Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
pwned is pwned...let me quote vin diesel in the fast and the furious...
"a win is a win is a win...it doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning"
I see continuity doesn't matter to you then, name one time, in continuity that batman BEAT superman, hell, in the hush fight, batman admitted if clark wanted to, he could easily him.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
the only difference is that clark's powers were his birthright, so his is inherent... 😉goku's were honed through skill and merciless training, and fighting opponents who are generally stronger than he is...heck he even continued to train when he was dead... 😉
that is why goku undergoes increasing power changes from db to dbgt... 😉
on a side note, saiyans become more powerful in near death experiences... 😉
I don't know how often you read Superman comics, but some informations can slip through, so I hope you are not offended if I explain them to you, friend 🙂.
Supermans powers are not his by birthright per se, he has those powers because of the yellow sun. Now some important things, his cells absorb more power through the years, the more they absorb the more powerful he becomes. He also trains through his comics, with mongul, WW and Batman for example, he grows with his enemies, those mental bounds for example were always there, only when fighting oponents stronger then him he learns to loosen them a bit to defeat them.
One important change in Superman powers is related to the actual writer, a John Byrney for example and an Joph Loeb.
😉.
and by all logic, the z fighters have shown ENORMOUS durability. goku is hitted by blasts than can destroy the solar system with only few damages. their somewhat weak strenghtfeats are PIS and plotdevices and usually goes against themself. like goku couldnt be seen fighting with his speed in DB, but could be seen in DBGT. and he surely didnt became SLOWER
You do realize that his fight with Freiza in the anime was about 10 times longer than in the manga, as about 90% of it was filler? Filler is non - canon, in case you didn't know.
Superman fights and reacts at FTL speed, the highest attempted calculation for any DBZ character's speed isn't even 1% of lightspeed.
and by all logic, the z fighters have shown ENORMOUS durability. goku is hitted by blasts than can destroy the solar system with only few damages.
Goku has never been hit by a solar system buster. Both Buu and Cell have survived direct hits with planet buster but only due to their regeneration. Cell was eventually killed by a solar system buster, although its debatable how powerful Gohan's attack was and how much of its energy hit cell.
their somewhat weak strenghtfeats are PIS and plotdevices and usually goes against themself.
Not really there's no high end feats to contradict them.
Kento, the fact that the Z-warriors are faster than you see is proven MANY times. We see them fight in slow motion in the anime. Example... Look at Goku and Friezas fight. It was supposed o last 5 minutes. We saw it in more than 20 minutes!
He was saying compared to Superman. Also it doesn't take much speed to be faster than the eye can see. Something moving moving with only a frequency of 1Hz would appear to be a blur to a human.
A normal person is capable of moving their upper arm at that speed. Some one moving their limbs at even 200 miles an hour would be completely invisible.
Originally posted by Lord Rock
and by all logic, the z fighters have shown ENORMOUS durability. goku is hitted by blasts than can destroy the solar system with only few damages. their somewhat weak strenghtfeats are PIS and plotdevices and usually goes against themself. like goku couldnt be seen fighting with his speed in DB, but could be seen in DBGT. and he surely didnt became SLOWER
You are aware of the fact that the human eye is very limited, you don't have to move at the speed of light to be invisible 😉. An fly has better eyes then we have, we move in slow motion in the eyes of a fly, gokus speed is maybe as high as speed of sound nothing more i fear, there are a lot of evidences in the anime^^. Feats over boasting.
Goku can be hit by planetbursting blasts, and even that is just speculation, as an solar or planetbursting blast hitting goku would cause enough shockwaves to destroy the planet they are fighting on 😉. Anyway, Goku survives energyattacks pretty well because he himself is full of energy, his aura alone blocked energyattacks several times, this has nothing to do how well he takes physical hits 😉.
The DB chars aren't allowed in the comic section because they have to few good feats and the DB fans tend to argue just with their worng math and made up calculations, to the point of becoming annoying. When put to the test the DB chars aren't gods, maybe in their universe where the gods are weak and not omnipotent 😉, the DB chars are maybe in the upper classes, like Thor, more likely below, their feats show it pretty well the only thing contradicting the feats are the fans with their "logic" 😉.
BTW, here's what happens when you throw DBZtards "logic" back in their faces:
After sundipping for about 5 minutes in OWAW, Superman was able to overcome the engines of War World which were powered by Imperiex, who had the power of the Big Bang which could destroy the universe (not to mention all of the energy from the galaxies he had devoured).
Superman Prime has been sundipped for over 15,000 years. 15,000 years divided by five minutes = 1,576,800,000.
So that means that Superman Prime can destroy at least one billion, five hundred and seventy - six million, eight hundred thousand universes.
Either that or you just admit that such unfounded extrapolation doesn't work.
Really though where to dbz fanboys get their claims from? Solar system destroying? lol not once ever in the history of dbz has anyone shown to be remotely capable of destroying a solar system with one blast. They say Goku can move at light speed. LOL no he can't but if you have proof please by all means prove me wrong. Then they start arguing over some of his low showings and how Supes was "K.O'd" by a gas station explosion when they fail to realise this happened about 10 years ago during Supes weaker days. Point is if you look back on this thread all you will find is raving dbz fanboys laughing because they think Goku can destroy the universe.
Originally posted by Lord Rock
and by all logic, the z fighters have shown ENORMOUS durability. goku is hitted by blasts than can destroy the solar system with only few damages. their somewhat weak strenghtfeats are PIS and plotdevices and usually goes against themself. like goku couldnt be seen fighting with his speed in DB, but could be seen in DBGT. and he surely didnt became SLOWER
Then how come goku at ss2 almost got impaled by a stalagtite, and at ss4 almost got impaled by a flagpole, thats grat durability, and goku has to think before using IT, since supes thinking speed is way fast, he snaps goku's neck before he thinks to do anything
my bad, notice how the ones on superman's side have seen dbz, but the ones who are on goku's side barely if not at all reads supes comics
I was a Dragonball z fan before I started reading Superman comics and have in the past argued for Goku beating Superman. After some Superman fans pointed out how powerful he was I thought I'd buy a few issues to see if they were right. Turns out they were.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I was a Dragonball z fan before I started reading Superman comics and have in the past argued for Goku beating Superman. After some Superman fans pointed out how powerful he was I thought I'd buy a few issues to see if they were right. Turns out they were.
Thanks for being so open minded, i've met so many dbz fanboys who are so closed minded they would never accept the fact that goku could lose period.