Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet when he grew large and drew on the power of Asgard like in his fight with seth.. he got one shot by Doom with Galactus's power... That tells you how far Galactus is above even this Giant sized out for the kill Odin.
Kurupt trust me when I say, no one hates the crap that Marvel tries to ram down our throat regarding Odin and Thor than I do. Having said that, when Reed was briefing the crew, he said "If all Doom acquired was Galactus' power, we'd have a chance". Doom had more than just Galactus' energies he had some Rod and a few more artifacts.
Reed believed that Odin and crew would have a chance vs Doom with only Galactus' might.
Originally posted by zopzopAll those artifacts were irrelevant because he wasn't using them, nor would they matter.
Kurupt trust me when I say, no one hates the crap that Marvel tries to ram down our throat regarding Odin and Thor than I do. Having said that, when Reed was briefing the crew, he said "If all Doom acquired was Galactus' power, we'd have a chance". Doom had more than just Galactus' energies he had some Rod and a few more artifacts.Reed believed that Odin and crew would have a chance vs Doom with only Galactus' might.
However, he did have the Cosmic Cube in his armor that he apparently didn't notice when it was knocked out. So it seems reasonable to assume he wasn't using it. But he most definately had it on him. So ya, it's hazy.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
All those artifacts were irrelevant because he wasn't using them, nor would they matter.However, he did have the Cosmic Cube in his armor that he apparently didn't notice when it was knocked out. So it seems reasonable to assume he wasn't using it. But he most definately had it on him. So ya, it's hazy.
The cosmic cube itself is also given Doom's statement largely irrelevant to what Doom accomplished. Reed said "if only that" adding that more power was indeed in play but Galactus power was more then enough, as Reed makes clear in his last sentence it's Doom arquering Galactus power that gives him absolute power.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIt was doom with galactus's power plus a cube however Even the Odin destory which stood up to the fourth host could take maybe a win or 2 depending but either way 100% tryrant should take the majority over 2 skyfathers
Yet when he grew large and drew on the power of Asgard like in his fight with seth.. he got one shot by Doom with Galactus's power... That tells you how far Galactus is above even this Giant sized out for the kill Odin.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Ummm....how is this not spite?Abstract vs. skyfathers...
Oh it's spite alright, but not the way you are thinking. Have you seen the feats that ONE skyfather, Odin, is capable of? Two of them together would mean serious trouble for FP Tyrant.
It all comes down to exactly where Galactus falls on the cosmic power scale (since FP Tyrant was about equal to FP Galactus). If Big G is > than a skyfather, then maybe Tyrant has a chance. If Big G is = to a skyfather, then Tyrant stands NO chance in hell vs two of them.
Originally posted by zopzopWhy isn't Galactus much greater than a skyfather ?
Oh it's spite alright, but not the way you are thinking. Have you seen the feats that ONE skyfather, Odin, is capable of? Two of them together would mean serious trouble for FP Tyrant.It all comes down to exactly where Galactus falls on the cosmic power scale (since FP Tyrant was about equal to FP Galactus). If Big G is > than a skyfather, then maybe Tyrant has a chance. If Big G is = to a skyfather, then Tyrant stands NO chance in hell vs two of them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why isn't Galactus much greater than a skyfather ?
I always ASSumed he was. But after chatting/debating people on this board, I'm not so sure anymore. Odin, let's forget Zeus for one sec, has stupendously high level feats under his belt. I'm talking feats that Eternity/Infinity/The LT/The PF/etc... haven't even done.
Originally posted by zopzopGalactus is portrayed as much more powerful than Odin has though that's why going by feats and feats alone is foolhardy.
I always ASSumed he was. But after chatting/debating people on this board, I'm not so sure anymore. Odin, let's forget Zeus for one sec, has stupendously high level feats under his belt. I'm talking feats that Eternity/Infinity/The LT/The PF/etc... haven't even done.
But what has Galactus done that places him in Odin's bracket feats wise?
His biggest recent feat was wiping a galaxy clean of the Annihilation Wave. Before that it was tping a galaxy to safety. That's about it.
Odin is a confirmed galaxy buster too. He's done things like tap into Infinity's power. Defeated Surtur (who CASUALLY destroyed a galaxy to create his sword). His fight with Seth shook the multiverse, rocked distant galaxies, and ignited long dead stars. On panel it was stated that all reality was in danger of "dying".
Originally posted by zopzopSo what ? We've seen Galactus easily trash earth while weakened and show that he's far above Odin level who failed to even harm a celestial with two other skyfathers there boosting their blast.
But what has Galactus done that places him in Odin's bracket feats wise?His biggest recent feat was wiping a galaxy clean of the Annihilation Wave. Before that it was tping a galaxy to safety. That's about it.
Odin is a confirmed galaxy buster too. He's done things like tap into Infinity's power. Defeated Surtur (who CASUALLY destroyed a galaxy to create his sword). His fight with Seth shook the multiverse, rocked distant galaxies, and ignited long dead stars. On panel it was stated that all reality was in danger of "dying".
Originally posted by zopzop2 skyfather should be enough to give Galactus hell even assuming he is just ate. however Galactus/tryant should win clearly.
But what has Galactus done that places him in Odin's bracket feats wise?His biggest recent feat was wiping a galaxy clean of the Annihilation Wave. Before that it was tping a galaxy to safety. That's about it.
Odin is a confirmed galaxy buster too. He's done things like tap into Infinity's power. Defeated Surtur (who CASUALLY destroyed a galaxy to create his sword). His fight with Seth shook the multiverse, rocked distant galaxies, and ignited long dead stars. On panel it was stated that all reality was in danger of "dying".
Originally posted by zopzopactually all the guys you mention have greater feats than odin
I always ASSumed he was. But after chatting/debating people on this board, I'm not so sure anymore. Odin, let's forget Zeus for one sec, has stupendously high level feats under his belt. I'm talking feats that Eternity/Infinity/The LT/The PF/etc... haven't even done.
IMHO, Full Power Tyrant should be far above Odin and Zeus...
Doesnt the pecking order go:
Street Level
Enhanced
Herald
Trans
Skyfather
Elder God
Cosmic Cube
High End Cosmic/Abstract
God Tier
Then comes TOAA
Thats the way it goes from my understanding; accordingly, Full Power Tyrant and Galactus (both of which belong in the High End Cosmic/Abstract tier) rank far above a Skyfather on the totem pole...
Even though the feats dont back this up, Full Power Tyrant should be far above Odin and Zeus...
And besides (its amazing, btw, how Quans IQ raises 150 points whenever Thanos is not the topic of discussion) you cant go strictly by feats when debating power levels; implied power is important too...
Afterall, Love and Hate (for example) lack feats...but despite that, who here doubts that Love and Hate effortlessly overwhelm Odin and Zeus?
Lastly, we cant overlook inconsistent writing when debating this; Galactus (in particular) is written down more than any other Cosmic/Abstract with the exception of Eternity...so you gotta factor that as well.
A Zeus who was only a little stronger than an average Skyfather just took down -albeit temporarily- Galactus pretty easily. I don't necessarily agree with it but just saying.....
Zop, IRCC, when Galactus stalemated Mephisto, they had a battle on a massive scale that was destroying Galaxies and the like I believe. Something worth noting. Galactus can and has operated on a galactic busting scale. Did so with Tyrant I believe.
By the way, based on what I've see from their interactions? Odin at the very least equals Mephisto in power. IRCC at one point Mephisto was bragging that in his realm, his power even equals that of Odin.
I honestly don't understand why some people have a problem with Odin and the like rivaling Galactus. It's not like Odin lacks the feats of power.
You wanna complain? Complain about Quasar blocking his eye beams, Wasp surviving his eye beams -albeit he was starving- and f*cking Hulk's son punking him and Galan taking it like a b*tch when he should have incinerated the little bastard from the get go. Turning Galactus into an addict. Lulz worthy.
Recently him being f*cking flabbergasted by Zeus' power made me facepalm. His Galactus, not the Silver Surfer. At best he should show temper but besides that he should be beyond normal emotions. His mind should even operate like other entities.
Fed Galactus > Odin that much I think is true at this point but anyone who thinks the gap is somehow extensive is someone I disagree with. I might not like Pak's writing but if his event cements that the gap between Skyfathers and Galactus level beings is tiny then I can bear it till the end.
Just my two cents on the subject. Off to studying.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So what ? We've seen Galactus easily trash earth while weakened and show that he's far above Odin level who failed to even harm a celestial with two other skyfathers there boosting their blast.
At the time Celestials were the greatest power in the Universe. At least considered by those writers. Above the previous entities. Yes, including Galactus.
Didn't really help that Thomas was toning Odin down a fair bit...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
[B]IMHO, Full Power Tyrant should be far above Odin and Zeus...Doesnt the pecking order go:
Street Level
Enhanced
Herald
Trans
Skyfather
Elder God
Cosmic Cube
High End Cosmic/Abstract
God Tier
Then comes TOAA
Let me say I agree 10000% with your list. That's how it SHOULD be, but it's not.
implied power is important too...
I'm not a fan of the "implied power" argument. If it's not on panel, it's totally up to debate. See below.
Afterall, Love and Hate (for example) lack feats...but despite that, who here doubts that Love and Hate effortlessly overwhelm Odin and Zeus?
I doubt! 🙂 And let me give you an example.
When the COMBINED might of Love/Hate/Order/Chaos/Galactus/Kronos/Stranger/Eon was unleashed upon Thanos in the Infinity Gauntlet Saga, "only" the immediate solar system and "many" nearby ones were destroyed.
Surtur, who is more or less Odin level, destroyed an entire GALAXY just to forge his sword! It's even more embarrassing to the COMBINED cosmics that he did it effortlessly and all by himself.
As pertains the IG arc and Surter destroying a Galaxy, you can sum it up two different ways:
1) Surter destroying a Galaxy was BS, bad, writing...
2) The cosmics/abstracts failing to do far more damage to the Universe was BS, bad, writing...
Its either one or the other...
IMHO, though, both cases are BS as (again in my HONEST opinion) a Skyfather level being shouldnt be capable of casually destroying a galaxy and the combined might of several high end cosmics/abstracts should have torn the universe apart...