Originally posted by FunkMaster Flex
A well thought out, convincing, and respectful answer to my question.
you recieved many well thought and convincing responses. however it is difficult, to say the least, to show respect for someone so easily brainwashed in the face of history....because of a frikin website. how on earth does that command any respect?
Originally posted by PVS
you recieved many well thought and convincing responses. however it is difficult, to say the least, to show respect for someone so easily brainwashed in the face of history....because of a frikin website. how on earth does that command any respect?
I'm not brainwashed, the website was just a little thought-provoking. I'm not convinced that they are good citizens, or in the very least good people. That is why I asked a question, and did not make a statement.
Originally posted by C-Dic
The KKK hasn't done anything in recent years to raise any flags, though. They rally. That's an undeniable example of freedom of speech. They can try and get people to listen to what they have to say. That doesn't mean people are listening, much like the people they brainwash are filled up with empty promise of a "pure America". Just stuff that will never happen, preached by some delusional old guy.Not to sympathize, but they get a bad rap because of old stereotypes. All thats in these groups power is to rally and talk. That's all they've got. They're passive physically and assertive politically, and their politics have not, and will not effect ours, because they'll never hold a place in any senate. It's amusing to watch them try though.
Keep an eye on them, sure, but until they start cattling and gassing Jews, Hispanics, Blacks, and multiracial peoples, I say keep the attention focused on the real problem. We can't violate their rights because they have intolerance in them.
The reason you may not have heard of too many reported crimes committed by the KKK is because in the states where they reside, many police officers and sheriffs belong to the KKK, and they won't really rat themselves out, now will they?
A bad rap cuz of old stereotypes? I wondor whose fault that is...? :rollseyes:
And what stereotype are you referring to? The "i hate blacks hispanics and jews" white guy with a rifal in his hand, white hood, and low education? Hmmm.....I'm pretty sure thier still the same buddy.
Until they start cattling and gassing Jews, Hispanics, Blacks,etc.....how about harassing, hanging, shooting, and most likely covered-up killing? Should we do anything about it?
Originally posted by FunkMaster Flex
I'm not brainwashed, the website was just a little thought-provoking. I'm not convinced that they are good citizens, or in the very least good people. That is why I asked a question, and did not make a statement.
And its a good thing you brought it up.
If the site wasn't thought provoking, or their general propaganda, the KKK would have died out long ago - but it hasn't. And I think this is the agenda worth discussing (in a respectful manner of course).
Taking a complitely different approach, like KKK are doing, will affect younger people - which is their main goal. They are not interested in converting old gits, but younger audience.
I think its important you made this thread - shame a lot of pages were wasted on ''you are a moron'' argument.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The reason you may not have heard of too many reported crimes committed by the KKK is because in the states where they reside, many police officers and sheriffs belong to the KKK, and they won't really rat themselves out, now will they?A bad rap cuz of old stereotypes? I wondor whose fault that is...? :rollseyes:
And what stereotype are you referring to? The "i hate blacks hispanics and jews" white guy with a rifal in his hand, white hood, and low education? Hmmm.....I'm pretty sure thier still the same buddy.
Until they start cattling and gassing Jews, Hispanics, Blacks,etc.....how about harassing, hanging, shooting, and most likely covered-up killing? Should we do anything about it?
With a worldwide registry of between 3,000 and 6,000, I'd find it incredibly hard to believe that the Klan has their hands on every branch of law enforcement in their respective cities. People clinging to old stereotypes is their own fault, because they don't educate themselves, instead, go along with their prejudice, dated assumptions. If anyone wants to have a worthy opinion of something, they should be somewhat educated in said subject.
One persons actions don't speak for the entire club. 3 members mauled a black guy 8 years ago, and even then the KKK upheld a strong anti-violent credo, which is something people wouldn't believe at first, based on stale stereotypes. It's like assuming soldiers in the war all agree with President Bush, when in fact some probably hate Bush, but love their country, and will defend the people, and not the presidents decision. They're all on the same team, but don't act as one all the time.
As for your last comment; just prove it. Prove there are cover ups. And if you can, what makes those crimes any different from those in the big cities where a white guy shoots a black guy or vice versa? The only difference is that those acts will go down in a police blotter as a "hate crime" instead of a "homicide". Crime is crime. Motivation shouldn't matter because the circumstances are all the same. They're murderers.
Originally posted by C-Dic
With a worldwide registry of between 3,000 and 6,000, I'd find it incredibly hard to believe that the Klan has their hands on every branch of law enforcement in their respective cities. People clinging to old stereotypes is their own fault, because they don't educate themselves, instead, go along with their prejudice, dated assumptions. If anyone wants to have a worthy opinion of something, they should be somewhat educated in said subject.One persons actions don't speak for the entire club. 3 members mauled a black guy 8 years ago, and even then the KKK upheld a strong anti-violent credo, which is something people wouldn't believe at first, based on stale stereotypes. It's like assuming soldiers in the war all agree with President Bush, when in fact some probably hate Bush, but love their country, and will defend the people, and not the presidents decision. They're all on the same team, but don't act as one all the time.
As for your last comment; just prove it. Prove there are cover ups. And if you can, what makes those crimes any different from those in the big cities where a white guy shoots a black guy or vice versa? The only difference is that those acts will go down in a police blotter as a "hate crime" instead of a "homicide". Crime is crime. Motivation shouldn't matter because the circumstances are all the same. They're murderers.
Who cares if you believe they are non Violent.
They Are still racist you dumb f°ck! And THAT is NOT ACCEPTABLE in any way, shape or form, or any way you look at it.
ARE THE KKK THAT BAD???
Depends, would you consider a group of people who feel they are superior and entitled to more than other people solely based on their racial heritage bad? Add to that the hypocrisy of preaching Christian ideals while simultaneously preaching intolerance and hate. Server says?
Personally, they should be allowed to think and preach whatever they like as long as they do not encroach on anyone’s freedoms. For the record, I think they're a bunch of ass backwards, low-rent, hypocritical, redneck troglodytes.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I think its important you made this thread - shame a lot of pages were wasted on ''you are a moron'' argument.
it depends on the question.
"is the kkk as dangerous today as it was in the past?"
"does the kkk hold to the same ideals or have they become more tame?"
these are questions which beg discussion.
"I saw the KKK's official website. They don't really seem to be that bad."
is not an intelligent opening to a debate.
just my 3 cents
Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
Who cares if you believe they are non Violent.They Are still racist you dumb f°ck! And THAT is NOT ACCEPTABLE in any way, shape or form, or any way you look at it.
You been warned about member bashing in the past. Take a few days off...
Please continue with the topic everyone...
Originally posted by PVS
it depends on the question."is the kkk as dangerous today as it was in the past?"
"does the kkk hold to the same ideals or have they become more tame?"these are questions which beg discussion.
"I saw the KKK's official website. They don't really seem to be that bad."
is not an intelligent opening to a debate.just my 3 cents
Which is EXACTLY what the issue is.
Something made the thread starter doubt what he knows about KKK - that is the the issue of conversation.
He is 14 years old and you are thirthy something. The KKK is not going to bother to convice you shit - its younger people like him that they will target.
And THAT is an issue of the thread.
Originally posted by Koala MeatPie
Who cares if you believe they are non Violent.They Are still racist you dumb f°ck! And THAT is NOT ACCEPTABLE in any way, shape or form, or any way you look at it.
Racism is acknowledged and tolerated in everyday life. Nothing's done about it either. Are there "white only colleges to rival Moorhouse and Florida A & M? Is there a "White Enterprise" magazine? Is there "Ivory" to rival "Ebony" or "Jet"? Have you seen a clothing line like "FUBU"? (For Us By Us, and by Us, they mean black people only?) Is there a United Caucasian College Fund? Is there a Rainbow Coalition for the betterment of the WHITE community?
No. Why? Because white people aren't in the practice of segregating themselves in the mainstream. African Americans have got corporate White America in the palm of their hand, and it's the truth, because while it's not representative of the entire race's views, nobodies doing anything to stop the self-segregating African American community, are they? Jews never asked for reperations for what they endured at the hands of their slavemasters. They were granted their freedom, and moved on.
I'm not by any means racist, but I am against hypocrites that have their cake, eat it to, then try to take someone elses slice, claiming they never got any. You can't go to the "we're owed this" well but once in my book.
Back to the KKK. I care that they are non-violent, actually, because they're not in any violation, but get treated unfairly. There's a reason that the KKK operates under different banners, because they have different standards, but the ONE underlying belief is spreading their message through NON VIOLENT ACTIVISM. As despicable as the club may be, they're doing nothing wrong. Just a clan sharing a common dream, albeit one that will never be realized.
Racism is wrong, but supression of rights is sometimes worse. If people are guilty, they'll get their judgment day when it's all said and done.
Originally posted by C-Dic
Racism is acknowledged and tolerated in everyday life. Nothing's done about it either. Are there "white only colleges to rival Moorhouse and Florida A & M? Is there a "White Enterprise" magazine? Is there "Ivory" to rival "Ebony" or "Jet"? Have you seen a clothing line like "FUBU"? (For Us By Us, and by Us, they mean black people only?) Is there a United Caucasian College Fund? Is there a Rainbow Coalition for the betterment of the WHITE community?No. Why? Because white people aren't in the practice of segregating themselves in the mainstream. African Americans have got corporate White America in the palm of their hand, and it's the truth, because while it's not representative of the entire race's views, nobodies doing anything to stop the self-segregating African American community, are they? Jews never asked for reperations for what they endured at the hands of their slavemasters. They were granted their freedom, and moved on.
I'm not by any means racist, but I am against hypocrites that have their cake, eat it to, then try to take someone elses slice, claiming they never got any. You can't go to the "we're owed this" well but once in my book.
Back to the KKK. I care that they are non-violent, actually, because they're not in any violation, but get treated unfairly. There's a reason that the KKK operates under different banners, because they have different standards, but the ONE underlying belief is spreading their message through NON VIOLENT ACTIVISM. As despicable as the club may be, they're doing nothing wrong. Just a clan sharing a common dream, albeit one that will never be realized.
Racism is wrong, but supression of rights is sometimes worse. If people are guilty, they'll get their judgment day when it's all said and done.
Now that you mentioned it - I believe Jews were/are one of the most persecuted group of people in history - yet I believe they were the only ones who truly turned the other cheek.
Perhaps something we should look up to.
As far as KKK goes - its freedom of speach. It certainly does not come without its price.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Which is EXACTLY what the issue is.Something made the thread starter doubt what he knows about KKK - that is the the issue of conversation.
He is 14 years old and you are thirthy something. The KKK is not going to bother to convice you shit - its younger people like him that they will target.
And THAT is an issue of the thread.
i was educated enough on the atrocities committed by the kkk long before 14. (i believe the discussion began at about 4th grade) i guess our system of education is failing worse than i imagined.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Now that you mentioned it - I believe Jews were/are one of them most persecuted group of people in history - yet I believe they were the only ones who truly turned the other cheek.
I always wondered why everybody seemed/seems to pick on the jews. I never got that.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
As far as KKK goes - its freedom of speach. It certainly does not come without its price.
I don't think that's what people intended when they granted/desired freedom of speech. I think with freedom of speech comes responsibility. I hate the fact that any a**hole can say what he wants, no matter who or how many he hurts, with no concern to how it affects others, and hide behind freedom of speech.
"is the kkk as dangerous today as it was in the past?"
"does the kkk hold to the same ideals or have they become more tame?"
I dunno if these were rhetorical questions or not, but I can answer them via anecdotes from my past replies;
The KKK is nowhere near as dangerous now as they were in the past, which is the basis of my entire arguement. At the height of the popularity, they were 5 Million strong, and widespread. That's a force to be reckoned with. Now, at merely 10% of that, not so much. They have the power of persuasion through speech, and the only people that would be effected are people that have thought the same exact thing before. Nobodies views can change just like that, so radically that they go from being happy with their surroundings to anting to incite ethnic cleansing. It doesn't work like that, which is why enrollment is so low.
The KKK holds the same ideals as they did back in the day, without question. It's pretty simple in that they want an all white America. They've been driven from the big cities, so now they're "settling" on outskirts, where they "thrive" for lack of a better word. They can't exist outside of small towns, so if they could have their little white utopia, they'd be happy, but again, they have no pull or means by which to execute it, so they're still fighting a battle they can't win. I say let them. Let them toss around their baseless propaganda, preach about the baseless evils of all the other races, and gab about how we'd all benefit from corrupt white people in robes running for Mayor of Mayberry.
Like I said, it's amusing, even if a few peoples feelings get hurt.