mike ive talked to him on aim. he honestly thinks hes being reasonable. hes older than me btw a junior. i think he acts childishly. he thinks he is being as reasonable as he can be and you are just arguing without providing correct evidence. think of it as say, reverse anorexia. trying to get him to see your way is hard.
he refuses to think goku is nothing less than a god. hes awesome but jesus i wouldnt pray to him. most chars that ive seen/heard of can beat him.btw i dont doubt Z could probably kill him if he tried. while that remains the case i still think he has a shot at this. btw ive already stated i havent read the manga gohan stop callling me retarded please.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
he refuses to think goku is nothing less than a god. hes awesome but jesus i wouldnt pray to him. most chars that ive seen/heard of can beat him.btw i dont doubt Z could probably kill him if he tried. while that remains the case i still think he has a shot at this. btw ive already stated i havent read the manga gohan stop callling me retarded please.
We just think Our knowledge on the topic>>>>>Your knowledge on the topic,
All you've seen is the english anime and you don't read any comics
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Right, that's why Superman fought for 1000 years in Valhalla and Goku was exhausted and couldn't continue after fighting Kid Buu for one minute. 🙄
But Goku train for 10 years after that, and show he could fight the reincarnation of Buu, Superman fought allways weaker enemies than him, only Doomsday (barely stronger because Sups defeat him later)and few others were stronger than him, Goku fought with enemies that were from 3 times stronger than him (Raditz) 4 times (Vegeta) 20 times (Freeza before Goku get SSJ) etc.
There is no especification that Goku vs Buu time in the manga and the anime were several chapters.
Goku end of the Manga is another deal for Superman.
GT all will lose to superman, Gt is not canon.
Originally posted by Vvendeta
But Goku train for 10 years after that, and show he could fight the reincarnation of Buu
Yet that reincarnation was just a little kid who didn't even know how his powers worked, and they only fought for about 30 seconds.
It doesn't matter how much he trained afterwards if he doesn't have any showings to back it up.
Superman fought allways weaker enemies than him, only Doomsday (barely stronger because Sups defeat him later)and few others were stronger than him, Goku fought with enemies that were from 3 times stronger than him (Raditz) 4 times (Vegeta) 20 times (Freeza before Goku get SSJ) etc.
Darkseid
Imperiex
Blaze
Fernus
Mageddon
Shall I go on?
And furthermore, stop making up numbers.
There is no especification that Goku vs Buu time in the manga and the anime were several chapters.
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For all the hype of the SSJ3 transformation, he can't even use it for more than a minute in a living body.
Goku end of the Manga is another deal for Superman.
Considering he has no feats anywhere near those of Superman, I doubt it.
GT all will lose to superman, Gt is not canon.
At least we agree on something
The kid is the reincarnation of Buu, with his strenght and Goku is in his noraml without powering up, is just logic to think the Author is Showing the progress of Goku, and the very end is that Goku when To train togheter with Ubb, so he will get stronger, Goku yell in his last words, all this is toriyama wision of Goku.
Beside Imperiex, the rest were same level of Superman or less, the meggadon is just the absortion of antilight, not resisting the explosion, 2 very diferent things.
not making up numbers, goku was 415 power level and Raditz 1200, Goku has to do 4 kaioeken to counter attack Vegeta beam, Goku power up 20 times and was less than 50% FReeza, all in the manga.
Goku at 12 erase a robot heads with his blast, so imaging end of manga, all canon.
Gt is garbage, but i read Somewere that Goku transform into a child lose the half of his power, so imaging when he get adult.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
[B]Yet that reincarnation was just a little kid who didn't even know how his powers worked, and they only fought for about 30 seconds.It doesn't matter how much he trained afterwards if he doesn't have any showings to back it up.
Its simple logic.
Some people say that Goku can not be as strong as his ssj3 self (when fighting kid buu) in his normal form at the end of dbz (10 years after fighting buu)
Goku muiltiply his strenght every year. We have seen Goku go from a powerlevel of 5000 to a powerlevel of 180000. Thats 36 times stronger. That strenght increase was within 7 days while training in the space ship with the gravity machine (on the way to namic) Now if goku was only to get 3.3x stronger a year for 10 years he would become 3.3^10= 153157.8986x stronger. Which is stronger then him turning ssj3 (50^3=125000) at the time he though buu.
Originally posted by Vvendeta
[B]The kid is the reincarnation of Buu, with his strenght and Goku is in his noraml without powering up, is just logic to think the Author is Showing the progress of Goku, and the very end is that Goku when To train togheter with Ubb, so he will get stronger, Goku yell in his last words, all this is toriyama wision of Goku.
Work on your grammar, I could barely read that.
It doesn't matter if you think he should be stronger, without feats, it's meaningless.
Beside Imperiex, the rest were same level of Superman or less, the meggadon is just the absortion of antilight, not resisting the explosion, 2 very diferent things.
Mageddon is the being that killed the Old Gods and is a universal threat.
The Warhead was a completely different scenario (and it does count as a durability feat because he absorbed all of that energy directly, and it was harmful energy. This is more impressive than taking the explosion since he took all of it, instead of just some of it while letting the rest explode off into space).
not making up numbers, goku was 415 power level and Raditz 1200
Power levels are meaningless and inconsistent.
Goku has to do 4 kaioeken to counter attack Vegeta beam
And your point is...?
Goku power up 20 times and was less than 50% FReeza, all in the manga.
Yet this was all based on ki level, which is impossible to use to scale for actual abilities (speed, strength, energy projection, etc.) due to inconsistency.
Goku at 12 erase a robot heads with his blast, so imaging end of manga, all canon.
That sentence didn't even make sense.
Gt is garbage, but i read Somewere that Goku transform into a child lose the half of his power, so imaging when he get adult.
I don't have to imagine. I've seen it, and it was not impressive.
DBZ fans always rely on speculation for their arguments "Well, he should be this powerful, etc." while we have actual feats to back us up.
Originally posted by Gplex
Its simple logic.Some people say that Goku can not be as strong as his ssj3 self (when fighting kid buu) in his normal form at the end of dbz (10 years after fighting buu)
Goku muiltiply his strenght every year. We have seen Goku go from a powerlevel of 5000 to a powerlevel of 180000. Thats 36 times stronger. That strenght increase was within 7 days while training in the space ship with the gravity machine (on the way to namic) Now if goku was only to get 3.3x stronger a year for 10 years he would become 3.3^10= 153157.8986x stronger. Which is stronger then him turning ssj3 (50^3=125000) at the time he though buu.
Complete and utter bullshit.
First of all, power levels mean nothing. If they were a logical scale of destructive capability, the farmer Raditz killed (who had a PL of 5) would have had more power than a nuclear arsenal (based on how Roshi destroyed the moon with a PL of 139).
Second of all, you can't take one rate over a short period of time and then extrapolate that infinitely into the future. That's just moronic. Your post is complete speculation with no actual canon information backing it up. What is your evidence that he got so much stronger? What has he done to demonstrate this?
The reason why Goku is faster
Goku as a kid could dodge bullets. (picture below) So at this point he could move faster then 340m/s. This is when he met Krillin. At the first tournament Krillin could follow Goku. At the second Krillin couldn't see him move so he had to be at lease 60x faster. Now tein was at one of those one and he could follow Goku movements. At the next tournament Goku move so fast that tein couldn't see him. So again he must be around 60x faster. 340x60x60 = 1224000m/s which is around 0.4% of the speed of light. Now Goku had a powerlevel of 416. When he got back from training he had a powerlevel of 5000. So hes 12x faster. Next he gets to 180000. making him 36x faster on that. So goku when he gets to namic is 1.72x the speed of light. Which matchs up with burter who said he can move at the speed of light, and goku is quicker. I would like to point out that he could easily do 20x Kaioken when he got to namic. So if goku could turn ssj3 when he got to namic he would be 50x50x50 = 125000x faster then light. You can just Imagine how fast he would be when he is fighting frezia or even cell. People have also said that Superman heat vision would hurt Goku... But his heat vision is just a laser.. Goku can move faster then light so how can it hit him?
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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Complete and utter bullshit.First of all, power levels mean nothing. If they were a logical scale of destructive capability, the farmer Raditz killed (who had a PL of 5) would have had more power than a nuclear arsenal (based on how Roshi destroyed the moon with a PL of 139).
Second of all, you can't take one rate over a short period of time and then extrapolate that infinitely into the future. That's just moronic. Your post is complete speculation with no actual canon information backing it up. What is your evidence that he got so much stronger? What has he done to demonstrate this?
Power level with a gun. Roshi can power up. Goku power up to around 1200 with a 400 powerlevel.. Piccol did even more.
Edit thats the most danerous thing about the dragon ball fighters. The in greatly increase there strenght and speed for short periods of time. Plus I got to agree with that person who said Superman can bet anyone in gt.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Complete and utter bullshit.First of all, power levels mean nothing. If they were a logical scale of destructive capability, the farmer Raditz killed (who had a PL of 5) would have had more power than a nuclear arsenal (based on how Roshi destroyed the moon with a PL of 139).
Second of all, you can't take one rate over a short period of time and then extrapolate that infinitely into the future. That's just moronic. Your post is complete speculation with no actual canon information backing it up. What is your evidence that he got so much stronger? What has he done to demonstrate this?
When as goku not got at lease 3.3 times stronger a year???? For you to say that he cant is completly stupid. Goku will get continue muiltiplying his strenght until (if) he looses his body.
Ok.
Is not what i think, is what Toriyama draw and his writing.
i am Not making up numbers, Raditz was 3 times stronger, Vegeta beam was 4 times stronger, Freeza is like 20 times stronger, all this is not mere speculation.
The power of Goku is in his Kamehame ha Blast, when he was 12 he disintegrate a robots head, disintegrating rock is something that Chaouzu could do, the Feat of Goku energy inside of him felt in the afterlife and diferent dimension show how much power a kamehame ha could have.
English is not my first languages, i am learning.
Gt is non canon.
For some strange reason Supes fan think that Goku is only as powerful as wonderwomen....
Yet he output enought power to destroy solorsystems, and concentrate that energy down to a small spot. He can move millions of times the speed of light (react and fight which supes has yet to show or hint he can do)
To top it off his strenght/speed keeps muitiplying over and over, and not to mention the new technics that he picks up while training.
Originally posted by Gplex
[B]The reason why Goku is faster
Goku as a kid could dodge bullets. (picture below) So at this point he could move faster then 340m/s. This is when he met Krillin. At the first tournament Krillin could follow Goku. At the second Krillin couldn't see him move so he had to be at lease 60x faster.
Number pulled out of your ass.
Now tein was at one of those one and he could follow Goku movements. At the next tournament Goku move so fast that tein couldn't see him. So again he must be around 60x faster.
Number pulled out of your ass.
340x60x60 = 1224000m/s which is around 0.4% of the speed of light. Now Goku had a powerlevel of 416. When he got back from training he had a powerlevel of 5000. So hes 12x faster.
You will now of course demonstrate that power levels constitute linear increases in speed.
Next he gets to 180000. making him 36x faster on that. So goku when he gets to namic is 1.72x the speed of light.
Which is why it takes him many minutes to fly to another location on the Earth. 🙄
Which matchs up with burter who said he can move at the speed of light
Bold - faced lie. No such thing was ever stated.
and goku is quicker. I would like to point out that he could easily do 20x Kaioken when he got to namic. So if goku could turn ssj3 when he got to namic he would be 50x50x50 = 125000x faster then light.
Yet he still can't fly to another location on earth without taking several minutes, and his fights can still be observed by normal humans. 🙄
You can just Imagine how fast he would be when he is fighting frezia or even cell. People have also said that Superman heat vision would hurt Goku... But his heat vision is just a laser..
Second bold - faced lie. Heat Vision is just as the name implies: a beam of heat.
Goku can move faster then light so how can it hit him?
Because he can't. Your math is bullshit and contradicted by the canon events of the manga.
PROOF: According to you, at power level 5000 he should have been 0.4% lightspeed. Yet it took him 2 days to fly across Snake Way, which is 1 million kilometers. That resolves to significantly less.
