Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh by nebulae unfolding, the hypocricy here is astounding."I think abortion is wrong and nobody should do it, so I'll tell everyone who supports it that they're wrong. However, I'll say that pressing your beliefs on others is wrong, and that having sex is great if you educate yourself."
-AC
If you're going to quote me, at least type in what I actually said and not your version of what I said to fit you're arguement.
A 100 years ago, people were married in their teens. Today, it seems more like mid 20's to mid 30's. Nobody can expect people to subdue urges that long. I believe that teens need to educated, not only with the physical, but also the psychological affects. I had sex as soon as I was "developed" enough, but I wasn't ready for all the emotions that went along with it. I was very disrespectful to girls that I dated early on. As an adult, I do feel some degree of guilt. I am a Catholic. My priest told me that the Church understands the times in which we are in and that I should only do "it" with a girl that I care about. I can live with that.
There's nothing wrong with abstinence in of itself. People mock it simply because... hell, people mock ANYTHING, especially with kids.
Heck, whilst it is not a necessity for common sense, there is a darn good chance that the average abstinent person is leading a far more sensible life than the average sexually active person; one look at STD stats proves that. But if there is an issue with abstinence, it is because some areas (mostly religious, but not ALL religious areas, I hasten to add) have hijacked it into preachy, moral superiority.
Which is wrong.
Originally posted by Mindship
In the last 40 years, we went from a society that was sexually repressive to sexually progressive to sexually obsessive (largely profit-driven). Compounding this 1) our society still views itself as sexually progressive; and 2) responsibility has become a four-letter word.Abstinence is one form of sexual responsibility, but instead it is seen as "old-fashioned." No wonder that someone who wants to abstain is ridiculed.
Follow your head and your heart. Don't think with your gonads; that's not what they're there for. If you want to abstain, do so. You'll have plenty of time to screw around as you mature and be better able to handle any consequences--intended or otherwise--when you're older.
Indeed.
This post, and the one by Ush, are the only good ones in this topic so far.
Yes, people were married at 15,14, and even 12 in olden days.
Yes, we are meant to have sex at a younger age than what modern society has limited us too. (if you were to count being educated, established, and financially secure as qualifications for finding a wife and getting the privilege of sex with her among other things.)
However, those aren't what we look for in order to have sex now days.
It's usually, Is she/he hot?
and Wanna do it?
But truth be told, abstinence, will do NOTHING to hurt you physically, or psychologicaly.
You wont' spontaneously combust with semen (for the guys) if you don't get laid by age 25.
You won't turn into some sort of sex craved pervert either.
It is in fact very sensible to wait until you find somebody who you love to marry, then have sex with just them.
You save yourself for them, (and hopefully, they for you) and both of you skip the whole "how many people have you been with" "have you ever been tested for STD's" "we need protection" "I missed my period" "we may need to get an abortion" bullshit.
Your spouse won't leave you or hate you for your sexual inexperience, (not if you truly love each other).
Instead you will explore sex together, getting better and better at it.
Plus, you won't have any frame of reference, no doubts or guilt about past lovers getttin in the way.
As for the nonsense about abstinent people being losers who can't get laid,...
I present Emily and Tony, 2 good friends of my wife and I.
He's a funny, sports-loving guy, and she's a cutie with a great personality.
BOTH of these "losers" were virgins at marriage, she 23 and he 26.
If you wanna f*ck whatever's in sight go for it, but don't act like those who choose to live differently are somehow "wierd", "nerds" or "losers."
Originally posted by FunkMaster Flex
Yes. I just finished my freshman year, and there were maybe 5 sexually active girls. No pregnancies out of the whole school.
Well, that you know of, really.
My high school had 1100 students the year I graduated (300 in my class), and there were something like...7-8 pregnant freshman. And this was at a high school that was just named second best in the state and in a rather wealthy area. It happens, and sadly, it's quite common.
I think the problem with abstinence is that in most schools in the US, that's all sex-ed covers -- sex is bad so don't do it. If there isn't sufficient education, then how can people really be surprised when things like 14 year old girls getting pregnant happens? Telling someone that something is bad and thus they shouldn't do it, doesn't do a damn thing, except ensure that not only will they do it (because of the whole sense of rebellion), but also will not know exactly what the hell they're getting into or how to handle it. Which is a big problem.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Indeed.This post, and the one by Ush, are the only good ones in this topic so far.
Yes, people were married at 15,14, and even 12 in olden days.
Yes, we are meant to have sex at a younger age than what modern society has limited us too. (if you were to count being educated, established, and financially secure as qualifications for finding a wife and getting the privilege of sex with her among other things.)
However, those aren't what we look for in order to have sex now days.
It's usually, Is she/he hot?
and Wanna do it?
But truth be told, abstinence, will do NOTHING to hurt you physically, or psychologicaly.
You wont' spontaneously combust with semen (for the guys) if you don't get laid by age 25.
You won't turn into some sort of sex craved pervert either.
It is in fact very sensible to wait until you find somebody who you love to marry, then have sex with just them.
You save yourself for them, (and hopefully, they for you) and both of you skip the whole "how many people have you been with" "have you ever been tested for STD's" "we need protection" "I missed my period" "we may need to get an abortion" bullshit.
Your spouse won't leave you or hate you for your sexual inexperience, (not if you truly love each other).
Instead you will explore sex together, getting better and better at it.
Plus, you won't have any frame of reference, no doubts or guilt about past lovers getttin in the way.As for the nonsense about abstinent people being losers who can't get laid,...
I present Emily and Tony, 2 good friends of my wife and I.
He's a funny, sports-loving guy, and she's a cutie with a great personality.
BOTH of these "losers" were virgins at marriage, she 23 and he 26.
If you wanna f*ck whatever's in sight go for it, but don't act like those who choose to live differently are somehow "wierd", "nerds" or "losers."
OWNED.
But I agree. Well presented argument. 🙂
What bullshit. I don't think anyone is under the impression they will actually develop blue balls if they don't have sex. The reasons for not having sex a varied, and it's easy to stand on a soap box and preach abstinence, once you've gotten married to have sex. I have friends from high school that got married to the first person they screwed, out of some sense of moral obligation...and it's absurd. But, I guess those are outward benefits of a good catholic education.
Originally posted by Eis
I think sexual abstinence the way priests practice is unhealthy and shouldn't be done.
Originally posted by Mindship
Follow your head and your heart.
Well said! The answer is neither in abstinence nor I f**king everything with two legs. But do what FEELS right, try a few things maybe… It’s ok to try new things before we make them ours.
Originally posted by Kritish
Humans are supposed to mate. Most of the people that take Abstinence pledges couldn't get any if they tried.
AH, that is not fair… I… think…
Originally posted by Lana
Well, that you know of, really.My high school had 1100 students the year I graduated (300 in my class), and there were something like...7-8 pregnant freshman. And this was at a high school that was just named second best in the state and in a rather wealthy area. It happens, and sadly, it's quite common.
I think the problem with abstinence is that in most schools in the US, that's all sex-ed covers -- sex is bad so don't do it. If there isn't sufficient education, then how can people really be surprised when things like 14 year old girls getting pregnant happens? Telling someone that something is bad and thus they shouldn't do it, doesn't do a damn thing, except ensure that not only will they do it (because of the whole sense of rebellion), but also will not know exactly what the hell they're getting into or how to handle it. Which is a big problem.
I go to a school about the same size as yours, in the state's top 10, and in a rather "middle-classy" area. Weird huh?
Originally posted by ThePrincessBee
i remember being in high school, and seeing at least 2 pregnant girls per semester. The teachers would actually embarrass them in front of class, hoping that the rest of us would learn something from it.
Oh, that’ll most certainly help the unfortunate girls in question. I sure hope the teachers here weren’t among the ones being lack on sex-ed.
What a stupid thing todo. Thos two girls need help... Not harrashment... Geeeh!
Somebody in that class should have Stepped up to the plate with this one, because we don't need all the pregnant chicks fighting over the checkout positions of the only 4 pharmacies in town: