Originally posted by GplexPost proof that these numbers are accurate.
When as goku not got at lease 3.3 times stronger a year???? For you to say that he cant is completly stupid. Goku will get continue muiltiplying his strenght until (if) he looses his body.
To say that they are without evidence is illogical and will more than likely get you banned for trolling as Phenomenol and Sarutobi were.
Originally posted by Gplex
Power level with a gun.
Power levels are a measurement of ki. Guns don't have ki.
Roshi can power up. Goku power up to around 1200 with a 400 powerlevel.. Piccol did even more.
The Daizenshuu stated that his PL remained at 139 throughout all of DB.
Even if he did, it would hardly make a difference for the scale of the argument.
Edit thats the most danerous thing about the dragon ball fighters. The in greatly increase there strenght and speed for short periods of time. Plus I got to agree with that person who said Superman can bet anyone in gt.
You're simply pulling speculation out of your ass that contradicts canon facts. Why does it take them, even in the later sagas, minutes to fly to another location on Earth? Light can circle the earth 7 times in one second. Normal humans can still see them fighting up until the end.
Originally posted by GplexProve it.. he never even destroyed a planet
For some strange reason Supes fan think that Goku is only as powerful as wonderwomen....
Yet he output enought power to destroy solorsystems,
Originally posted by GplexHe's never shown this ability in the manga. In fact he can only go at the speed of light using instant transmission.
and concentrate that energy down to a small spot. He can move millions of times the speed of light (react and fight which supes has yet to show or hint he can do)
Originally posted by GplexProve the exact number that he increases to with scans from the manga.
To top it off his strenght/speed keeps muitiplying over and over, and not to mention the new technics that he picks up while training.
So far all you have is speculation.
Originally posted by Vvendeta
Goku was worn out allready when he start powering up, and he miscalculated that his body alive resist lest that his dead body, if he took Buu charging to his maximum from the beggining, Goku would not need the Genkidama to desintegrate him, Vegeta and Goku words.
Yet he could only maintain SSJ3 for a few minutes.
Originally posted by Vvendeta
Ok.
Is not what i think, is what Toriyama draw and his writing.i am Not making up numbers, Raditz was 3 times stronger,
Power levels are meaningless.
Vegeta beam was 4 times stronger
Power levels are meaningless.
Freeza is like 20 times stronger, all this is not mere speculation.
Power levels are meaningless.
The power of Goku is in his Kamehame ha Blast, when he was 12 he disintegrate a robots head, disintegrating rock is something that Chaouzu could do, the Feat of Goku energy inside of him felt in the afterlife and diferent dimension show how much power a kamehame ha could have.
Other people detecting you is not a feat. I don't understand why people keep bringing this up.
English is not my first languages, i am learning.Gt is non canon.
Obviously logic isn't your first language either.
Originally posted by Gplex
For some strange reason Supes fan think that Goku is only as powerful as wonderwomen....
Wonder Woman is far more powerful than Goku.
Yet he output enought power to destroy solorsystems
Complete and utter lie.
and concentrate that energy down to a small spot.
Complete and utter lie.
He can move millions of times the speed of light (react and fight which supes has yet to show or hint he can do)
Complete and utter lie.
To top it off his strenght/speed keeps muitiplying over and over, and not to mention the new technics that he picks up while training.
Stop trolling, it's getting pathetic.
Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
The way I see it this Gplex guy is Sarutobi who is Phenomenal. Why else would he come right after Sarutobi was banned who came right after Phenomenal was banned? The Mods should just ban his IP address.
Their styles are significantly different. I can usually spot a Phemenalt.
Goku fights with Piccolo could not be follow by Kamisama, invisible to his senses, when DC draw flash, we can see him doing things, so they are 2 diferents way to show speed.
This repeat many times with stronger and faster enemies in DBZ, until Vegeta ssj 2 words who say about Kid Buu: So strong and Fast Kakarrot was fighting this all this time?
If you don´t like Toriyama way to show speed that is fine, but the beams of Piccolo to Raditz is light dead beam, light rays comes from Freeza.
After training in 10 G, Goku surpass the Faster being in his Universe, and the transform into a Supersaiyan.
Superman is not more logical than DB, there is Earth 1, Earth 2, Superman fighting his future Superman, Superman powerdown, etc.
Honestly, do these retards not realize that we could apply their same type of bullshit "logic" to Superman?
Superman is constantly gaining energy from the sun.
Back in 91' he survived a sun - eater explosion, which is equal to 50 supernovae. Since he gets stronger (let's arbitrarily say 10 times stronger) every year, then that means that this year he can survive 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 supernovae this year. Furthermore, since he got stronger, that obviously means all of his powers have grown stronger in proportion, including his speed. So since he could move at 99% lightspeed in 1991, now he can move at 4,950,000,000,000,000,000 times lightspeed.
Originally posted by Vvendeta
Goku fights with Piccolo could not be follow by Kamisama, invisible to his senses
For short periods lasting a few seconds at a time.
when DC draw flash, we can see him doing things, so they are 2 diferents way to show speed.
Yet other people can't.
This repeat many times with stronger and faster enemies in DBZ, until Vegeta ssj 2 words who say about Kid Buu: So strong and Fast Kakarrot was fighting this all this time?
And yet there is no way to actually quantify their speed. Your speculation and arbitrary numbers contradict the canon.
If you don´t like Toriyama way to show speed that is fine, but the beams of Piccolo to Raditz is light dead beam, light rays comes from Freeza.
I can barely tell what you're saying here, but in the Saban dub they made an error when Picollo said Raditz was FTL, in the original anime and the manga it just said he was fast. Picollo just had trouble seeing Frieza's attack. That only means his eyes had trouble tracking it. That in no way indicates lightspeed.
After training in 10 G, Goku surpass the Faster being in his Universe, and the transform into a Supersaiyan.
Except that, going by actual feats, the beings in his universe aren't all that fast at all.
Superman is not more logical than DB, there is Earth 1, Earth 2, Superman fighting his future Superman, Superman powerdown, etc.
Red herring. I'm saying that the logic YOU are using is illogical. You are attempting to draw comparisons and extrapolate with insufficient data, in direct contradiction to the canon evidence.
Originally posted by Vvendetaki gives off light therefore it cannot be lightspeed as otherwise we would not be able to see the light it gives off. Torches and lighbulbs give off light but are quite stationary.
Goku fights with Piccolo could not be follow by Kamisama, invisible to his senses, when DC draw flash, we can see him doing things, so they are 2 diferents way to show speed.This repeat many times with stronger and faster enemies in DBZ, until Vegeta ssj 2 words who say about Kid Buu: So strong and Fast Kakarrot was fighting this all this time?
If you don´t like Toriyama way to show speed that is fine, but the beams of Piccolo to Raditz is light dead beam, light rays comes from Freeza.
Originally posted by VvendetaWhich means nothing as powerful beings in his universe were impressed by 2, 10 and 40 tons.
After training in 10 G, Goku surpass the Faster being in his Universe, and the transform into a Supersaiyan.
A low feat for Marvel and DC.
Originally posted by VvendetaObviously you don't know anything about quantum physics, temporal mechanics, string theory nor M-theory.
Superman is not more logical than DB, there is Earth 1, Earth 2, Superman fighting his future Superman, Superman powerdown, etc.
Originally posted by VvendetaPowerlevels are meaning less as they don't translate.
powerlevels are canon until Freeza first Transformation more than a million.
Originally posted by Vvendeta"then it is" "drew and wrote" 🙂
If you disagree, then is your word against what Toriyama Draw and wroted.
Originally posted by VvendetaNo, you're also making up numbers... post where he is "So again he must be around 60x faster." for example?
You say i don´t use logic, i am just using Canon manga feats and numbers.
Originally posted by Vvendeta
powerlevels are canon until Freeza first Transformation more than a million.If you disagree, then is your word against what Toriyama Draw and wroted.
You say i don´t use logic, i am just using Canon manga feats and numbers.
Of course they are canon. But they are not logical.
Power levels do not denote any kind of quantifiable increase in speed, strength, etc. By actually measuring the abilities of characters at points in the manga, and comparing them to what their power levels say they should be capable of, we get nothing but inconsistencies.
Roshi destroyed the earth at 139 PL. The farmer had a PL of 5, and would have had more power than a nuclear arsenal. This holds true even if Roshi's PL was several times higher than 139.
Frieza destroyed the planet Vegeta with a PL of 500,000 yet in his full form he couldn't destroy the planet Namek (which was smaller).
Goku couldn't lift 10 tons in base form in the Buu saga.
DBZ characters take hours to fly somewhere else on the earth.
When Goku first demonstrated his instant transmission, everyone was amazed at how he had grabbed Roshi's glasses. If they were really even close to lightspeed, they could have rushed over there, grabbed the glasses, and returned just as fast.
Normal humans can see them fight for the majority of their fights, all the way to the end of the manga. They only move fast enough to be invisible in short bursts.
Honestly, give it up.
Number pulled out of your ass.
Number pulled out of your ass.
You will now of course demonstrate that power levels constitute linear increases in speed.
Which is why it takes him many minutes to fly to another location on the Earth. 🙄
Bold - faced lie. No such thing was ever stated.
Yet he still can't fly to another location on earth without taking several minutes, and his fights can still be observed by normal humans. 🙄
Second bold - faced lie. Heat Vision is just as the name implies: a beam of heat.
Because he can't. Your math is bullshit and contradicted by the canon events of the manga.
PROOF: According to you, at power level 5000 he should have been 0.4% lightspeed. Yet it took him 2 days to fly across Snake Way, which is 1 million kilometers. That resolves to significantly less. [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Of course they are canon. But they are not logical.Power levels do not denote any kind of quantifiable increase in speed, strength, etc. By actually measuring the abilities of characters at points in the manga, and comparing them to what their power levels say they should be capable of, we get nothing but inconsistencies.
Roshi destroyed the earth at 139 PL. The farmer had a PL of 5, and would have had more power than a nuclear arsenal. This holds true even if Roshi's PL was several times higher than 139.
Frieza destroyed the planet Vegeta with a PL of 500,000 yet in his full form he couldn't destroy the planet Namek (which was smaller).
Goku couldn't lift 10 tons in base form in the Buu saga.
DBZ characters take hours to fly somewhere else on the earth.
When Goku first demonstrated his instant transmission, everyone was amazed at how he had grabbed Roshi's glasses. If they were really even close to lightspeed, they could have rushed over there, grabbed the glasses, and returned just as fast.
Normal humans can see them fight for the majority of their fights, all the way to the end of the manga. They only move fast enough to be invisible in short bursts.
Honestly, give it up.
500x earth gravity is huge for someone who can change to SSj3.
Lets put a few facts down (^ means “to the power” ) Earth mass = 5.98x10^27, Suns mass = 1.989x10^33, black hole = 3.978x10^39
A normal blackhole is around 2 million solor masses, a solor mass is the mass of our sun. (3.978x10^39)/(5.98x10^27) = 665217391300. A black hole gravity is 665217391300x earth gravity. We know that Goku can move with ease in around 500x earth gravity in normal form. Goku is able to move with ease in 500x50x50x50 = 62500000x earth gravity. 665217391300/62500000 = 10643.49 . Goku would need to be 10643.49x stronger then he was before fighting kid buu, to stand on the surface of a blackhole without even trying. Goku appeared to be as strong as kid buu at the end of dbz in his normal form (he would only need to become 3.3x stronger a year to supass ssj3 power in his normal form), making Goku 50x50x50= 125000x stronger which is more then enough to stand on a black hole with ease.
Please.
your logic is logicall and my is bull, Ok.
What Quantun physics has to do With Superman in Earth 1, 2, 3, or 2 Superman fighting his future Self, or that nobody recognize a guy with his glasses. i am laughing.
My logic is that End of Manga Goku is more powerfull than Buu Saga.
40 tons weight training and Goku is moving at high speed with it in his SSJ1 form, still 2 more levels up to go. and this is before he recover from his fight against Vegeta.
I reapeat end of Manga Goku is another diferent oponent for Superman.