Was Mace's Posse Supposed to Look Stupid?

Originally posted by PVS
you honestly convinced yourself that kit put up a good fight?

No. Palpatine was simply better than the three who came with Mace, not that he was clouding their thoughts.

Though I agree. McDiarmid is a crappy swordsman. His fight with Sam Jackson was so slow (on both parts)

Originally posted by PVS
i love how you boldface words in an attempt to change exactly what he said, which (paraphrased) is simply: you/we the audience see anakin captured by the sith and you/we the audience later realise that it was the best thing that could have happened"

you're just twisting his words to fit your contradiction of dialogue and its pretty lame. nothing in that quote says that anakin or kenobi expected or wanted to get caught, and the dialogue speaks the opposite obvious to the point of painful.

clue: the word "YOU" (audience) instead of THEY(characters). simple english. understand it, comprehend it, and realise that you're being ridiculously obtuse.

Actually, I listened to it again recently, and if you listen to his tone of voice, he is indeed talking about ani and obi.

"I like the idea of doing ray shields. I like the idea of these guys falling into a very simple trap, that you think is a trap, but then later on you realize that they wanna get palpatine, but they also wanna get rid of Grievous, and this is sort of the fastest way of getting there"

He IS talking about the audience when he says: "You think its a trap" and when he says "you realize", but its the CHARACTERS that want to get Grievous and do so as quickly as possible.

Plus, as a side note, GL in the commetaries is very plain about filling plot holes if thats what happened. In ANH: "We got the Millenium Falcon in the death star, but needed to get it out in a hurry, so we just had them back out and turn around." Or in ROTJ: "Originally when we got to this point in the script, it was about Luke, Vader, and the Emporer, and also about a primitive society defeating a technilogical society. Which was meant to be the Wookies. I added all the stuff about Jabba and going back to Tatooine for the first quarter of the movie"..... and so on and so forth.

There are many more instances of this in his commentaries, which I could find and post if you like.

It just interesting to me that he didn't say: "Now that we'd had Anakin and Obi-wan rescue the Chancellor, I still wanted some action with Greivous, as sort of a set-up for the Obi-wan fight later, but I didn't want to have a long sequence of them fighting through droids or traps or anything, becuase with Palpatine needing protecting it wouldn't be as believeable, and would take too long. So I came up with this little idea of the ray shields, as a fast way to get them to Greivous.... and also to prove PVS point that I had Palpatine literally dumbing down the Jedi in these films."

But he didn't say that did he?

No, he said:

"I like the idea of doing ray shields. I like the idea of these guys falling into a very simple trap, that you think is a trap, but then later on you realize that they wanna get palpatine, but they also wanna get rid of Grievous, and this is sort of the fastest way of getting there"

thats sure a whole lot of typing for nothing new said.
please stop wasting my time trying to twist george lucas'
words from what they said to what you want them to say.
its getting old.

as i said, and i will say again and again, george only implied that
the characters benefitted from being captured, so we think its a trap
but really the battle droids are helping them achieve their goal. he
doesnt say that they were captured on purpose. but keep repeating
his quote and maybe the meaning will change 😬

really, if you have nothing new to add, and have no evidence whatsoever
to support your misinformed claim, then leave it alone. your continued
rambling only further exhibits your desperation.

I like the idea of doing ray shields.

😂 😆 😂 ...this really is begging for the question

who is ray shields?

and a quick google images search reveals

😘

I think Mace's posse were not meant to look stupid. I reckon Lucas just made a very bad attempt in showing how powerful Palps was is all.
What it seems was meant to happen - and did was:
Mace an upper level jedi with very high ranking swordsmanship and 3 moderate level jedi who were experienced prepare themselves for Palp's move though they are still unsure he is who Ani said he is
Palps when he sees who he is up against knows he needs to strike down the 3 moderate jedi and then fight Mace for whatever purpose [I'm not getting into who won between the two as this thread doesn't concern that]
Palps launches himself in a lightning fast flurry while unleashing a dark side powered snarl to cloud the already slightly confused moderate jedi and immediately cut them down before they had time to blink - the speed of light basically and then finish Mace off last who in that one second is now prepared to fight!
Now this could have been pulled off well only Ian McDiarmid is not really built for such effects but that bit didn't matter [he did do a great job in the duel considering his reluctance]. The main mistake was him pulling that stance where he pulls back his lightsaber. He should have just cut them down from the moment he landed in front of them. And it should have been just fast enough so that it actually looked convincing how fast Palps was.
Thats what I grasped after watching it a few times.
A doubt the age group it was aimed at really minded. I'd imagine they were more annoyed by the shortness of the duel itself

The 3 moderate jedi were not stupid to come imo as they were going to die anyway during the purge. So it was just the bad choreography of fight that made them look stupid - and I think it did. But it could be either way for Mace. He, Palps and Ani and their choices and decisions make the question of whether Mace was stupid to come a difficult one indeed. And I don't think he looked stupid - he was seeing what he was up against.

The first kill was the most stupid one, i mean that jedi saw Palpatine preparing himself for a thrust in the chest, yet he stood there like a statue!

You guys are both getting worked up for no reason. The fact of the matter is both theories about the ray sheild "trap" are plausible and even possible. GL has always been cryptic about his movies and this is no different here in this statement. Honestly, you could argue this to death but there is too much room for interpretation, so interpret how you want and enjoy the movies for what they are, movies. Creating an entire universe could not possibley be an easy task and there are bound to be inconsistencies inherently throughout the project. (look at the Platypus or the Yugo for instance.) Suspension of disbelief this stuff is made up entirely from the minds of GL and co., none of it is fact.

GL didn't create a universe, only a galaxy, and I thinks that's why we're a little ticked that he skimped on so many obvious things.

I wouldn't call this particular subject an obvious detail. It has subtlties to it that make it very open for the viewer to interpret as he sees fit including GL's statement regarding the scene. Enjoy the movies.

Hey PVS, did you ever find out about Palps' face? I've been gone for awhile and didnt know if if it was ever cleared up officially. But just in case, i read this in the databank:

The Jedi eventually discovered Palpatine's Sith leanings and confronted the Chancellor. Sidious lashed out with blinding speed, brandishing a previously hidden lightsaber blade in a sudden strike that killed all of the Jedi Masters Mace Windu had assembled to arrest the Chancellor. With Anakin Skywalker's help, Sidious was able to defeat Mace, though he was severely scarred by the reflected power of his dark side lightning. To conceal his disfigured visage, Sidious returned to his simple Sith robes.

that also tells us that Mace had him beat by himself, since he needed "anakin's help"...

if you all already knew this...feel free to flame 🙂

i think it was settled that he was deformed by the lightning.

ok...like i said i didnt know if everyone agreed finally or if someone else found that passage, just thought i'd mention it just in case, ya know...

Originally posted by PVS
i think it was settled that he was deformed by the lightning.

Old men are particularly succeptible to force lightning. They tend to melt.

Like green women do with water.

Oh Elphaba.

or william shatner

Originally posted by Alliance
Oh Elphaba.

Aha.... a fellow Wicked-fan.

You cant deny good art.