Was Mace's Posse Supposed to Look Stupid?

you honestly convinced yourself that kit put up a good fight?

I think he put up more than a good fight.

I hate Medvock so much... Fisto sucked and died with the rest of 'em, shut up.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
If you listen to the commentary on the ROTS dvd, Lucas says that it seems stupid for them to get caught in such a simple trap (ray shileds), but if you look at the whole picture, while they saved Palpatine, they still wanted to capture Grievous.

They got to him in the easiest way, being "captured".

The whole bit with R2 zapping the droids so Obi could grab his saber was planned by the Jedi.

As for the Jedi SWAT team,.....

They just sucked.

Originally posted by PVS
no, they did NOT get captured on purpose, or why else would we have seen obiwans "wtf???" moment. he couldnt understand why they we being so stupid, and openly questioned it.

also remember yoda sitting across from palpatine in ep 2. "the dark side clouds EVERYTHING"

obviously the sith have some form of mind manipulation on the jedi.
now, i didnt say control, i said manipulation (for any knee-jerk responders) the blatant clues are all there.

*ahem*

Direct quote of George Lucas on the Episode III dvd commentary track:

"I like the idea of doing a rayshield, and I like the idea of these guys falling into a very..simple trap, that you think is a trap, but then later on you realize that they wanna get Palpatine, but they also want to get rid of Grievous, and this is sort of the fastest way to get there."

Would you like your humble pie whole or in pieces? 😖mart:

Well the reason mace brought these guys to help him were since all the other good jedi were gone fighting wars and these three guys were the best left besides anakin but mace didnt trust anakin.

Originally posted by sithsaber408

"I like the idea of doing a rayshield, and I like the idea of these guys falling into a very..simple trap, that you think is a trap, but then later on you realize that they wanna get Palpatine, but they also want to get rid of Grievous, and this is sort of the fastest way to get there."

thats great, but he doesnt say that they got caught on purpose. all he says is that it was convenient that they got caught. the dialogue speaks quite the opposite, but i guess you've been watching it on mute all this time.

anakin: ray shields

obiwan: wait a minute....were smarter than this!!!

so ill decline on that humble pie, and offer you a icy cold glass of stfu 🍺

yes.

that was a sweet comeback.

Saesee Tiin was a Jedi Master, despite the fact that he never took a padawan learner. That has to count for something. Alright, so people may say that Coleman Trebor was also a Jedi Master, but he was 1). caught by suprise by Jango 2). he used Niman, an ineffective form. Discribed as a "formidable warrior", and that scene in ROTS doesnt count for crap. Do you really think that anyone would move so slowly? Duh no. It seemed to be slowed down, and according (once again) to the Star Wars Databank, Palpatine was imbued with the power of the Force, which pretty much propelled him forward and quickly. In the ROTS novelization, he was distracted. End of Saesee for the moment. 😐

Agen Kolar defeated Quinlan Vos. Does that mean that Quinlan Vos was also a dumbass fighter? End of Kolar for the moment. 😐

Kit Fisto. End for the moment. 😐

Why would Mace Windu have such crummy Jedi accompany him if he didn't think they were capable? He would have seen the possibility of failure, and could have left the Jedi Masters behind in the last defense of the Temple. No, he didn't, because he thought that they could defeat Palpatine.
I'm sleepy so I won't elaborate

have you stopped to consider that perhaps palpatine is so powerful at manipulation that only mace or yoda could have kept up with him?
notice how yoda is convinced that kenobi could not defeat palpatine...
does that mean that mean that kenobi sucks too? of coarse no.

all i know is that there were 4. palps cut through 3 like butter,
and then got his ass royally handed to him. it just tells me that
mace was superior by leaps and bounds.

i think the scene means everything, because in that scene 3 jedi died in the blink of an eye. for whatever the reason, GL knew that he was making a scene about 3 jedi who get owned. he knew this. he consciously knew that he was making them look like they could not even TOUCH palpatine, and it came off accurate.

forgot to add:

Originally posted by PVS
have you stopped to consider that perhaps palpatine is so powerful at manipulation that only mace or yoda could have kept up with him?
notice how yoda is convinced that kenobi could not defeat palpatine...
does that mean that mean that kenobi sucks too? of coarse no.

all i know is that there were 4. palps cut through 3 like butter,
and then got his ass royally handed to him. it just tells me that
mace was superior by leaps and bounds.

i think the scene means everything, because in that scene 3 jedi died in the blink of an eye. for whatever the reason, GL knew that he was making a scene about 3 jedi who get owned. he knew this. he consciously knew that he was making them look like they could not even TOUCH palpatine, and it came off accurate.

Oh 😐

I still like my theory 😛

Originally posted by PVS
you know....when they put palpatine under arrest.
they went down like idiots...and this always annoyed me
since they are supposed to be among the best as far as jedi go.

but then i remember the scene where anakin, obiwan, and palpatine
are caught in the ray shields and obiwan gets confused and asks
why the hell they were being so stupid. "wait a minute...we're smarter than this!"

so, was that why they were so shitty?
was palpatine draining their wit through the dark side?

discuss

yes coarse.

Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.
yes.

that was a sweet comeback.

Umm... no. Not really.

Originally posted by PVS
thats great, but he doesnt say that they got caught on purpose. all he says is that it was convenient that they got caught. the dialogue speaks quite the opposite, but i guess you've been watching it on mute all this time.

anakin: ray shields

obiwan: wait a minute....were smarter than this!!!

so ill decline on that humble pie, and offer you a icy cold glass of stfu 🍺

So, did you read what I posted, or just take what you wanted from it.

Lucas is quite plain:

"I like the idea of doing ray shields. I like the idea of these guys falling into a very simple trap, that you think is a trap, but then later on you realize that they wanna get palpatine, but they also wanna get rid of Grievous, and this is sort of the fastest way of getting there"

So, for you, what did you THINK: The Jedi walked into a ray shield trap, that was very simple, and Obi was surprised about it.

Later you REALIZE:????

Well according to GL, you ought to have realized that the ray shields weren't a trap.

They went down there on purpose, to get to Grievous (while towing Palps) in the fastest way, and they KNEW that going down that hall would activate the ray shields.

Just as Obi and Qui-gon KNEW that Padme was the Queen all along they said nothing and played along, Obi and Ani were playing along to Palps, so that he wouldn't know that they were jepordizing his safety to try to catch Grievous, when by all rights they should have just left.

Obi's WTF moment is acting.

Seriously, listen to the commentary, listen to GL's Exact Words and tone of voice, and then, and only then, tell me that the ray shields weren't on purpose.

Well, tell GL really.

Or, like you told a poster in another thread:

"i'm sorry, i dont have time to read all this, and its a shame, because
im sure you would have succeeded in convincing me that george lucas
is wrong about the plot he made up and described in detail.
thank god we have fanboys!"

😖mart:

So, did you read what lucan said or just take what you wanted from it.

"I like the idea of doing ray shields. I like the idea of these guys falling into a very simple trap, that you think is a trap, but then later on you realize that they wanna get palpatine, but they also wanna get rid of Grievous, and this is sort of the fastest way of getting there"

nothing in that says that they were captured on purpose. he only says that it turns out to be very convenient. you're just grasping for straws and ignoring the obvious (dialogue of the film) to suit your little theory that is quite obviously wrong. obiwan and anakin clearly did not want to be captured when the ray shields appeared. its quite pathetic to dodge that.

so parrot that quote all you wish, because it means nothing.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Or, like you told a poster in another thread:

"i'm sorry, i dont have time to read all this, and its a shame, because
im sure you would have succeeded in convincing me that george lucas
is wrong about the plot he made up and described in detail.
thank god we have fanboys!"

😖mart:

Originally posted by PVS
nothing in that says that they were captured on purpose. he only says that it turns out to be very convenient. you're just grasping for straws and ignoring the obvious (dialogue of the film) to suit your little theory that is quite obviously wrong. obiwan and anakin clearly did not want to be captured when the ray shields appeared. its quite pathetic to dodge that.

I like the idea of doing ray shields. I like the idea of these guys falling into a very simple trap, that you think is a trap, but then later on you realize that they wanna get palpatine, but they also wanna get rid of Grievous, and this is sort of the fastest way of getting there

Please, you're so good at just hailing Lucas, you shoul have not porblem absorbing his words, which are inexorable clear here from your perspective.

You argue in one thread, that whatever Lucas says is unbreakable dogma, even when it reffers to abstact concepts. YOu argue here, that you opinion is superior to Lucas' (which you've made clear is impossible, iyo). Pick a side and stick with it.

Originally posted by Alliance
😆So, did you read what Lucas said or just take what you wanted from it.

I [b]like the idea of doing ray shields. I like the idea of these guys falling into a very simple trap, that you think is a trap, but then later on you realize that they wanna get palpatine, but they also wanna get rid of Grievous, and this is sort of the fastest way of getting there

Please, you're so good at just hailing Lucas, you shoul have not porblem absorbing his words, which are inexorable clear here from your perspective.

You argue in one thread, that whatever Lucas says is unbreakable dogma, even when it reffers to abstact concepts. YOu argue here, that you opinion is superior to Lucas' (which you've made clear is impossible, iyo). Pick a side and stick with it. [/B]

i love how you boldface words in an attempt to change exactly what he said, which (paraphrased) is simply: you/we the audience see anakin captured by the sith and you/we the audience later realise that it was the best thing that could have happened"

you're just twisting his words to fit your contradiction of dialogue and its pretty lame. nothing in that quote says that anakin or kenobi expected or wanted to get caught, and the dialogue speaks the opposite obvious to the point of painful.

clue: the word "YOU" (audience) instead of THEY(characters). simple english. understand it, comprehend it, and realise that you're being ridiculously obtuse.

try actually reading the words you've been parroting. not for what you want it to mean, but for what it DOES mean.

um....have to agree with PVS. And since the commentary was provided, it pretty much rests the case.

The commentary was directed at the audience. "YOU" means us, not Anakin or Obiwan.

Why would Obiwan act surprised when they got caught? There was nobody around to feint capture to...it was just Anakin and Obiwan and Palpatine. All this scene + the commentary concludes is that they got caught, but then WE realized afterwards "wait a min, this might have been a good thing afterall..." but it was never their intention to walk into a trap.

You guys need to eat your Wheaties in the morning.

Then, go listen to the commentary, and take it in.

He says, " you THINK its a trap, you REALIZE it isn't".

Pretty cut and dried.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You guys need to eat your Wheaties in the morning.

Then, go listen to the commentary, and take it in.

He says, " you THINK its a trap, you REALIZE it isn't".

Pretty cut and dried.

😄

^wait u just changed the quote..... 😐

Please explain how? 😕