1. Multiple proofs of FTL speed and reactions
2. Multiple proofs of withstanding/dishing out planet - destroying force
3. Multiple proofs of the versatility and power of heat vision
4. Sundipping
5. T-Vo
6. Multiple proofs of incredible perception and senses
7. Multiple proofs of far superior physical strength
Okay, i will just start now.
Goku was shown training with 40 tons weights on the Kaio Planet in the Buu-saga.
The Kaio planet has 10 times the gravity of Earth. By that, GOku as a normal Sayan can lift 400 tons. Time that with 50, when taking super sayin in perspective, and you got 20.000 tons. Double, taking Super Sayan 2 in account, and you got 40.000 tons. 3x it, with taking ssj3 in account, and you have a whole 60.000 tons. So, as the end of the fight against Kid Buu, we can assume Goku had like 60.000 tons strenght. Now, 10 years passes for his fight with Uub in the tournament... TEN YEARS! Goku has multiplied hsi powerlevel many times in under ONE year... In just ten years time, he should be around 20 times stronger, as his strenght rises faster and faster. 20 x 60.000 = 1.200.000 tons🙂 Now, we take the start of Gt, which is 10 years later AGAIN. His power should be highened by 25 times its previous state by now if we follow dragonball-logic, which we do. that means 30.000.000 tons. A golden oozaru is 50 times as strong as a normal oozaru, like a ssj is 50 times stronger than a normal sayan. that means that we can double gokus 10.000.000 tons super sayan-strenght with 50. 500.000.000 tons as golden oozaru! now, remember that bebi was double as strong as goku before baby went golden oozaru? goku was evenly matched with him as a super sayan 4. that means that super sayan 4 is double as strong as a golden oozaru. 1.000.000.000 tons. one friggin milliard. then, remember the GT special? thats HUNDRED years after the end of GT! gokus powerlevel should have risen with AT LEAST 250x its original power, and 300 is nearly undoubtable! 300.000.000.000. So... Who is the stronger one?
Gokus 300.000.000.000 tons strenght...
Or Supermans?
I beg to differ my friend, this is not DB logic it is DBfans logic. As said a thousand times before, just because your power level increases doesn't mean your str goes up the same way. All you calculations are just speculations, it should it would. If put to the test it fails completly, look at the high str feats of DBGT and you will see, an sector of a city lifting goku an building struggling goku, this is his strength. The dragonball logic fails because all the fans think, wow his power level goes up x500 times his other abilities must to, abilities are after all strength, constitution, intelligence (lol) and so on, but when you look what he can do strength wise you see that this logic only applies to energybased feats 😉.
Superman is stronger because it is proved by facts not by ill-fanbased-math, Gokus strength is lower because it is proved by the DB Tv Series strength feats. Feats show more then an made up calculations, sorry, no offense.
I will copy and paste something because I'm too lazy to write everything again 😉.
From another board:
Well, Goku can multiply his PowerLevel each Time he goes one step in the SSJ ladder. BUT if his Power Level is 5000 and he goes SSJ4 and his Power Level increases to 500.000.000 wouldn't mean his Strength, Stamina and Speed increase by too by a factor of 10.000.000. He becomes , faster, stronger but by an much smaller amount. If he can carry 40 tons in his normal form he would be able to carry something like 80 in SSJ4, the same goes for the spead, the bonus is small. You should first read what the power level shows before making such bold statements. The Power Level shows the energy a being can bring up to a fight. The smallest amount of the Power Level shows strength, speed, stamina or fighting skills. It's all about Ki, the energy you have to make such moves as kamehameha. Most Moves have also an upper limit of energy you can put into it. Of course you can use that energy to boos strength and speed, but only an small part of it, most goes for the "energy" Fighting. If you have a high Powerlevel your attacks can destroy a planet, but hardly more, since you can't put all you energy in one hit, you need still energy to move to fly etc, you get the point i guess. So with a high Powerlevel you can fight longer with stronger attacks, nothing more nothing less, you are still not able to move a planet, just to blow one away, you are still not able to fly faster then speed of light, but you move at a higher speed, you still get hurt when you get hit by a blow, remember, the attack Piccolo used to kill Raddiz, it would also kill Goku SSJ 1000000 if he wouldn't dogde or "parry" it. The feats of strength, speed and endurance seen in the DBZ Manga and Anime prove my point and it makes perfect sense, why beacause it was explained in the Anime^^. But don't worry Goku will still be able to beat superman.
He may not stand a chance against Superman-Prime, Pre-Crisis Superman, All-Star-Superman even at SSJ 1000 should he ever reach it (unlikly since the Series ended years ago, I know it since 1991, best friend comes from asia and it is his most fav. he traslated it to me, till i saw and read it myself when it was released here because they are so insanly powerful that it is just stupid. Superman-Prime doesn't exist anyway, he will, but this will take some years *g*, Pre-Crisis Superman doesn't exist anymore because his powers were so incredible powerful and stupid that DC had to start a crisis to wipe him, and his boring comics, from the unvierse. All-Star Superman isn't canon so he won't count. Soo this leaves the current Comic and Cartoon Superman^^. Well well here we go.
Comic Superman may be stronger, faster and invulnerable, but hi Johny Byrne Incarnation would only beat Goku till SSJ3 at four he would loose, barley but still. The current "evolution" of Superman would beat a Goku till SSJ10 then it would be a draw.
But the comics are getting more boring the stronger he gets, so this is hardly an etertaining fight^^.
So what about the Cartoon Superman, he is after all the most entertaining one, and as such the only one Goku should fight. Lets see, strong, fast, nice heat vision, but well, after all i saw from him i would say he can fight Goku to a draw till SSJ1, at SSJ2+ he wouldn't stand a chance. And don't say i have to pic the Comic Superman for the fight, because we talk about the Anime Goku and only Animes Count and this is the animated version of Superman, so Goku wins .
Summary:
Strength
Goku, can support half a city and bring it into it's proper place. Struggles with a building. Upper limit DB GT Str feat SSJ4.
Superman, I guess everyone here knows about "S" ridiculous Str feats.
Speed
Goku, people think he moves at the speed of light, just because they can't see him move. However, they forget how limited the human vision is, so his speed feats show he isn't that fast. When his friends are in danger, ir get killed, he still needs some minutes or even hours to reach the battlefield, even in such an emergency and hurry. Goku is most probably beyond the speed of sound and way below the speed of light.
Superman, Speed of light and beyond.
Invulnerability
Goku can charge himself with enough energy to resist a sword edge, he still gets hurt by physical hits, of enemies who are fast enough to hit him, even his wife chichi . Energyattacks can kill him too, even at SSJ4. Golden Uzaro (the big Golden ape that Goku or Vegeta can turn into) is physically much much stronger then a SSJ4 Goku (which prooves pretty much the point with the power level, since Golden Uzaru has a lower power level then a SSJ4) and could kil Goku with his bare hands, but he isn't as fast .
Superman resisted Galaxydestroying blasts, nuclear weapons and much much more.
Fighting
Goku mastered all the martial arts there are in the DB Universe.
Superman is far away from such a martial arts feat. Batman yes, "S" NO!
So, Goku can't fight Superman physically, it wouldn't harm big "S" enough, he isn't fast enough to turn this into a victory. BUT Superman never hit's his enemies with ful STR (he never kills), he only fights at Superspeed if he has to (against Imperiex Probe for ex.). Goku is dumb as an Monkey, he would never figure out what Kryptonite is, it's most likely for him to eat this s*hit.
The most powerful attack of each DB (Kamehameha or Genki-Dama) char isn't strong enough to kill Superman, who survived an direct "energy" blast from Imperiex himself, the Destroyer of Galaxies. BUT it might hurt....
So, Goku would need all his friends to go toe to toe against Superman. Even at a SSJ100 (Gogeta or Vegeto too) he would still be, physically, weaker and slower then Superman and not nearly as invulnerable. But his Energybased attacks would give "S" a hard tme .
The DB fans logic is really messed up, they misinterprete Power with physical attributes. You can see that his Kamehameha gets stronger with each power level, he can destroy a planet with it, but even at his peak (SSJ4) he wasn't strong enough to move a planet, just half a city, and even hat only barly. IF his
Str would increase in the same manner as his Energy he would throw his enemies from planet to planet, crushing them between moons, and he wouldn't even need to breath since he would be soooo fast that he wouldn't have to leave the atmosphere for longer then a sec.
So don't come with "he said this and that" or if you multiply his str by x5000, watch the show, see how he struggles with "in truth not even half a city, just an sector" or how long he needs to save his friends, even when he flies as fast as he can. Watch an Golden Uzaru who is much stronger then a SSJ4 even though he has an lower powerlevel. And realise that the powerlevel shows mostly the "energylevel" of a fighter, nothing more nothing less.
From the another board:
Gokus penis is 9 centimeters long, well increase in Power x500 SSJ4, WOW his penis is now 4500 centimeters long, that must be destiny caue this theory "SUCKS" XD.
The only one who can beat Superman is Batman, get over it. And hell yes he is an better martial arts expert then Goku.
Originally posted by Lord Rock
Okay, i will just start now.Goku was shown training with 40 tons weights on the Kaio Planet in the Buu-saga.
The Kaio planet has 10 times the gravity of Earth. By that, GOku as a normal Sayan can lift 400 tons. Time that with 50, when taking super sayin in perspective, and you got 20.000 tons. Double, taking Super Sayan 2 in account, and you got 40.000 tons. 3x it, with taking ssj3 in account, and you have a whole 60.000 tons. So, as the end of the fight against Kid Buu, we can assume Goku had like 60.000 tons strenght. Now, 10 years passes for his fight with Uub in the tournament... TEN YEARS! Goku has multiplied hsi powerlevel many times in under ONE year... In just ten years time, he should be around 20 times stronger, as his strenght rises faster and faster. 20 x 60.000 = 1.200.000 tons🙂 Now, we take the start of Gt, which is 10 years later AGAIN. His power should be highened by 25 times its previous state by now if we follow dragonball-logic, which we do. that means 30.000.000 tons. A golden oozaru is 50 times as strong as a normal oozaru, like a ssj is 50 times stronger than a normal sayan. that means that we can double gokus 10.000.000 tons super sayan-strenght with 50. 500.000.000 tons as golden oozaru! now, remember that bebi was double as strong as goku before baby went golden oozaru? goku was evenly matched with him as a super sayan 4. that means that super sayan 4 is double as strong as a golden oozaru. 1.000.000.000 tons. one friggin milliard. then, remember the GT special? thats HUNDRED years after the end of GT! gokus powerlevel should have risen with AT LEAST 250x its original power, and 300 is nearly undoubtable! 300.000.000.000. So... Who is the stronger one?Gokus 300.000.000.000 tons strenght...
Or Supermans?
Copy and paste the second 😉.
You have to compare facts nothing more nothing less. The problem with goku fans is that they try to use the ill-math of the powerlevel to "increase" all Abilities of Goku (Strength, Speed, Endiurance, Inteligence etc.) while the show and the Mangas show and prove that those powerlevel show mostly how much and powerful the ki energy is. The Other abilities increase just a bit. That is the reason why Gokus truggles with a building, why he can't livt a city, just support a small part of it, why an Golden Uzaru (whose power level is lower) is much stronger then an SSJ4. Superman has feats of Strength, Speed, Stamina, Invulnerability, Heat Vision and Energyresistance (even Magic) that put him beyond everything qn DB char has ever done.
Did an DB char ever destroyed an planet? With one instant blast? Yes. Goku too? Can he do it, why not. Did Superman survived blasts capable to destroy an planet, or even one capable of destroying an Galaxy or Solar System? YES.
Nothing they throw at him will be effective enough and that's the reason why Supermanfans work with scans and facts, while some DB fans, who can't accept the truth, ignore the feats of their show and work only with their "logic".
Don't get me wrong I like logic but this kind of logic is what would come "pulled out of the ass" closet..ahem closest.
Goku can't be as strong as his powerlevelmultiplier, his feats of Strength show us something else, if he would have no strength feats at all I wouldn't argue but when the writers let him struggle with buildings and cityparts, not even lifting them, you can be sure that they wanted to show how strong he is. Which by itself is awesome, Class 80 I would guess.
The problem with Goku is his training, his martial arts don't improve much more, just his energyattacks. The Ki is the most important technique of DB, they rely too much on blasts and energy then on pure fighting skills. Superman is maybe even his equal when it comes down to h2h, he was trained by Mongul, he knows pressure points, was also trained by Batman and WW IIRC.
Gokus punches and hits would be strong enough, Superman would feel them, but if the DB chars wouldn't break their hands, and keep on punching it would take eternity to take him down. Speed is no factor here, as the DB chars are outclassed. So that leaves only their Martial Arts and their Energyattcks, and even though they might be good or powerful, Superman has faced worse and survived unharmed.
This is not a fair fight.
Goku vs KarateKid, this would be funny, but Goku would go down.
Goku vs Artemis, without Ki, would go down hard, she is an real h2h fighter.
Goku vs Lady Shiva or Batman, without Superstrength and Ki, would be dead.
Goku vs Thor, would be more interesting but still Thor takes this, he can absorb each Energyattack with his hammer, is Stronger then Goku, not as fast, but has more fighting skills and expierience.
DBGT Chars vs WW, would be almost as pointless as DBGT chars vs Superman.
Those DBZ and GT chars play in another class, why try to beat the most powerful superheroe, try it with people of the same class, like.
Namor, IronMan, The Thing, Wolverine, Quasar, Captain Marvel (Marvel Photon), Colossus, Rookie GLs, Firestar (DC), Lobo, Wildfire, Major Force, Steel, Troia,
Thus would be more fitting enemies, i guess, because Goku would have the "edge" in some abilities, while the other would have the edge in another.
Goku was shown training with 40 tons weights on the Kaio Planet in the Buu-saga.
The Kaio planet has 10 times the gravity of Earth. By that, GOku as a normal Sayan can lift 400 tons.
There was never any evidence that Grand Kaio's planet has mass different form Earth. It was never stated.
Time that with 50, when taking super sayin in perspective, and you got 20.000 tons. Double, taking Super Sayan 2 in account, and you got 40.000 tons. 3x it, with taking ssj3 in account, and you have a whole 60.000 tons. So, as the end of the fight against Kid Buu, we can assume Goku had like 60.000 tons strenght.
There's no evidence the canon Super sayain forms give you such a huge boost. Remember Super sayain 2 Vegeta was slightly weaker than Fat buu but SS3 Goku was only slightly stronger. Gotenks showed a similar power level increase and that was between SS1 and 3.
Before you bring up Freeza's jump of 1% to 50% that was a dub error.
Now, 10 years passes for his fight with Uub in the tournament... TEN YEARS! Goku has multiplied hsi powerlevel many times in under ONE year... In just ten years time, he should be around 20 times stronger,
Except In the 7 years between the Cell saga and the Buu saga Goku's power didn't jump that much and his training there would be much more intense than his post Buu training.
as his strenght rises faster and faster. 20 x 60.000 = 1.200.000 tons Now, we take the start of Gt, which is 10 years later AGAIN. His power should be highened by 25 times its previous state by now if we follow dragonball-logic, which we do. that means 30.000.000 tons. A golden oozaru is 50 times as strong as a normal oozaru, like a ssj is 50 times stronger than a normal sayan. that means that we can double gokus 10.000.000 tons super sayan-strenght with 50. 500.000.000 tons as golden oozaru! now, remember that bebi was double as strong as goku before baby went golden oozaru? goku was evenly matched with him as a super sayan 4. that means that super sayan 4 is double as strong as a golden oozaru. 1.000.000.000 tons. one friggin milliard.
Non canon. But If goku could lift a billion tons, not a miliard (What the hells a Milliard?) he wouldn't of had trouble lifting a street which would of weighed in the thousands of tons. Or Vegeta and him wouldn't of had trouble lifting an office building.
Goku is at best capable of lifting multiple thousands of tons.
Gokus 300.000.000.000 tons strenght...
Or Supermans?
Even if Goku was that strong Goku has still has strength feats that vastly out class it. Superman has moved a third of the Earth's mass before. The Earth weighs 5.9742×10^21 tons. Yes that's 12 more zeroes than The figure you gave for Goku.
He also moved the machinery of a solar system sized construct which requires even more strength.
Power level maths don't work. As DBZ characters strength clearly does no increase linearly with their powerlevel.
So thats why Cell can destroy a solar system?
It could just be hyperbole on Cell's part as we never saw him prove it, but I'm inclined to believe it. It's still not enough to kill Superman. Hurt him, sure. Not kill him though.