oh god, george was fukin talking about the Storyline in reference to "fastest way of getting there."
so was frickin obi wan being sarcastic during the wtf moment? you gotta give ewan more credit as an actor than that. they counted on R2 to come and release them, they never said that they counted on finding grevious by way of the ray shields. they were waiting on R2, not the gaurds bringing them to the bridge.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You guys need to eat your Wheaties in the morning.Then, go listen to the commentary, and take it in.
He says, " you THINK its a trap, you REALIZE it isn't".
Pretty cut and dried.
"SQUAWK!!! sithsaber wanna cracker SQUAWK!!!!"
key word= YOU/the audience. you can make "think" and "realize"
into giant 5000point letters and you're still blowing out horseshit...
just bigger chunks of it for all to see.
repeat a lie over and over again and it becomes the truth?
i feel like im in the GDF 😖
Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.
oh god, george was fukin talking about the Storyline in reference to "fastest way of getting there."
PVS. get this straight.
1. YOU THE AUDIENCE THINKS ITS A TRAP. Ok?
2. THEN YOU, THE AUDIENCE, REALIZES IT ISNT. Why?
3. because falling into the trap was merely the fastest way to get to Grievous.
There's NO complexity to his statement. Lucas did not inted for the jedi to fall unintentionally into a trap. Whether you agree with his logic or his filming of it, thats a different story.
Get it? 😉
Originally posted by Alliance
PVS. get this straight.1. YOU THE AUDIENCE THINKS ITS A TRAP. Ok?
agreed...because it IS a trap
Originally posted by Alliance
2. THEN YOU, THE AUDIENCE, REALIZES IT ISNT.
disagreed and this is where your logic is half assed and delusional.
we dont realise it wasnt a trap. he said that the audience
realises that it was the quickest way to get there. ITS STILL A FRIKIN TRAP-and he says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to contradict that.
its a sad and weak tactic to twist his words.
this is just frikin idiotic and im not explaining this again.
if this is the finest in star wars debates here, then this forum is done
as far as i'm concerned.
Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.
oh god, george was fukin talking about the Storyline in reference to "fastest way of getting there."so was frickin obi wan being sarcastic during the wtf moment? you gotta give ewan more credit as an actor than that. they counted on R2 to come and release them, they never said that they counted on finding grevious by way of the ray shields. they were waiting on R2, not the gaurds bringing them to the bridge.
yes, you would think people would remember his dialogue with Anakin about having "patience" and waiting for R2 to get them out of it. Too bad the next scene we see is R2 flying out after being kicked by those droids.
Are you trying to say they were acting sarcastic that entire time??? 😱
It was just CONVENIENT that they ended up right next to Grievous. god, this is so off-topic
Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.
oh god, george was fukin talking about the Storyline in reference to "fastest way of getting there."so was frickin obi wan being sarcastic during the wtf moment? you gotta give ewan more credit as an actor than that. they counted on R2 to come and release them, they never said that they counted on finding grevious by way of the ray shields. they were waiting on R2, not the gaurds bringing them to the bridge.
Ewan does what George tells him to do, don't drag any feelings of Mcgregor love into this.
Yes, they were waiting for R2, so he could zap the droids WHEN THEY MET GREIVOUS.
Of course they would not say that they were waiting on the ray shields, that would tell Palps they cared less about his safety than about catching Greivous.
Originally posted by PVS
"SQUAWK!!! sithsaber wanna cracker SQUAWK!!!!"key word= YOU/the audience. you can make "think" and "realize"
into giant 5000point letters and you're still blowing out horseshit...
just bigger chunks of it for all to see.repeat a lie over and over again and it becomes the truth?
i feel like im in the GDF 😖amazing the lack of common sense, isnt it?
its obvious to anyone with at least 2 brain cells to rub together,
however some 'unique snowflakes' insist on contradicting it. the quote is cut and dry, refers to the audience's pov and nothing of the characters, and for some reason its just far above the heads of some. then they go on to copy and paste the same quote and enlarge meaningless words while ignoring the key word which proves them dead wrong. this forum has gone to shit. its like a jerry's kids convention...but with nonsensical fanboys.
You're the one contributing to the nonsensical flogging of a dead horse here, turing the debate into shit.
You say that I focus on only 2 or 3 words in what GL said, whilst you only focus on ONE: the word "you."
Okay, bud lets do that....
"I like the idea of doing ray shields. I like the idea of these guys falling into a very simple trap, that you think is a trap, but then later on you realize that they wanna get palpatine, but they also wanna get rid of Grievous, and this is sort of the fastest way of getting there"
So George is talking to "YOU", meaning the audience, meaning you and I, right?
He says that WE (not obi and ani, according to you) think this is a trap, but later on WE realize that the mission on the Invisible Hand is about Palpatine, but that they don't want to leave without Grievous.
With me so far?
Then George says that THIS (being the "trap" of the ray shields) is the fastest way to get there.
So,....
He tells YOU (the audience) that it isn't what you think,
He tells YOU (the audience) that we should realize that capturing Greivous is just as important to Obi and Ani as saving Palpatine, so they're gonna go after him, and getting "stuck" in the ray shield is the fastest way of getting there...
(I'm also assuming safest, as they would have had to fight through several levels of droids and/or Magnaguards to reach him, WHILE also keeping Palps from getting shot)
so then you take from GL's statement.....
It was still a trap. They looked surprised. Obi went WTF.
Seems its YOU TWO who are taking the quote the wrong way, even by your own defintion.
He wanted YOU (the audience) to know that while you THINK its a trap, you REALIZE they want to get grevious, and the ray shields are faster and an easier way to get there,
But.....
It was still a trap. Obi went WTF.
I know, maybe Palps WAS using the darkside like saturday morning Sith cartoons to make them dumber.
Maybe thats why the were "caught" in the ray shields.
Maybe thats why the Jedi with Mace looked stupid.
Or maybe, that scene was orginally designed to have only close ups of Ian Mcdiarmid, with lots of digital head replacement on the sword double, and GL changed it on the day of shooting to show more of Ian's face.
(you can learn alot if you acutally PAY ATTENTION to what a dvd tells you.)
So that scene was to show Palps unleashing the darkside, which he had pent up for many years, to showcase his fury and speed, and show that by him WTFpwning 3 Jedi masters in about 3 seconds.
That is what happened there, it just doesn't come off right because of the way it's shot and the editing.
Just as this retarded thread is based off of one line "We're smarter than this." and doesn't come off right either.
Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.
omg over-post of the century. ^
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Originally posted by PVS
yeah, just a whole lot of nothing said, really.
maybe if he triples the length of that post he can
convince everyone that the sky is green and the grass is blue.
The sound of defeat is rising.
I take it niether of you has even bothered to watch the scene with the commentary on either, have you?
yes i saw it and you quoted on the money
but then again i never once implied that you misquoted 😬
Originally posted by sithsaber408
"I like the idea of doing a rayshield,
Originally posted by sithsaber408
and I like the idea of these guys falling into a very..simple trap,
Originally posted by sithsaber408
that you think is a trap,
Originally posted by sithsaber408
but then later on you realize that they wanna get Palpatine,
Originally posted by sithsaber408
but they also want to get rid of Grievous,
and this is sort of the fastest way to get there."
it is very convenient because they are brought to grievous. at no point did lucas imply willful capture.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
but then later on you realize that they wanna get Palpatine...
...and thats where you lose your battle. even IF lucas was referring to the characters by "you", (which he totally wasnt) then it would still be a poor deduction. then the meaning would be that they later find out it was the quickest way to get there. not when they were captured or even before they were captured, but after.
goodnight
god this would be so much more clear if Lucas had actually said,
"I like the idea of doing ray shields. I like the idea of these guys falling into a very simple trap on purpose, because you think is a trap, but then later on you realize that they wanna get palpatine, but they also wanna get rid of Grievous, and this is sort of the fastest way of getting there" 😉
I simply have a hard time believing that they planned ALL ALONG to get captured so R2 can go ballistic on Grievous's guards.
Originally posted by SpyCspider
god this would be so much more clear if Lucas had actually said,"I like the idea of doing ray shields. I like the idea of these guys falling into a very simple trap [b]on purpose, because
you think is a trap, but then later on you realize that they wanna get palpatine, but they also wanna get rid of Grievous, and this is sort of the fastest way of getting there" 😉 [/B]
thats certainly what they dream of. if only many many posts on this thread could somehow warp our reality and alter the basic spoken rules of first-person and second-person. damn that pesky little hurdle. but he'll keep trying and you have to pity admire that.
i find it very difficult to believe that the connection i made was digging deep into anything. the whole saga revolves around that point.
the point is palpatine is a puppet master so powerful he made puppets of jedi. people debating his strength in a duel are wasting time, because his real strength is that he can get inside any jedi's head...except for mace and yoda when the cat was out of the bag....but they were puppets as well, they just were able to focus once they knew palpatine was the enemy.
even obiwan/anakin fell victim, how ever they were fortunate.
since it is fortunate how can anyone still refer to the ray shields as a trap? they ended up being escorted to the bridge and to GG. in retrospect then, it wasnt really a trap at all...as lucas said.
then the dialogue. "we're smarter than this!?!?!?" is carefully and artfully dodged by those who wish to offer an alternative star wars. where the force is a big scale, with jedi and sith as weights, and where obiwan and anakin like to pretend they were caught by accident on a rescue mission, to fool palpatine...beause they find it funny and so they can hear him say 'D'OH those little whipper snappers!!! damn kids!!!'
Originally posted by Darth Orcus
I really can't believe I spent precious seconds reading this turgid, immature squabble. What a load of pretentious bollocks. Just watch it; enjoy it and; forget it.
its so inspiring when the "above it all" member comes in to let us all know how above it all they really are...it really makes me want to be a better person...yet for some reason they're always just low enough to post in such a turgid and immature thread. 😕