnage was fleeing the entire time, he had no intent on even fighting Venom, he broke into his old cell and everything. If you call that a fair fight, then you're obviously biased.

By who?[/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He knew those blows would never finish carnage, Carnage even said he could see clearly now, and Brock did it before carnage came to full power.[/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Carnage's symbiote is CHARACTERIZED to be faster and stronger, if you want to debate semantics..[/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And again, why do only words matter when you want them to? Why does " I can't take him" matter, but "arrgh, or faster and stronger doesn't?

Hell all the symbiote spawn are upgrades to their parents.

Venom<Carnage<Toxin
[/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He was hitting him, he only "finished him by nailing him into some generators.

Venom stalked and attacked a carnage that didn't want to fight... it would be like spiderman attacking a venom who didn't want to fight when brock was dying from cancer.[/B]

During "MC" Venom was beating him around for 2 issues before hitting generators. And he OBVIOUSLY WAS in MUCH worse shape than Carnage. Arguing that means arguing the facts.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
"Its only a matter of time before that alpha gizmo wears off, better contact the avengers!"-Spiderman.[/B]

You just don't see the difference between "maximum carnage" and "on trial". Carnage was NOT weaken during the trial and still got his ass kicked hardly. And again Spider had to ask Venom to leave him alive.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I should have known better to argue with a guy with venom in his sig, not to be stereotypical, but Carnage did NOT want to engage anybody, not at all... he made some half assed efforts to defend himself, Carnage was growing stronger and Brock ended it by running him into regenerators..[/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He didn't have the symbiote on him and was fighting to get it off?.[/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He can't project them or other methods like that as well, he has less resistance to fire and sonics as well....[/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He couldn't stand still, but he was fighting and laughing like a champ earlier in the post? Ok...
[/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You've shown me your mind won't change, and that you are twisting the matches into your favor and are missing some key points of their history... but ah well. [/B]

I only showed many proofs of my words. You only showed that you prefer to believe what you read in directories but ignore many facts from books.
Once again for you.

"savage alliance" Carnage had an upper hand against Venom and Spider-man. Even there Venom was able to resist sonic attack for longer.
"MC" Both symbiotes were weak, Carnage had problems with his head but it didn't effected his speed and strentgth. Venom was barely standing and still kicked his ass.
"On trial" Venom and Carnage were both tracked by Spider, some agents and daredevil who were fighting against Venom as much as against Carnage. Venom beat the crap out of Carnage and was rewady to kill him but then desided to leave him alive.
"C and V" Venom overowered him in underground.
"unlished" they were fighting through the net. Carnage had experience of travelling through the net, Venom hadn't. But still they had a tie.
I don't need my mind to change since I proved all I said and
pointing that I think that Venom would win only because I'm his fan is low and useless too. I don't just say "he wins! He is so cool!"
I give proofs.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

But Carnage has always been fought with superior numbers, and I already agreed that more recently they've been shown at a draw.

Not true. When Carnage appeared from the lake Spider-man wasn't even fighting. It was 1 on 1. Spider was just standing and whining "how Carnage fooled us all!"

In all other fights Carnage had other villians to help him. Or Spider was fighting against both symbiotes at the same time.

Btw, I just re-read The Mace and Venom's disguise doesn't work against his thermal vision mode, and the stuff the Mace guys shoot at him arent Plasma, they're lasers. Nearly not the same.

This happened a moment before Carnage appeared. Venom is in a MUCH worse shape than Carnage.

Yeah right, Carnage didn't even tried to fight Venom...

Look how he stands and waits untill Venom punches him. And pay attention how HELPFULL Spider-man is.

Elder wins.

...

Spider-man actually fights Venom more than Carnage.

And not only in the hause but at the cemetry too, he had to save Carnage again.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Btw, I just re-read The Mace and Venom's disguise doesn't work against his thermal vision mode, and the stuff the Mace guys shoot at him arent Plasma, they're lasers. Nearly not the same.

Plasma works the same way as heat and it wont hurt him much.

Told you sam im watching in the shadows........... 🥷