Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why shouldn't a being on the level of Odin operate on a Galactic scale?
Again, IMHO, he is an Earth level deity; him having Galactic shaking power makes no sense to me as a result...
World shaking power? Sure...absolutely. But him having the power to destroy galaxies either directly or as a side effect of his battles is complete overkill given what he's supposed to be...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Again, IMHO, he is an Earth level deity; him having Galactic shaking power makes no sense to me as a result...World shaking power? Sure...absolutely. But him having the power to destroy galaxies either directly or as a side effect of his battles is complete overkill given what he's supposed to be...
Earth level deity? And who decided what level Odin should be limited to? You? Stan wrote him as a galactic force during the Silver Age and since then many writers have wrote him at varying levels but as we've seen even as recently as the late 90's, Odin can operate on a Galactic level if the story calls for it. The only time there was a legit depowering was during the Thomas era in my opinion.
And what exactly is Odin supposed to be in your opinion?
Keep in mind though that I am on record of believing that retcons should be handed out almost universally across the board...
Comicbooks are here to be entertaining...and that I completely agree with...but some things make absolutely no sense whatsoever; especially as pertains the power scale in the Marvel Universe....
I would atleast make that part somewhat logical if it were up to me...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Earth level deity? And who decided what level Odin should be limited to? You? Stan wrote him as a galactic force during the Silver Age and since then many writers have wrote him at varying levels but as we've seen even as recently as the late 90's, Odin can operate on a Galactic level if the story calls for it. The only time there was a legit depowering was during the Thomas era in my opinion.And what exactly is Odin supposed to be in your opinion?
Just my thoughts...
Odin is supposed to be an Earth level deity; he's never (to my knowledge atleast) been written to "watch over" and be worshipped on countless planets across the universe...
If he was written as such then I'd be behind the idea of him having Galactic destroying power...but he's never been written that way from what I've read.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusOdin isn't normally portrayed on Galactus' level and we also see a dramatic difference in power when they both fared off against Thanos.
A Zeus who was only a little stronger than an average Skyfather just took down -albeit temporarily- Galactus pretty easily. I don't necessarily agree with it but just saying.....Zop, IRCC, when Galactus stalemated Mephisto, they had a battle on a massive scale that was destroying Galaxies and the like I believe. Something worth noting. Galactus can and has operated on a galactic busting scale. Did so with Tyrant I believe.
By the way, based on what I've see from their interactions? Odin at the very least equals Mephisto in power. IRCC at one point Mephisto was bragging that in his realm, his power even equals that of Odin.
I honestly don't understand why some people have a problem with Odin and the like rivaling Galactus. It's not like Odin lacks the feats of power.
You wanna complain? Complain about Quasar blocking his eye beams, Wasp surviving his eye beams -albeit he was starving- and f*cking Hulk's son punking him and Galan taking it like a b*tch when he should have incinerated the little bastard from the get go. Turning Galactus into an addict. Lulz worthy.
Recently him being f*cking flabbergasted by Zeus' power made me facepalm. His Galactus, not the Silver Surfer. At best he should show temper but besides that he should be beyond normal emotions. His mind should even operate like other entities.
Fed Galactus > Odin that much I think is true at this point but anyone who thinks the gap is somehow extensive is someone I disagree with. I might not like Pak's writing but if his event cements that the gap between Skyfathers and Galactus level beings is tiny then I can bear it till the end.
Just my two cents on the subject. Off to studying.
At the time Celestials were the greatest power in the Universe. At least considered by those writers. Above the previous entities. Yes, including Galactus.
Didn't really help that Thomas was toning Odin down a fair bit...
We've also seen Galactus singlehandedly end the a wave whereas odin was taken prisoner by some rascally fire ants. Galactus is leaps and bounds above Odin. We saw Galactus as a peer to the Celestials, Eternity, etc. odin was with all the other bum skyfathers trapped because Thanos downed his ranbow bridge.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Earth level deity? And who decided what level Odin should be limited to? You? Stan wrote him as a galactic force during the Silver Age and since then many writers have wrote him at varying levels but as we've seen even as recently as the late 90's, Odin can operate on a Galactic level if the story calls for it. The only time there was a legit depowering was during the Thomas era in my opinion.And what exactly is Odin supposed to be in your opinion?
I know you were asking the LordofMurder this question but I can't help it 😄
IMHO it's a question of a) Age (the longer you are around the more time you have to master your powers and acquire new sources of power) and b) Sphere of Influence (number of worshipers, are of authority, etc...)
Odin is a fetus in terms of age and his sphere of influence is limited to his Nordic worshipers (compare this to Skyfathers like Vishnu).
I mean Gods like Walker are a different story. He's ancient, way older than Odin's 4000-6000 years (and I'm being generous with that number) and an ENTIRE galaxy worshiped only him. Hundreds of billions (trillions?) of worshipers spanning the length of an entire galaxy!
IMHO Skyfathers should be planet busting at their BEST.
Originally posted by zopzop
I know you were asking the LordofMurder this question but I can't help it 😄IMHO it's a question of a) Age (the longer you are around the more time you have to master your powers and acquire new sources of power) and b) Sphere of Influence (number of worshipers, are of authority, etc...)
Odin is a fetus in terms of age and his sphere of influence is limited to his Nordic worshipers (compare this to Skyfathers like Vishnu).
I mean Gods like Walker are a different story. He's ancient, way older than Odin's 4000-6000 years (and I'm being generous with that number) and an ENTIRE galaxy worshiped only him. Hundreds of billions (trillions?) of worshipers spanning the length of an entire galaxy!
IMHO Skyfathers should be planet busting at their BEST.
It's fine.
Odin has been around long enough. I don't understand why people have this hang up on worshipers. I don't recall Odin ever wanting or even being interested in worshipers. Worshipers =/= Power.
Lulz.
We've seen Thor create man and even the current landscape of Earth. Heck, it's been mentioned that Thor has lived long enough to watch worlds die and Suns explode. Odin at best is billions of years old.
The only way Odin is limited to a few thousand years -2000 to be exact- is if you go by that ridiculous Thomas era retcon where the previous gods merged Dragon Ball Z style which was promplty ignored and re-retconed by Simonson when he took over and by now it's been long forgotten.
😬 Heralds like Thor, Superman, Surfer etc. can bust planets. Limiting Skyfather's to planet busting is asinine.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Just my thoughts...Odin is supposed to be an Earth level deity; he's never (to my knowledge atleast) been written to "watch over" and be worshipped on countless planets across the universe...
If he was written as such then I'd be behind the idea of him having Galactic destroying power...but he's never been written that way from what I've read.
Worshipers =/= Power. Pretty sure Hulk's worshiped by more than one world.
What do you mean watch over? The Universe? Odin's done that plenty of times.
Well then problem solved. He has been written as such.
Good night. I'm off.
Quan, if your lucky, I might take a minute or two to reply to your post (Didn't even bother reading it)
Originally posted by zopzop
But what has Galactus done that places him in Odin's bracket feats wise?His biggest recent feat was wiping a galaxy clean of the Annihilation Wave. Before that it was tping a galaxy to safety. That's about it.
Odin is a confirmed galaxy buster too. He's done things like tap into Infinity's power. Defeated Surtur (who CASUALLY destroyed a galaxy to create his sword). His fight with Seth shook the multiverse, rocked distant galaxies, and ignited long dead stars. On panel it was stated that all reality was in danger of "dying".
You need to read up on Galactus mate, if you think teleporting a Galaxy is the best feat he had before wiping a galaxy clean.
@Rage
If it were up to me, no herald would be busting planets; in particular I would have hit Supes with the nerf bat long long ago...
I remember an issue of the Fantastic Four where Terrax (Classic Terrax) used his power over earth and rock to levitate a large piece of New York into LEO (Low Earth Orbit; if memory serves me correctly); this is a tremendous feat IMHO...
This is the type of feat I firmly believe a High Herald should be capable of when using his/her/its power to its limit...
See we have a problem with the power levels here in comics as they currently exist:
High Heralds bust planets...
Skyfathers bust galaxies...
So does this mean that Trans Tier characters should bust Solar Systems? Logic dictates that they should going with what the characters above and below them can do...
No major problem at this point though, so lets continue...
Skyfathers bust Galaxies...
Cube Beings can warp an entire universe...
So where does this place Elder Gods like Gaea and Set? Should they be busting Galactic Clusters? IMHO, they sure as hell shouldnt; going by the trend we have here they should, but lets continue as I am nearing my point...
Cube Beings can warp an entire universe...
So where does this place Abstracts and High End (Semi Abstract) Cosmic characters like Galactus and Celestials? Abstracts, by definition, represent a significant portion of the universe...so are we to believe that Cube Beings exceed the power of any Abstract or High End Cosmic? Going by feats they do...
And if Elder Gods are to be capable of busting Galactic Clusters, then what can Abstract and High End Cosmic characters do? Bust entire universes when thier power is only a portion of the universe itself?
As you can see, things fall apart and stop making logical sense with the current system as it is...
In my minds eye this is all wrong; because of the "Superman Inflation Effect" writers have gone way over board with the feats some of these various characters are able to pull off...and so we now have characters performing ridiculous feats that far exceed what they logically should be able to do.
In my minds eye it should go like this:
Street Level: Can beat up common thugs...
Enhanced: Can go crazy and start blowing up cars and wrecking buildings...
Heralds: Can destroy/manipulate matter/energy on the scale of a small moon; Phobos for example...
Trans: Can destroy/manipulate matter/energy on the scale of a large moon; Earths moon for example...
Skyfather: Capable of destroying/manipulating matter/energy on a planetary scale; Earth for example...
Elder God: Capable of destroying/manipulating matter/energy on a solar mass scale; Our Sun for example...
Cube Being: Can reality warp multiple solar systems or a small pocket dimension at will...
High End Cosmics/Abstracts: Can bust galaxies; the greatest of these can bust galactic clusters...
God Tier: Can wreck havok on a universal scale; the lowest can destroy a universe, but not all at once, the highest of these can bust an entire universe all at once...
That is how it would go if I were in charge; as it is at the moment, things are far too inconsistent at times...and there often seems to be no direction or blueprint as to how character power level should be rated.
How many times do I need to repeat this... Odin isn't near Galactus level in power. As I mentioned before... Even when Odin drew on the power of Asgard and grew to huge levels (this to some means he's not holding back) He was ONE SHOT with ease by Doom with Galactus's Power. He wasn't using the CC nor any artifacts at the time. That is HOW EASY it was.
Further, when have you seen Odin at ANY of the cosmic events that have taken place.. When people have gotten CC, IG's, The Heart and you have abstracts left and right being called to fight the threat. NEVER... NEVER is Odin called upon or anywhere to be seen. That should make it clear where he is on the totum pole... BELOW Galactus or Tyrant.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosialthough im not disagreeing with you, but skyfathers have been called to fight along abstracts before,
How many times do I need to repeat this... Odin isn't near Galactus level in power. As I mentioned before... Even when Odin drew on the power of Asgard and grew to huge levels (this to some means he's not holding back) He was ONE SHOT with ease by Doom with Galactus's Power. He wasn't using the CC nor any artifacts at the time. That is HOW EASY it was.Further, when have you seen Odin at ANY of the cosmic events that have taken place.. When people have gotten CC, IG's, The Heart and you have abstracts left and right being called to fight the threat. NEVER... NEVER is Odin called upon or anywhere to be seen. That should make it clear where he is on the totum pole... BELOW Galactus or Tyrant.
both odin and zeus were
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
In my minds eye it should go like this:Street Level: Can beat up common thugs...
Enhanced: Can go crazy and start blowing up cars and wrecking buildings...
Heralds: Can destroy/manipulate matter/energy on the scale of a small moon; Phobos for example...
Trans: Can destroy/manipulate matter/energy on the scale of a large moon; Earths moon for example...
Skyfather: Capable of destroying/manipulating matter/energy on a planetary scale; Earth for example...
Elder God: Capable of destroying/manipulating matter/energy on a solar mass scale; Our Sun for example...
Cube Being: Can reality warp multiple solar systems or a small pocket dimension at will...
High End Cosmics/Abstracts: Can bust galaxies; the greatest of these can bust galactic clusters...
God Tier: Can wreck havok on a universal scale; the lowest can destroy a universe, but not all at once, the highest of these can bust an entire universe all at once...
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Someone should email this list to the editors of Marvel.
In my minds eye this is all wrong; because of the "Superman Inflation Effect" writers have gone way over board with the feats some of these various characters are able to pull off...and so we now have characters performing ridiculous feats that far exceed what they logically should be able to do.
Exactly! Believe it or not, I read on another forum that it was the writers that had no idea of relative size of a solar system vs a galaxy. They would use the two terms interchangeably. I think they, the writers, should sit in front of a chalkboard and have an astronomer explain to them the relative size of : moons, plants, stars, solar systems, galaxies, galactic clusters, and finally the universe. I bet you my life this crap would stop. "Superman Inflation Effect" or no 😄
Originally posted by zopzop
👆Someone should email this list to the editors of Marvel.
Exactly! Believe it or not, I read on another forum that it was the writers that had no idea of relative size of a solar system vs a galaxy. They would use the two terms interchangeably. I think they, the writers, should sit in front of a chalkboard and have an astronomer explain to them the relative size of : moons, plants, stars, solar systems, galaxies, galactic clusters, and finally the universe. I bet you my life this crap would stop. "Superman Inflation Effect" or no 😄
I am glad you agree with the list! 🙂
And I agree with you that if an astronomer did some explaining and put everything into perspective for these writers, then that would do wonders to stop the SIE!
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIf you grow a set please do reply.
Worshipers =/= Power. Pretty sure Hulk's worshiped by more than one world.What do you mean watch over? The Universe? Odin's done that plenty of times.
Well then problem solved. He has been written as such.
Good night. I'm off.
Quan, if your lucky, I might take a minute or two to reply to your post (Didn't even bother reading it)