This both characters fighting in character but not afriad to kill (a death match) then I definatly give this to Superman. Here is my reason.
Goku at heart is a martial artist through and through. Knowing his personality and fighting preferences he will almost certainly start off the fight with an exchange of fists. Goku does not start off chargeing up planet destroying Kamehameha blasts left and right (he won't be able to do that many times as well), but instead like a real martial artist would.
Superman is more of a brawler type (yes he knows Martial Arts well, but he rarely has to use them). He will also start off with an exchange of fists, probably going in with a strong knock out punch. If his opponent is skilled enough though he will bust out some skilled martial arts if he really needs to though.
Ok, so its a pretty safe bet that given their personallities, 95% of the time they will start this fight useing purely physical fighting. Given that this is a serious death match, both characters should start out serious and not be holding much back. Superman, even with his mental block can easily throw around punches with the force of millions of tons. Goku has never shown even a fraction of the durability needed to take even a graze of one of these punches. If Goku tried to block one punch the bones in his arm would most likely shatter and he would be sent flying. Physical strength has never really been the strong point of DBZ fighters.
Also, it should be noted that it takes time for Goku to properly power up into his higher states. In a fight with Superman I highly doubt he would be given time to reach any level higher then SSJ2 if even that. Superman on the other hand is always at max power, all he has to do is use it when he wants to. Even if Goku does power up to his highest (ssj3), he's still not close to Superman physically and will be losing power fast as the match go on (even faster if he constantly uses KI blasts)
So ya, over all I think Superman would win in a with Goku. Its really 1 punch and its over, Goku may be able to avoid getting hit for awhile with his expert martial arts skill against a Superman holding back, but once Supes stops and get serious, he's going to land one IMO and then it will be over.
Originally posted by dvampire
This both characters fighting in character but not afriad to kill (a death match) then I definatly give this to Superman. Here is my reason.Goku at heart is a martial artist through and through. Knowing his personality and fighting preferences he will almost certainly start off the fight with an exchange of fists. Goku does not start off chargeing up planet destroying Kamehameha blasts left and right (he won't be able to do that many times as well), but instead like a real martial artist would.
Superman is more of a brawler type (yes he knows Martial Arts well, but he rarely has to use them). He will also start off with an exchange of fists, probably going in with a strong knock out punch. If his opponent is skilled enough though he will bust out some skilled martial arts if he really needs to though.
Ok, so its a pretty safe bet that given their personallities, 95% of the time they will start this fight useing purely physical fighting. Given that this is a serious death match, both characters should start out serious and not be holding much back. Superman, even with his mental block can easily throw around punches with the force of millions of tons. Goku has never shown even a fraction of the durability needed to take even a graze of one of these punches. If Goku tried to block one punch the bones in his arm would most likely shatter and he would be sent flying. Physical strength has never really been the strong point of DBZ fighters.
Also, it should be noted that it takes time for Goku to properly power up into his higher states. In a fight with Superman I highly doubt he would be given time to reach any level higher then SSJ2 if even that. Superman on the other hand is always at max power, all he has to do is use it when he wants to. Even if Goku does power up to his highest (ssj3), he's still not close to Superman physically and will be losing power fast as the match go on (even faster if he constantly uses KI blasts)
So ya, over all I think Superman would win in a with Goku. Its really 1 punch and its over, Goku may be able to avoid getting hit for awhile with his expert martial arts skill against a Superman holding back, but once Supes stops and get serious, he's going to land one IMO and then it will be over.
Thats true but it dosen't take Goku long to power up to SSJ3 anyway, it only took awhile against fat Buu because he hadnt realy practiced it, against Kid Buu however he was powerd up immdietly.
But its true Goku probbaly would start off with a pyhysical attack and I don't think he has enough power to KO supes by that means the only way I see him winning is with his energy.
Originally posted by Sparkz
Thats true but it dosen't take Goku long to power up to SSJ3 anyway, it only took awhile against fat Buu because he hadnt realy practiced it, against Kid Buu however he was powerd up immdietly.But its true Goku probbaly would start off with a pyhysical attack and I don't think he has enough power to KO supes by that means the only way I see him winning is with his energy.
Even if he does sucessfully power up to ssj3, the match will last even lesser, since that transformation drains out way to much energy.
As for the energy blasts, those would really only be threating if Goku charges up a kamehameha wave (this isn't enough to stop Supes either though), the small KI blasts won't stop Supes from coming at him. And half of the DBZ characters fights are mostly fought in physical combat, because using KI blasts drain more out of them, so using KI blasts through out a whole fight, isn't very smart. Superman could easily dodge them or use Heat Vision to deflect them anyways.
Like I said, Supes only needs to punch Goku once to KO him or have him in allot of pain that he won't be able to defend himself from another attack.
Originally posted by dvampire
Even if he does sucessfully power up to ssj3, the match will last even lesser, since that transformation drains out way to much energy.As for the energy blasts, those would really only be threating if Goku charges up a kamehameha wave (this isn't enough to stop Supes either though), the small KI blasts won't stop Supes from coming at him. And half of the DBZ characters fights are mostly fought in physical combat, because using KI blasts drain more out of them, so using KI blasts through out a whole fight, isn't very smart. Superman could easily dodge them or use Heat Vision to deflect them anyways.
Like I said, Supes only needs to punch Goku once to KO him or have him in allot of pain that he won't be able to defend himself from another attack.
Thats all true...my god I'v been swayed, come to think of it I was just debating over speed more than anything eles.
Can Superman actually hit Goku? This isn't so much about speed as both are insanely fast but the fact that Goku has trained in martial arts all of his life, he will have no problem dodging Supes attacks and when/if he connects Goku will know to dodge from then on. Imo Superman is far more stronger as Goku has never really shown any comparable strength feats, but he should have no problem in the durability range. So as you say dvamp they will start off in a hand to hand battle, Goku being the victor of which.
This fight is not one sided, Superman has the strength advantage and Goku the raw power one but in the end Goku's planet destroying power will give him the win. IMO. 😛
Originally posted by Magee
Can Superman actually hit Goku? This isn't so much about speed as both are insanely fast but the fact that Goku has trained in martial arts all of his life, he will have no problem dodging Supes attacks and when/if he connects Goku will know to dodge from then on. Imo Superman is far more stronger as Goku has never really shown any comparable strength feats, but he should have no problem in the durability range. So as you say dvamp they will start off in a hand to hand battle, Goku being the victor of which.This fight is not one sided, Superman has the strength advantage and Goku the raw power one but in the end Goku's planet destroying power will give him the win. IMO. 😛
No offense, but have you even read any of the posts in this thread? The better question is "can Goku hit Superman?", which we've already proven that he can't.
Originally posted by The Unknown
No offense, but have you even read any of the posts in this thread? The better question is "can Goku hit Superman?", which we've already proven that he can't.
Lol you know you say its been prooven that goku can't hit superman, but someone is going to come along and say its been proven Superman can't hit goku. To be honest I don't think either has been prooven lol.
Originally posted by Magee
Can Superman actually hit Goku? This isn't so much about speed as both are insanely fast but the fact that Goku has trained in martial arts all of his life, he will have no problem dodging Supes attacks and when/if he connects Goku will know to dodge from then on. Imo Superman is far more stronger as Goku has never really shown any comparable strength feats, but he should have no problem in the durability range. So as you say dvamp they will start off in a hand to hand battle, Goku being the victor of which.This fight is not one sided, Superman has the strength advantage and Goku the raw power one but in the end Goku's planet destroying power will give him the win. IMO. 😛
Yes Supes can hit Goku, he's faster than Goku, and if he's fast enough to hit people just as fast and faster then him (Flash and Zoom), he'll hit Goku or any other DBZ character easy. Supes has never been so slow that he couldn't hit anyone, unless they were a Flash type character. Supes isn't a weak fighter, he has 1,000 of years of fighting experience to go along with the MA's skills he's learned over the years. And Just because a person knows MA's doesn't mean they'll automatcially win a fight. Supes has been up against fighters that knows MA's and won.
All it takes is a punch to put Goku on conscious or in alot of pain, rather he blocks or not. Superman has been punched over long distances -- across the continents, through the earth, to moon, and even into orbit; taking a DBZ characters punches/kicks or their KI blasts is nothing to what he's been hit with.Likewise, Superman has punched opponents over long distances. Bizarro, and Lobo comes to mind.
As for the energy blasts, those can be dodged, deflect by Heat Vision, or flown right through by Supes, he has taken worse. Goku won't have time to charge up a planet destroying Kamehameha blasts in a fight against an opponent that's going to be coming at him either (not like it'll help put a stop to Supes anyways). Then Goku has to watch out how much energy he use, otherwise he'll go dry, making the match much easier for Supes. You don't really think throwing energy blasts constantly through a whole battle will actually help him do you?
Supes has it much eaiser with his range attacks, he could finish Goku or anyother DBZ character off easily with Heat Vision. They won't be able to guard or take it, he could lobotimize them, and Supes only needs to stand over them with it. He could Freeze them, then proceed to hit them with a planet/time destroying punch or use Heat Vision. He could suck all of the air or energy out of Goku, since his lungs are far stronger and has done so against more threatning things.
Then he has extra abilities like T-VO and being able to survive in space. All that said, Supes can easily takes this once he stops holding back.
He has thousands of years of fighting experience? Here was me thinking Clark was in his early 30s. Who is to say those energy blasts will have no effect on Superman? Time destroying punch? lol? Goku will have no problem dodging Supes attacks and Supes is not gonna hit him with heat vision, not a chance. He can easily move at light speed, its not the deciding factor in this. Goku has been knocked through mountains and got back up just fine. Thing with dbz that i hate is speed, strength, durability etc is no where near as defined in the series to the extent that Superman's powers are.
Superman has become quite strong in recent years and with comics coming out every week and the last dbz episode made over 10yrs ago, we are limited to evidence and such to argue about things like speed and strength, like fighting a losing battle. 😉
Originally posted by Magee
He has thousands of years of fighting experience? Here was me thinking Clark was in his early 30s. Who is to say those energy blasts will have no effect on Superman? Time destroying punch? lol? Goku will have no problem dodging Supes attacks and Supes is not gonna hit him with heat vision, not a chance. He can easily move at light speed, its not the deciding factor in this. Goku has been knocked through mountains and got back up just fine. Thing with dbz that i hate is speed, strength, durability etc is no where near as defined in the series to the extent that Superman's powers are.Superman has become quite strong in recent years and with comics coming out every week and the last dbz episode made over 10yrs ago, we are limited to evidence and such to argue about things like speed and strength, like fighting a losing battle. 😉
Him and WW both traveled through a demensional portal, which messed with time. Supes been hit by Krytonite blasts and red ray blasts both are much more devastating to him then any other type of energy. He's taken GL blasts (who can destroy planets easily) and countless other types of energy. And yes Supes know has time destroying punches, him and GA Supes was doing so in their battle (not that Supes needs to go that far in hitting, one good planet smashing punch is enough).
Goku has been hit to a bunch of hills and rocks, not through a moutain, I've never seen that happen in their fights. Still though, being hit to another country or through the planet >>>>>> moutain by far.
In the most recent Captain Marvel vs. Superman fight, Eclipsed Superman (Which wasn't any more powerful than regular Supes), punched Captain Marvel from the coast of California all the way to Hawaii, which is around 2550 miles. It also caused a massive sonic boom. This wasn't close to going all out either.
Yes Supes can hit Goku, he's faster than Goku, and if he's fast enough to hit people just as fast and faster then him (Flash and Zoom), he'll hit Goku or any other DBZ character easy. Supes has never been so slow that he couldn't hit anyone, unless they were a Flash type character. Supes isn't a weak fighter, he has 1,000 of years of fighting experience to go along with the MA's skills he's learned over the years. And Just because a person knows MA's doesn't mean they'll automatcially win a fight. Supes has been up against fighters that knows MA's and won.
All it takes is a punch to put Goku on conscious or in alot of pain, rather he blocks or not. As for the energy blasts, those can be dodged, deflect by Heat Vision, or flown right through by Supes, he has taken worse. Goku won't have time to charge up a planet destroying Kamehameha blasts in a fight against an opponent that's going to be coming at him either (not like it'll help put a stop to Supes anyways). Then Goku has to watch out how much energy he use, otherwise he'll go dry, making the match much easier for Supes. You don't really think throwing energy blasts constantly through a whole battle will actually help him do you?
Supes has it much eaiser with his range attacks, he could finish Goku or anyother DBZ character off easily with Heat Vision. They won't be able to guard or take it, and Supes only needs to stand over them with it. He could Freeze them, then proceed to hit them with a planet/time destroying punch or use Heat Vision. He could suck all of the air or energy out of Goku, since his lungs are far stronger and has done so against more threatning things.
Then he has extra abilities like T-VO and being able to survive in space. All that said, Supes can easily takes this once he stops holding back.
Originally posted by dvampire
Yes Supes can hit Goku, he's faster than Goku, and if he's fast enough to hit people just as fast and faster then him (Flash and Zoom), he'll hit Goku or any other DBZ character easy. Supes has never been so slow that he couldn't hit anyone, unless they were a Flash type character. Supes isn't a weak fighter, he has 1,000 of years of fighting experience to go along with the MA's skills he's learned over the years. And Just because a person knows MA's doesn't mean they'll automatcially win a fight. Supes has been up against fighters that knows MA's and won.All it takes is a punch to put Goku on conscious or in alot of pain, rather he blocks or not. Superman has been punched over long distances -- across the continents, through the earth, to moon, and even into orbit; taking a DBZ characters punches/kicks or their KI blasts is nothing to what he's been hit with.Likewise, Superman has punched opponents over long distances. Bizarro, and Lobo comes to mind.
As for the energy blasts, those can be dodged, deflect by Heat Vision, or flown right through by Supes, he has taken worse. Goku won't have time to charge up a planet destroying Kamehameha blasts in a fight against an opponent that's going to be coming at him either (not like it'll help put a stop to Supes anyways). Then Goku has to watch out how much energy he use, otherwise he'll go dry, making the match much easier for Supes. You don't really think throwing energy blasts constantly through a whole battle will actually help him do you?
Supes has it much eaiser with his range attacks, he could finish Goku or anyother DBZ character off easily with Heat Vision. They won't be able to guard or take it, he could lobotimize them, and Supes only needs to stand over them with it. He could Freeze them, then proceed to hit them with a planet/time destroying punch or use Heat Vision. He could suck all of the air or energy out of Goku, since his lungs are far stronger and has done so against more threatning things.
Then he has extra abilities like T-VO and being able to survive in space. All that said, Supes can easily takes this once he stops holding back.
supes is faster than goku? um goku has instant transmission..he's been dodging lightning since he was a friggin kid back in the early db days where the art was soooo bad, but still dodging lightning. if supes were so fast then batman wouldnt be able to hit superman right? coz bats has landed some punches on supes..and goku's speed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>batman's speed 🙄
and once again, it doesnt matter if superman is stronger, its not an arm wrestling contest or weightlifting contest for crissakes! got it? strength is NOT the determining factor. for example, would batman use his strength against doomsday when he very well knows he is outclassed in that category? and the difference in goku's strength and superman is not that wide a margin..goku can take this ssj1 level, anywhere after that is overkill.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
supes is faster than goku? um goku has instant transmission..he's been dodging lightning since he was a friggin kid back in the early db days where the art was soooo bad, but still dodging lightning. if supes were so fast then batman wouldnt be able to hit superman right? coz bats has landed some punches on supes..and goku's speed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>batman's speed 🙄and once again, it doesnt matter if superman is stronger, its not an arm wrestling contest or weightlifting contest for crissakes! got it? strength is NOT the determining factor. for example, would batman use his strength against doomsday when he very well knows he is outclassed in that category? and the difference in goku's strength and superman is not that wide a margin..goku can take this ssj1 level, anywhere after that is overkill.
Batman is your example? 😆 That just SCREAMS of bias.
If they ever did a x-over, I guarantee that Bats would hit Goku and actually hurt him with his patented jobber aura.
Flashes speed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Goku's speed and Superman has hit him. Eradicators speed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Goku's and Supes has hit him.
Batman has had a hard time with the "S" family as of late anyway...In his words...
superman has been puched over long distances..co - signed! but has superman been punched with planetary shattering force repeatedly? the likes of vegeta, broly, heck even cell posses this power. no matter how great the punch or how strong you are it depends if you are able to not alone withstand it but to continue to fight. in ssj forms, as you progress, not only does your speed increase, but also the strength, the durability, the agility, the reflexes, and most of all, the power increases to exponential levels. goku has taken a sh*tload of beating more than superman has, ever since goku was a kid.
one thing your missing is that superman at random has been defeated by people well below his strength class or below his overall ability. you dont see that with goku, its either the opponent is stronger or they are equal, and as the fight progresses, the combatants become more powerful. in dragonball, you can see tenshin han, yamcha, and picollo fighting goku, but in dbz, tenshin han would not dare cross goku's path. the same cannot be said for superman who can be punked by any random villain. the overall power (strength, speed, fighting technique) of saiyans become greater after near death experiences. and near death experiences in dbz is not like getting exposed to kryptonite no sirreee. it is a whoopass ass beating enough to last superman three lifetimes. take raditz, freeza, cell, buu, vegeta, and brolly who have laid the smackdown on goku and some have killed him. HELL, HE EVEN TRAINS WHILE HE IS DEAD! and he has come back stronger than ever.
im not saying that goku is unbeatable, because he is..but against superman, well, big blue aint touchin him.