Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
On paper, they sound wonderful. Watching the series or reading that manga, they do the same things over and over again.

It's like computers in some ways...do you really believe a 1ghz pc is twice as fast as a 500mhz one in real world performance? Compare a G4 to a P3? It's apples and oranges.

Worthless in debate and in showings. On top of that, words like UNLIMITED get tossed in comics like 2 dollar hoes. If I went by that hyperbole alone, NO DBZ characters would win against said "unlimited" characters...something that's been said about Supes more than once.

Even I won't go for that.

Originally posted by jinzin
now you're just throing out red herrings like crazy... look no one is saying unlimited this or that we're just using mathematics that ARE relivant to the power level system.. again I ask you what inconsistencies.. I'm not sure where you're getting this from but I'd like to better see your point of view here.

No red herrings... you disagree with me, so you are looking for red herrings... just like I've asked for scanned proof of the type of power levels you are talking about and haven't received any.

My last response explains things just fine. I see no reason to repeat it in different words.

Originally posted by jinzin
it's not a big difference.. you brought up one seemingly mindless creature to display why goku isn't that great a fighter.. given the creature's abilities and history it's a terrible example...

Terrible for you. Remember, the DBZ fans are the ones claiming the unbeatable kung fu masters... who had trouble with a non fighter.

Originally posted by jinzin
this kept up all the way through doomsday wars.. where byrnes was nowhere in sight.

Perhaps because it's DD's power to evolve and Supes largest jumps in power have been since about 2003?

Originally posted by jinzin
so it's a bad example... like oh i dunno.. a creature who has attained the powers and knowledge of a god of gods in the DBZ verse?

Yet he still isn't a fighter, he learned techniques, he still wasn't an experienced fighter...

Originally posted by jinzin
no I'm fighting fire with fire here.. you keep insinutating that dbz ain't all that, but your reasoning is very skewed.. i'd love to get in a feat for feat fest but a lot of the material I'm using to support goku comes from the anime, i don't have the time to download every damned episode of DBZ there is and peice together the points from various episodes that i'm to make...

Then that's your issue, not mine. Fire with fire? I've been asking from the beginning for high examples for comparison and got INTO this debate because of your ridiculous use of DD takes Superman out in a plane which is completely false...

Originally posted by jinzin
acid and water?

Bio broly. Acid, and water at the end.

Originally posted by jinzin
never said they were...

Weren't you the one talking about blowing up Solar Systems with a single blast?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
No red herrings... you disagree with me, so you are looking for red herrings... just like I've asked for scanned proof of the type of power levels you are talking about and haven't received any.

My last response explains things just fine. I see no reason to repeat it in different words.

it is a red herring. you just went off on some random tangents that had nothing to do with PL's in the first place... the proof is self evident.. you understand what that means right?

Originally posted by jinzin
it is a red herring. you just went off on some random tangents that had nothing to do with PL's in the first place... the proof is self evident.. you understand what that means right?

And we go again in circles...do you understand what that means?

Go back up and read our last 2 responses if you want to keep going in circles.

Face it, to you it's not about Goku and Supes to you anymore...it's about you and me.

I'm about the characters, you seem to take this very personal.

man..insults show my fanboyism when i have already stated that i dont like dbz..

you failing to grasp concepts and feats already proven shows your blatant impartiality..and you call my opinions biased? oh my..

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Only Superman fanboys are voting for him so this is pointless 🙄

P.S. No offence Ava 😄

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And we go again in circles...do you understand what that means?

Go back up and read our last 2 responses if you want to keep going in circles.

Face it, to you it's not about Goku and Supes to you anymore...it's about you and me.

I'm about the characters, you seem to take this very personal.

if you can't understand that the PL system is a self evident matter however, then all we can do is agree to disagree since you're bypassing one of the most important funtamental's of the DBZ verse.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Terrible for you. Remember, the DBZ fans are the ones claiming the unbeatable kung fu masters... who had trouble with a non fighter.

what non fighter? cause if you're talking about buu again that was the purpose of his creation.. not only that but both vegeta AND goku were kicking the shit out of buu, if it wasn't for buu's unheard of regenerative abilities, and endless stamina they wouldn't need worry as they were already far outclassing buu in everything else.. EVEN WITH the fact that buu had absorbed the god of gods.. a point you keep ignoring.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Perhaps because it's DD's power to evolve and Supes largest jumps in power have been since about 2003?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yet he still isn't a fighter, he learned techniques, he still wasn't an experienced fighter...

so it doesn't matter that he absorbed the god of gods to you then? 🤨

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Then that's your issue, not mine. Fire with fire? I've been asking from the beginning for high examples for comparison and got INTO this debate because of your ridiculous use of DD takes Superman out in a plane which is completely false...

it isn't a ridiulous claim it's waht happened... 😕

yknow? like how dd got cloned by lexcorp? it's what happened.. it has nothing to do with my "claims" and again that was only an example of using the low end logic that unknown was using against him to prove a point.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Bio broly. Acid, and water at the end.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Weren't you the one talking about blowing up Solar Systems with a single blast?

jinzin as i said about 20 pages ago u are a good supporter of dbz in this thread

i still don't see why u all bi tch about low end and high end feats the point is the animaters do some stuff for humor such as goku being afraid of needles. i'm sure that u all realize how many supes has

Buu wasn't a bad fighter he was desgined for fighting, he acutaly learned the techniques of those he was fighting, so its safe to assume he learned the fighting skils of the Z fighters as well as the Chi attacks, which would make him an exceptional fighter and Goku was still fighting evenly with him. Also if Goku had launched a full powered attack just after transforming to Super Saiyan 3 he would have destroyed Kid Buu, but he fought him first and because you can't recharge your Chi in Super Saiyan 3 by sitting still as the form still drains the chi he didn't have enough power to destroy Buu even after he tried to recharge, which actuly made things worse cause he just sat around using up all his power, which is why they had to rely on the Genki Dama.

Oh and Avalonofthewind if you want the Dragonball Z community to take some things you say seriously your gonna have to stop calling the energy attacks fireballs, becuase well there not, plain and simple.

And while the Power levels are important in the DBZ universe they have no use here because frankly Superman dosen't have a power level, well he would but no one in DC or marvel has ever had one stated so we can't realy compare them that way.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
jinzin as i said about 20 pages ago u are a good supporter of dbz in this thread

and sparks.. they do have a use.. it's just not a use for direct comparison..

it IS useful to use characters that have feats which were at one powerlevel to be a good base for what characters of higher powerlevels should be able to do...

again.. frieza blew up a planet using .25% of his power at the power level of 500,000 so at his full 100% form he would destroy 400 planet vegetas with an attack.

Originally posted by jinzin
and sparks.. they do have a use.. it's just not a use for direct comparison..

it IS useful to use characters that have feats which were at one powerlevel to be a good base for what characters of higher powerlevels should be able to do...

again.. frieza blew up a planet using .25% of his power at the power level of 500,000 so at his full 100% form he would destroy 400 planet vegetas with an attack.

I guess you have a point there, but the main problem is after the fight with Freeza power levels are never stated again. But it is easy to tell who is stronger than who (most of the time anyway)

Originally posted by Sparkz
I guess you have a point there, but the main problem is after the fight with Freeza power levels are never stated again. But it is easy to tell who is stronger than who (most of the time anyway)

yes but while they are used they set up the fact that people with higher power levels will always be stronger, faster, more durable, and more powerful than someone with a low powerlevel...

BTW: gohan at the end of th cell saga was stated by akira torymia to be around the 300 million mark.

Originally posted by jinzin
yes but while they are used they set up the fact that people with higher power levels will always be stronger, faster, more durable, and more powerful than someone with a low powerlevel...

BTW: gohan at the end of th cell saga was stated by akira torymia to be around the 300 million mark.

I thought that was common knowledge anway, the only time it dosen't work is where Trunks acends to USSJ but thats only because the form actuly slows him down and dosen't speed him up.

And 300 Million thats useful to know, at least you can get a basis of other power levels from that.

Originally posted by Broly92
Only Superman fanboys are voting for him so this is pointless 🙄

P.S. No offence Ava 😄

None taken at all. Only DBZ fanboys would make this thread in a Superman forum and fight feverishly about it. 😉

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
None taken at all. Only DBZ fanboys would make this thread in a Superman forum and fight feverishly about it. 😉

What can I say we needed a challenge lol...ooo thats gonna cost me.