Originally posted by Bardock42Wrong. That's not it at all. So what if we are stronger than some animals, what has that got to do with animal testing & being stronger doesn't mean being the best you know, you should know that...
But you can not really be 100% sure in most cases. And you want to torture humans, why? That doesn't make you any better than those people.Basically all of it.
Lets look at that objhectively.
Humans stronger than most animals.
Humans like humans (selfish reasons but whatever)
Humans like shampoo
Shampoo needs to be tested
Better test shampoo on animals.
I like shampoo too, but I use the right sort on my hair.
Originally posted by Blue Dragon
Wrong. That's not it at all. So what if we are stronger than some animals, what has that got to do with animal testing & being stronger doesn't mean being the best you know, you should know that...I like shampoo too, but I use the right sort on my hair.
I didn't say we are better, I don't believe that. We are stronger so, we can do with them what we want. I am against cruel animal testing, and or cruel slaughtering and holding of animals.
But when it is necessary to test products I think animals are the best solution. Criminals are subject to laws, and they don't stop having human rights just because they committed a crime. What would make us different from them if we just start testing them against their will?
Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.
the whole reason animals were put on this earth is to support human beings, we eat them, test them to further our medical knowledge and cure sicjness. if it werent for animal testing we wouldnt have alot of the modern medicine we have today and we'd live until the age of 30.
That's nonsense. Animals are not much different to us at all. They weren't put on here, they came just like us, just that at the moment we are more powerful. It's not their duty to be food and our subjects.
I agree that animal testing did much good for us, and that it its therefore important and acceptable, but you make animals out to be worse than us in any way, the aren't.
Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.
they are not evil creatures no, but me being a religious person, i believe that things are put on this earth for a reason, animals being nutrients and energy for us to survive. if we lived off of plants and nuts and berries our whole life we'd only live until 30 years old.
Well, so you only base that on the bible?
Also, that's not true, vegetarians can live just as long and longer than us. Do you also believe women were put on earth to be subject to men?
What about Elephants and Lions and Dogs, what is their picture in that? We don't really eat them, do we?
no, woman were not put here for that. the bible states that all men are created equal (the assumption that the term 'man' in the bible is only reffering to males is false, it refers to all humans.) it does not say 'all beings are created equal" people often mistake the old testiment of the bible saying that it oppresses women, it certainly does not, only when you look at the verses taken out of cantext or when they are just plain misinterpreted. i believe that we need to RESPECT animals in some ways like not torturing them and such, but i certainly dont qualify doing tests on lab mice a form of torture. why bite the hand that feeds us?
Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.
no, woman were not put here for that. the bible states that all men are created equal (the assumption that the term 'man' in the bible is only reffering to males is false, it refers to all humans.) it does not say 'all beings are created equal" people often mistake the old testiment of the bible saying that it oppresses women, it certainly does not, only when you look at the verses taken out of cantext or when they are just plain misinterpreted. i believe that we need to RESPECT animals in some ways like not torturing them and such, but i certainly dont qualify doing tests on lab mice a form of torture. why bite the hand that feeds us?
Gimme the interpretation of this that doesn't say than men rule over women:
"To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you." "
it wasnt just EVE who paid the price. adam had to work the rest of his life and endure stuggle and hardship to support his family. therefore they are equal, they are not inferior its the role for them, of society and christianity. the husband breaks his back supporting the family while the wife stays at home and works the family. it doesnt say they are enslaved in any means. in no way does that state that they are inferior.
The foundation for the partnership of women and men in God's creation appears in the opening chapter of Genesis. Two perspectives are fundamental:
1. Human beings are created in God's own image ("Let us make humankind in our own image, according to our likeness...So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them,"
Genesis 1:26-27 NRSV.) Creation in God's image includes identity as male or female. Sexuality is recognized. Neither male headship nor female submission is suggested.
Both the man and the woman are charged with responsibility for all of God's creation (Genesis 1:26, 28 TEV). Together, without distinction, the first couple was assigned responsibility to manage the earth as partners in stewardship.
When the creation story is told again in Genesis 2, the equal partnership of man and woman appears again. ("bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh," Genesis 2:23) and his helping partner in serving God (2:18).
Some people believe that animals are here for eating, but as Bardock says, lions & elephants aren't those animals. I think that because of all the stone age & years ago when there weren't any shops, people just relyed on something else so then an animal comes along & think this'll so fine.
Since then, some people believe that we have to eat meat to survive, not true. I'm vegetarian & you know what, I feeling dandy! Nice food to eat, with no meat or gelatene etc. I am also a person, & my mum, who only eat free range eggs. Maybe they're not, but we think because they've been laid natrually, they might be healthier but the main reason is because we don't like the way chickens are treated.
Originally posted by Blue Dragon
Some people believe that animals are here for eating, but as Bardock says, lions & elephants aren't those animals. I think that because of all the stone age & years ago when there weren't any shops, people just relyed on something else so then an animal comes along & think this'll so fine.Since then, some people believe that we have to eat meat to survive, not true. I'm vegetarian & you know what, I feeling dandy! Nice food to eat, with no meat or gelatene etc. I am also a person, & my mum, who only eat free range eggs. Maybe they're not, but we think because they've been laid natrually, they might be healthier but the main reason is because we don't like the way chickens are treated.
Yeah, well I buy eggs of mass chicken farms cause they are cheaper.
Do you eat fish or something?
The "Im a vegetarian/vegan because I want to save the animals" argument is weak. If you become vegan because you just dont want/cant eat meat, fine, but you becoming vegan isn't going to stop others from eating the meat that you're giving up. Like me. There are already laws in place to prevent unnecessary cruelty on farms, it's illegal. When the gov. catches these farmers they go to jail. Stop whining.
Also, if you're agains't testing on animals, stop taking medication. Because that's how we find out if they are safe to use on people.
Originally posted by The Pict
many companies fund research into alternatives though, so its surely not the only way we can find out if products are safe for humans to use.
As much as you would like to think that a PC software will mimick the state of a human it still wouldnt be as accurate as testing it on a live creature.