Originally posted by C-Dic
Why not? Because it's a waste of time trying to single out these people. They're harmless, and today, aren't doing much more than exercising their right to free speech. A true KKK census would be their enrollment, which has hardly skyrocketed, given in 2005, membership was at 3,000 people worldwide. You'd think if they were dissatisfied with the current state of their world, they'd enlist in the army, not join a club.
yeah, lets see a source for that, ok? numbers mean jackshit without a source.
i could just say you mistakenly left off a couple of zeros.
The Year In Hate, 2005
A 5% annual increase in hate groups in 2005 caps a remarkable rise of 33% over the five-year period that began in 2000.
by Mark Potok....
[article lists hate groups and then we come to the KKK...]
KU KLUX KLAN Overall, the number of Klan groups increased from 162 in 2004 to 179 last year. The two largest groups, the Imperial Klans of America and the Brotherhood of Klans, both continued to expand. Three new groups also appeared on the scene. One, the United Northern and Southern Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was largely formed by a faction that left the Mystic Knights, while another, the Empire Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, replaced the now-defunct Southern White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. A third new group, the Fraternal Knights, also was formed.
Two older Klan groups disappeared. Both the Orion Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, the most active Klan group in America in the late 1990s, showed no activity at all in 2005.
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[and of those 179 groups...]
Active U.S. Hate Groups in 2005
Ku Klux Klan
179 Hate Groups Found
» Read a list of hate incidents
The Ku Klux Klan, with its mystique and its long history of violence, is the most infamous -- and oldest -- of American hate groups. Although blacks have typically been the Klan's primary target, it also has attacked Jews, immigrants, homosexuals and, until recently, Catholics. Over the years since it was formed in December 1865, the Klan has typically seen itself as a Christian organization, although in modern times Klan groups are motivated by a variety of theological and political ideologies.
Started during Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War, the Klan quickly mobilized as a vigilante group to intimidate Southern blacks -- and any whites who would help them -- and to prevent them from enjoying basic civil rights. Outlandish titles (like Imperial Wizard and Exalted Cyclops), hooded costumes, violent "night rides" and the notion that the group comprised an "invisible empire" conferred a mystique that only added to the Klan's popularity. Lynchings, tar-and-featherings, rape and other violent attacks on those challenging white supremacy became a hallmark of the Klan.
After a short but violent period, the "first era" Klan disbanded after Jim Crow laws secured the domination of Southern whites. But the Klan enjoyed a huge revival in the 1920s when it opposed (mainly Catholic and Jewish) immigration. By 1925, when its followers staged a huge Washington, D.C., march, the Klan had as many as 5 million members and, in some states, considerable political power. But a series of sex scandals, internal battles over power and newspaper exposés quickly reduced its influence.
The Klan arose a third time during the 1960s to oppose the civil rights movement and to preserve segregation in the face of unfavorable court rulings. The Klan's bombings, murders and other attacks took a great many lives including, among others, four young girls killed while preparing for services at the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Ala.
Since the 1970s the Klan has been greatly weakened by internal conflicts, court cases, a seemingly endless series of splits and government infiltration. While some factions have preserved an openly racist and militant approach, others have tried to enter the mainstream, cloaking their racism as mere "civil rights for whites." Today, the Center estimates that there are a total of 5,500 to 6,000 Klan members, split among scores of different -- and often warring -- organizations that use the Klan name.
Originally posted by FunkMaster Flex
Alright, whatever.You were the mod that closed it, and had the last post. I was bored, and I bumped an already pointless thread. My post was a simple "OMG!" I have never "trolled" before, and that was a result of sheer boredom. What really ticked me off, is that my ban notice said that I had a previous warning, which I did not. Had I known bumping threads was against KMC rules, I would have not bumped the thread. I was bored, I'm sorry, is it really that big of a deal? Big enough that I should not have been able to visit this site for fourteen days?
No, I can infer what type of people they WERE. I am talking about nowadays, after one of their leaders almost became president. Are they bad nowadays? From what I have seen so far....no.
You still going with the same song and dance? Get over it!
It doesn't matter whether they WERE...they still the same racist and discrimantory group. I told you to read books and news articles. If you came here to tell us that they're no longer the same then you really have the wrong impressions. Honestly what is the you want?
On a side Note...
Bye Presyin!
Have we not watched enough of Jerry Springer in the early years of his show what the KKK are really about. They are like the Minutemen, compleately sicko in the fact that they killed black people by putting them on crosses and setting them on fire, they hunted black people and spanish people for fun according to them. They are more racist than any other society in the world IMO.
Originally posted by PVS
yeah, lets see a source for that, ok? numbers mean jackshit without a source.
i could just say you mistakenly left off a couple of zeros.
As of 2005, there were an estimated 3,000 Klan members, divided among 158 chapters of a variety of splinter organizations, about two-thirds of which were in former Confederate states. The other third are primarily in the Midwest region. [52][53][54]
With the reports you provided, you proved my point. They're nothing to worry about. Powerless neighborhood gangs. They're like the Green Party and Ralph Nader. They've got a stupid agenda, but no ways or means by which to carry it out.
Figures speak for themselves. Klan enrollment dropping, merges, inactivity. You take 160 "cells" and divide it by 3,000, and you get about 18 people per club. That's a ****ing baseball team.
Harmless. But all this facts and figures shit is beside the point. They're "bad", but as I said before, they're nothing to worry about. There are bigger instances of racism in corporate America that people tend to ignore, that effectively seperate races every single day, and that's the segregation and racism we need to take note of.
Originally posted by C-Dic
Wikipedia - KKKWith the reports you provided, you proved my point. They're nothing to worry about. Powerless neighborhood gangs. They're like the Green Party and Ralph Nader. They've got a stupid agenda, but no ways or means by which to carry it out.
Figures speak for themselves. Klan enrollment dropping, merges, inactivity. You take 160 "cells" and divide it by 3,000, and you get about [b]18
people per club. That's a ****ing baseball team.Harmless. But all this facts and figures shit is beside the point. They're "bad", but as I said before, they're nothing to worry about. [/B]
there numbers were never much greater. 😬
i fail to see the logic in writing off a terrorist group as powerless based on numbers. i dont recall al qauda needing 100,000...10,000...or even 100 men to prove that they are a danger. on that note, timothy mcveigh was but one man.
imho, what is relevant is what they have done and will continue doing, which is nothing short of terrorism.
Originally posted by C-Dic
There are bigger instances of racism in corporate America that people tend to ignore, that effectively seperate races every single day, and that's the segregation and racism we need to take note of.
i agree on that point, among many other which could be made. particularly the fashion/music industry seems to love promoting the image of the stereotypical ignorant misogynist materialistic black thug, they especially appeal to white kids. so it would seem a singling out, yet everyone who falls for it is a victim, thus the middle class white suburban gangsta... in fact i think the problem has more to do with classism these days.
but i digress. point is (as i think you agree), its easier to visualise a white hood or an iron cross as the problem, because thats simple and easy to identify/distance from....as opposed to having to confront family/friends/peers/corporations/government who may be racists to some degree. with that said though, they are still (kkk) much of a threat imho.
Originally posted by PVSimho, what is relevant is what they have done and will continue doing, which is nothing short of terrorism.
Someone's numbers are off, or were exaggerated for effect, which is common in journalism.
What they did is history, and what they're doing now is nothing. You can't hold modern day Germans accountable for the Holocaust. On the same token, we have to realize that the KKK has evolved, too, and like I said, are more political terrorists than anything. Granted, not to the extreme points of al Quieda.
There's a difference in the definition of "terrorism" that needs to be acknowledged. Yeah, the KKK are terrorists, but their activity just isn't worth worrying over. If it makes everyone happy, go ahead and acknowledge them as such, but holding an Anti-Immigration rally and burning down a Mexican's house for assulating a little white girl, is small change compared to incinerating 3,000 alive with airplanes to get across a delusional point, which was that God hates America and that we asked for it.
The KKK just has a pipedream of a White America, and for the past century have been trying to make it so, with to no avail. Why? Because they don't have the support, since most everyone knows it's a lost cause, and they'll continue to have turn over in enrollment, after these yokels realize they've been seduced into a waste of time organization.
If we're so pro-equality, don't bother with the neighborhood brat KKK members. They'll burn out eventually. Turn your focus to corporate America and the African American legions that are having their cake and eating it too. I'm far from racist, and while it doesn't effect my everyday life necessarily, for the sake of equality, someone needs to open their eyes and show them how potentially dangerous what they're doing, by exclusively catering to their race, is to race relations in the future. On the flipside, America (whites and black alike) need to take a hard look into the working class immigrants. It's modern day slavery, at best, forced labor.
It's all a big mess that effects us all in a much more profound way than some Southern based group of racists with a political agenda ever could.
Originally posted by C-Dicno, because the german nazis were defeated and their leaders brought to justice.
You can't hold modern day Germans accountable for the Holocaust.
Originally posted by C-Dic
There's a difference in the definition of "terrorism" that needs to be acknowledged. Yeah, the KKK are terrorists, but their activity just isn't worth worrying over. If it makes everyone happy, go ahead and acknowledge them as such, but holding an Anti-Immigration rally and burning down a Mexican's house for assulating a little white girl, is small change compared to incinerating 3,000 alive with airplanes to get across a delusional point, which was that God hates America and that we asked for it.
but where is the logic in only focusing on the most dangerous terrorist groups and ignoring the less severe? i understand your message of priority, but that doesnt mean that the kkk are harmless. yes, as just a bunch of sorry old men in white rags they would be, but yet here they are successfully brainwashing idiots like the thread starter.
Originally posted by C-Dic
The KKK just has a pipedream of a White America, and for the past century have been trying to make it so, with to no avail. Why? Because they don't have the support, since most everyone knows it's a lost cause, and they'll continue to have turn over in enrollment, after these yokels realize they've been seduced into a waste of time organization.
i hope you're correct, but everytime i watch nascar i somehow feel that their dream was at least partially realised.
but yet here they are successfully brainwashing idiots like the thread starter.
The KKK hasn't done anything in recent years to raise any flags, though. They rally. That's an undeniable example of freedom of speech. They can try and get people to listen to what they have to say. That doesn't mean people are listening, much like the people they brainwash are filled up with empty promise of a "pure America". Just stuff that will never happen, preached by some delusional old guy.
Not to sympathize, but they get a bad rap because of old stereotypes. All thats in these groups power is to rally and talk. That's all they've got. They're passive physically and assertive politically, and their politics have not, and will not effect ours, because they'll never hold a place in any senate. It's amusing to watch them try though.
Keep an eye on them, sure, but until they start cattling and gassing Jews, Hispanics, Blacks, and multiracial peoples, I say keep the attention focused on the real problem. We can't violate their rights because they have intolerance in them.
a few years ago when those two idiots dragged some poor guy from the back of thier pick up and killed him(he was dismemebered and decapped) KKK members posted on thier web page that those " two brave soldiers for the white race, is getting life behind bars when the did nothing more than animal cruelty"
these ppl regularly call for genocide and ethnic cleansing, and the overthrowing of the federal govt...yeah they're really misunderstood 🙄
You still going with the same song and dance? Get over it!I am just telling you that I think it was wrong.
It doesn't matter whether they WERE...they still the same racist and discrimantory group.?
I told you to read books and news articles.But I didn't.....
If you came here to tell us that they're no longer the same then you really have the wrong impressions.I didnt.....
Honestly what is the you want?A well thought out, convincing, and respectful answer to my question.