Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by The Unknown
It took Goku forever to catch Bubbles, how is he fast enough to catch Superman?

Originally posted by The Unknown
If he could move at the SoL, then what's the point of using the IT on Earth?

Originally posted by The Unknown
THEN GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THEM BEING STATED/SHOWN GOING AT THE SoL (without IT). It's not that hard of a concept for you, is it?

Originally posted by The Unknown
Just an example of them without of a doubt going at SoL. We've repeatedly asked you to do so, but you still can't come up with an example.

Originally posted by Skeets
Exactly,Dvamp Strokes Supes as hard as the editors at DC.

All the arguments I see by the superman camp are revolving on the dbz characters not going FTL and downplaying all of there feats such as the [b]36 times Gotenks went around the world.

The Dbz guys don't need to be FTL to beat supes i don't know where that came from.[/B]

their ridiculous fanboy notions that superman can actually fight at light speeds as well.... even though he has to accelerate to light speed while flying through space more often than not.. but seriously I totally agree.. too many characters have given it to supes in h2h and almost NONE of them are lightspeeders in h2h.. or reaction time... radditz already proved that DBZers ARE.

Nuh uh 😠

Originally posted by jinzin
doomsday wars.. superman is frantically trying to get a baby to safety... dd takes him out using a damned jetfighter.. supes was going as fast as he could cause time was of the essence.. it wasn't SoL.. therfore supes can't go SoL.. see? it works both ways....

This is funny. Now you're making stuff up. A jetfighter never touched Supes and all he did was dodge the missle so the SICK BABY he was carrying wouldn't get demolished. Doomsday had to jump out of the plane to punch Superman who wasn't fighting anywhere near ability due to having to carry a child.

And you are right, at this point in time he didn't go SOL. Unfortunately, that doesn't apply now...

Originally posted by jinzin
actually he was fine on kais planet.. it hindered his speed but he got there after running snake way TWICE and he was still moving faster, higher and better than kai had ever seen any new comer do... crappy example and wrong example... and STILL a better feat than the crane one.. goku still wins.... 😕

Let me know when Goku turns the endless wheels of something bigger than our solar system and then we'll talk. If there is anything of Goku surviving in the sun, or coming out of black holes, that would be great also. Give us the high end feats!

Originally posted by Ritoshi
And Batman hits him 😐

Goku's wife hits him...and Supes lets Bats hit him, why wouldn't he? It's not like Batman can hurt him physically... If low examples are going to be used, goku has been scared of a SYRINGE NEEDLE. Nuff' said.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
This is funny. Now you're making stuff up. A jetfighter never touched Supes and all he did was dodge the missle so the SICK BABY he was carrying wouldn't get demolished. Doomsday had to jump out of the plane to punch Superman who wasn't fighting anywhere near ability due to having to carry a child.

And you are right, at this point in time he didn't go SOL. Unfortunately, that doesn't apply now...

Let me know when Goku turns the endless wheels of something bigger than our solar system and then we'll talk. If there is anything of Goku surviving in the sun, or coming out of black holes, that would be great also. Give us the high end feats!

Goku's wife hits him...and Supes lets Bats hit him, why wouldn't he? It's not like Batman can hurt him physically... If low examples are going to be used, goku has been scared of a SYRINGE NEEDLE. Nuff' said.

Goku is not powered up and is not trying to dodge his wife 😉 Supes is fighting and defensive with Batman and still gets hit 😱

Originally posted by Ritoshi
Goku is not powered up and is not trying to dodge his wife 😉 Supes is fighting and defensive with Batman and still gets hit 😱

Neither one should be getting hit...and Supes rolls and the last few times bats has tried to mess with supes...he's been rightfully owned. 😉

Nuh uh

o si.

Originally posted by jinzin
i already have.. multiple times.. all you say is nu-uh.. vegeta's final flash is an attack where the beam EASILY exceeded the escape veolocity needed to validate it as light speed.. you ignored that and said that it "Had" to be shown that way but was actually much slower in reality than it was shown when all evidence points to the contrary...

ON EARTH, not in space. For some reason, energy blasts travel much faster when not within a planet's gravity.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Neither one should be getting hit...and Supes rolls and the last few times bats has tried to mess with supes...he's been rightfully owned. 😉

Originally posted by jinzin
how do you know that superman would not have had the same troubles? isn't krypton only 10 times greater in gravity than earth?

Uh... because he can fly through space and can withstand the gravity of even the sun...

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]again.. DBZ is slowed down to bullet time for us... and again. plot holes.. as akira explained.. AND again the same principle applies to supes.. if he's faster than light what's the point of superman having teleportation chambers to the JLA moon base?

No it's not. If it was, then non-fighters such as Bulma would never be able to witness any of the fights. Also, once again, if they can move at the SoL, then how come they never do so during a life-and-death situation? They always take an episode or more to get somewhere on Earth...

As for Superman's teleportation chambers:
1. Where is it located?
2. Is it in the comics or cartoon?

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]obviously not as hard for you to grasp the fact that I already have... 😕

Except that you haven't... other than the ones that we've already disproven.

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]already have..if you don't like the regular examples IT should just about do it for you.... yet you ignore that too.. I really don't know what you want me to say, no matter how many times I prove it in how many ways you just ignore what you don't like or write it off as irrelivant.

We've already disproven all the non-IT things. Also, once again, IT is teleportation, not speed. If Superman said that they were going to race to the moon and started flying there, he could suddenly stop and go the other direction. However, Goku wouldn't be able to do that. Superman can also use his speed to move in hypertime, but Goku can't use his IT to do that because it only has teleportation qualities.

Originally posted by Ritoshi
the point is the Supes side use goku low feats like stuff from ep 10 od dbz. and use supes high feats. Most of the people here do, not all.

No we don't. Unless you're talking about the stuff I was using, which was only a response to your side that started the tactic.

Originally posted by Ritoshi
the point is the Supes side use goku low feats like stuff from ep 10 od dbz. and use supes high feats. Most of the people here do, not all.

I know what people are trying to get at. I don't see comparable feats from Goku. In all honesty, there isn't even a reason to go after Goku's low feats...even his higher ones aren't great in comparison.

There are some pretty nice feats in some of the later dbz movies, most ppl don't consider them canon though. In the 12th one with janemba you sort of get the impression that towards the end they are god like in power, the main villain is meant to represent the devil and basicaly makes everyone his *****... But its hard to make sense of things since the subtitles are a little dodgy. Changing there environment by powering up lol quite a weird movie. 😉

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
This is funny. Now you're making stuff up. A jetfighter never touched Supes and all he did was dodge the missle so the SICK BABY he was carrying wouldn't get demolished. Doomsday had to jump out of the plane to punch Superman who wasn't fighting anywhere near ability due to having to carry a child.

And you are right, at this point in time he didn't go SOL. Unfortunately, that doesn't apply now...

(yes i KNOW he can, but as long as DBZ fighters are gonna be limited down to low end showings.. well the same should apply to supes...

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Let me know when Goku turns the endless wheels of something bigger than our solar system and then we'll talk. If there is anything of Goku surviving in the sun, or coming out of black holes, that would be great also. Give us the high end feats!

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Goku's wife hits him...and Supes lets Bats hit him, why wouldn't he? It's not like Batman can hurt him physically

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
... If low examples are going to be used, goku has been scared of a SYRINGE NEEDLE. Nuff' said.

Originally posted by The Unknown
Uh... because he can fly through space and can withstand the gravity of even the sun...

no no no you're not following at all.. any feats that show superman above the capacity of a quadriplegic don't count here...

Originally posted by The Unknown
No it's not. If it was, then non-fighters such as Bulma would never be able to witness any of the fights.

tell me seriously now.. WHY IS THIS ONLY APPLICABLE TO DBZers? 😬

Originally posted by The Unknown
Also, once again, if they can move at the SoL, then how come they never do so during a life-and-death situation? They always take an episode or more to get somewhere on Earth...

why didn't supes fly at SoL when he needed to save the baby's life?

Originally posted by The Unknown
As for Superman's teleportation chambers:
1. Where is it located?

Originally posted by The Unknown
2. Is it in the comics or cartoon?

Originally posted by The Unknown
Except that you haven't... other than the ones that we've already disproven.

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.... "nu-uh" doesn't invalidate a proven fact.. 😐

Originally posted by The Unknown
We've already disproven all the non-IT things. Also, once again, IT is teleportation, not speed. If Superman said that they were going to race to the moon and started flying there, he could suddenly stop and go the other direction. However, Goku wouldn't be able to do that. Superman can also use his speed to move in hypertime, but Goku can't use his IT to do that because it only has teleportation qualities.

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.... "nu-uh" doesn't invalidate a proven fact.. 😐

again.. yes goku can do these things in IT you need to watch movie 6... 😬

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I know what people are trying to get at. I don't see comparable feats from Goku. In all honesty, there isn't even a reason to go after Goku's low feats...even his higher ones aren't great in comparison.

frieza being chopped into fourths and surviving a planetary explosion which didn't even render him unconcious isn't impressive?

characters moving at the speed of light in early DBZ and then in later dbz being millions of times stronger faster and more powerful isn't impressive?

defeating characters that kill gods isn't impressive?

😐

Originally posted by jinzin
taking down brolly who wiped out a galaxy isn't that impressive?

frieza being chopped into fourths and surviving a planetary explosion which didn't even render him unconcious isn't impressive?

characters moving at the speed of light in early DBZ and then in later dbz being millions of times stronger faster and more powerful isn't impressive?

defeating characters that kill gods isn't impressive?

😐

Movies aren't cannon first off, if you use movies, then we can use none cannon Supermen.

He took out a galaxy by going planet to planet with his father having under control, he didn't do it in one huge KI blast, that would mean he's stronger then Buu, who couldn't do it either. And I find it hard to belive Brolly can destroy a galaxy aways when he was so afraid of lava (even Gohan who planed it in the first place). Frieza died by being cut up by a sword, and his father by a simple Ki blast (that wasn't planet destroying), Supes can esily take that stuff. And again no DBZ character moves at the speed of light, even at the of the series, just because a character dodge energy blasts doesn't mean they are light speed. Chracters like Batman, Wolverine, Recca (a manga character), Spiderman, and Gambit has also dodged energy blasts plenty of times; are they light speed too? Just more of your wishful thinking! And just because a character has the title 'God' in their name, doesn't mean anything. Supes has beaten Gods btw too.🙂

No it's not jinzin and they never happened (covering ears) "la la la lala" don't you talk about superman Jinzin superman will melt you with his eyyyeees!!!!

Originally posted by jinzin
doh

no no no you're not following at all.. any feats that show superman above the capacity of a quadriplegic don't count here...

Then nothing past the Saiyan Saga counts for Goku...

Originally posted by jinzin
you mean like lois lane witnesses superman's fight? 😕

If she did, he may not have been moving at a high enough speed. Even if he was moving at light speed and she saw him, that doesn't matter because there are battles in which they were moving so fast that the world was frozen. And the most important of all, it is STATED that Superman can move beyond the SoL. It is never stated that Goku can, without using the IT.

I'm not using low-end feats. The only one who's doing that is you. If you can give me an example of ONE time that Goku was fighting and the world was frozen around him because he was moving at such an enormous speed, then I'll agree with you. That's all we've been asking for.

Originally posted by jinzin
again.. yes goku can do these things in IT you need to watch movie 6... 😬

Actually, the only time that is shows Goku doing an attack during the IT is when Cooler is, too. When it shows them battling, it appears that they're phased out of the rest of the world, meaning that Goku probably wouldn't be able to come into contact with Superman until he rematerializes. Besides, the IT shown in that battle is nowhere near SoL.