Originally posted by Femi32
Gohan Buu
Gotenks Buu
Piccolo Buu
Kid Buu/Evil Buu
Super Buu (When the evil Buu ate Fat Buu)
Fat Buu
Mr Buu
Then why was Goku even with kid Buu but stated that super Buu was far stronger than him and vegeta. Also Super Buu had the power of Evil Buu and fat buu combined. and as Evil Buu is equal to kid buu, Super buu is stronger than Kid Buu.
Originally posted by Femi32
Gohan Buu
Gotenks Buu
Piccolo Buu
Kid Buu/Evil Buu
Super Buu (When the evil Buu ate Fat Buu)
Fat Buu
Mr Buu
Super Buu is more powerful then Kid Buu and Evil Buu. remeber, Gotenks had to take him on, ssj3 Goku couldn't, who was capable of matching both Fat Buu and Kid Buu for a in a fight (he couldn't beat them, but he did hang in with them).
Originally posted by chickenlover98
again who has the evidence here buddy
I do. I even posted some scans from the manga in the DBZ thread.
Enjoy! 😉
Originally posted by Black Arachnid
1) Physical strength: Goku has shown in the Buu saga that in base form he cannot (repeat, CANNOT) lift 40 tons. If we were to assume (quite generously) that becomming ssj3 would multiply his strength by 10,000x he would be lifting 400,000 tons.Superman (post crisis from the comics, from here on out), on the other hand, is written to be able to lift 40 billion tons on average. He has pushed over a third of the moon's mass, lifted battleships without any exertion, and so forth. Superman is LEAGUES stronger physically then Goku
Advantage: Superman (by alot)
(note: I excluded any information from Dbgt because ssj4 Goku has been shown to be unable to lift a mere building. To use gt would cripple Goku like no tomorrow)2) Speed: Gotenks, (who is much stronger then Goku) has been shown to go around the earth a few times (around 7 or 9) in the span of 30 minutes. So it is safe to assume that Goku is not quite as fast.
Superman has been stated to be able to move 99% the speed of light, which circles the earth about 7 times in the span of a single second.
Goku's trump card in this catagory is his instant transmission. However, it cannot compensate here. It is shown to require two things to work, a large ki source and a moment of concentration. First of all, Goku has difficulty sensing normal ki levels which Superman would have because Superman simply doesn't use ki at all (it'd be the same as an average person). Secondly, when you are fighting someone who is physically moving past speeds of mach 10 Goku will be hard pressed to find a moment to use instant transmission. For example, if it COULD be used past the listed limits he could have used it to beat Cell (that IT kamehameha took like 5 minutes, and was far from easy), beat Kid Buu easier, and get the dragon radar when he sent Trunks.
Advantage: Superman (by alot)
3) Fighting technique: Goku utilizes a variety of martial arts and techniques derived from his own traning.
Superman has thousands of years of experience (from mystical wierd plot stuff) and has also recieved traning from Mongul in fighting and to use his powers in unison and to hold back less.
Advantage: Goku (not by too much)
4) Durability: Goku is easily cut, bruised, and bleeding from punches of those of similar strength level. His defense against ki is high, but his physical durability is vulnurable to strong hits such as those from continent cracking Superman.
Superman has withstood planet shattering blasts and hits from people HIS own strength level (far above Goku's) without showing too much injury.
Advantage: Superman (by alot)
5) Misc. attributes: Goku has shown to be able to fight in close quarters with the likes of Yakon in complete darkness through his sensitive skin. However, Yakan WAS extremely weak and slow.Superman is able to hear an ants footfalls a mile away, and is able to even feel dust falling on his skin. His x-ray vision allows him to scan through any object instantly. These allow Superman to constantly moniter the battlefield.
Additionally, while Goku can sense powerlevels it would be a hinderence to him in this fight (as mentioned earlier). As shown in his fight with 19 and 20, Goku is completely thrown off when he cannot sense powerlevels (as Superman would have no more then average human ki). Freeza also showed what kind of disadvantage is had when your oppenent can sense you but you cannot (As Superman can see, sense, and smell Goku anywhere while Goku only has sight at this point).
Superman's heat vision would be able to pierce Goku's skin quite easily into his brain and lobotomize him (as their skin is shown to be cut quite easily by non-ki sources such as blades) but because that would be out of character for Superman we'll discount this tatcic.
While Goku's ki destructive potential is high, he needs time to charge up planet destroying blasts. As evidence, notice how errant blasts constantly blow up everywhere later in dbz WITHOUT the planet going bye bye. Up against speed like Superman's, he'd be hard pressed to find this time. Also, as noted earlier, Superman CAN take planet destroying blasts just fine.
Additionally, Goku would never "blow up the planet/sun" as that would ALSO be out of character for Goku to kill everyone he knows for a mere victory (not that it'd even work!)
Superman is also able to survive in space for sometime, while Goku is in a constant need for air (compared to Superman). This versitility of Superman may come into play.Kryptonite would never come into play, as Goku has NO WAY AT ALL in determining hat it even is, where it is, and that Superman is weak to it. Also, Superman is a solar battery. His reserves can last MONTHS from when he is separated from the yellow sunlight (how else can he have his space adventures?) so that weakness would also never come into play here.
now that about it Superman over Goku
Beautifully put and well said.
This pretty much sums it up.
Originally posted by dvampire
They have never taken planet destroying attacks (if the planet is still there, it's not planet destroying), Goku died in the Cell saga from a planetary explosion and ssj2 Gohan was badly wounded by a blasts from Cell that wasn't planet destroying.
goku was absolutely depleted of energy (to the point he could barely stand)... he used up most of it fighting cell... when the explosion happened he didn't even try to survive it, he could have I.T.ed cell and then I.T.ed himself back he certainly had plenty of time.. but he didn't... he was ready to go.. you can't use that as an example cause the amount of chi they put into their defense is just as important as their offense... if goku wasn't trying to survive or whether the explosion.. well.....
another time DBZ fighters survived a planetary blast... vegeta's galet gun vs. goku's kahmehameha.. vegeta got hit by a blast that was stronger than his galet gun attack which would have destroyed the entire planet, he got hit head on, and he just rode the energy wave... 😬
Originally posted by jinzin
goku was absolutely depleted of energy (to the point he could barely stand)... he used up most of it fighting cell... when the explosion happened he didn't even try to survive it, he could have I.T.ed cell and then I.T.ed himself back he certainly had plenty of time.. but he didn't... he was ready to go.. you can't use that as an example cause the amount of chi they put into their defense is just as important as their offense... if goku wasn't trying to survive or whether the explosion.. well.....another time DBZ fighters survived a planetary blast... vegeta's galet gun vs. goku's kahmehameha.. vegeta got hit by a blast that was stronger than his galet gun attack which would have destroyed the entire planet, he got hit head on, and he just rode the energy wave... 😬
Goku in ssj > normal sayian saga Vegeta. Goku didn't survive the blast and the blast Vegeta was hit with wasn't planet destroying.
Originally posted by jinzin
didn't kill frieza.. and he was totally depleted of his power AND cut into fourths... AND he wasn't even rendered unconcious... 😕
It killed ssj Goku. And it was never shown how Freiza survived in the manga (he probaly used the last of his energy to escape to space), after Goku escaped from Namek, it went right to trunks part, where Freiza was now a Cyborg. 😕