Originally posted by The UnknownUnless your claiming Louis Lane could move sol 😐 Oh and Supes can not battle like that at all. If any speed he does that is faster than w/e is him either sun dipping in space somewhere for extra power or him having to accelerate to gain that speed, he just doesn't blink and he is already at top speed.
Your Movie 6 argument has been disproven already.That's true, but as we've already proven, energy waves don't move at SoL. Unless of course you're claiming that Bulma and Hercule can move at the SoL? 😆
I suppose he can't use kio ken when in super saiyan mode either right?I mean superman never attacks people moving at light speeds on a consistent basis so then he can't either right?
and again.. goku does it in movie 6, you should watch it sometime.
Of course. You've got me! The reason I'm arguing agaisnt Goku is because I havn't watched the show. I've seem movie 6 multiple times. Swirly colours in the background dosn't make them lightspeed. Unless it's stated no dice.
I've already explained this.. what makes you think you're going to comprehend this when you couldn't get it last time?
Lets try this again. Raditz needs to move about a few inches in the time it takes the blast to reach him. Also where is the proof that it was a lightspeed beam. Not all anime energy weapons move at luminal speeds. Take Gundam for example.
can goku pack more power into a blast than supes can into a fist... you bet your ass..
What's the biggest thing Goku's destroyed with his fist? A large rock formation. Superman's? A moon. Give me proof Goku has more punching power. I want feats not hyperbole.
Originally posted by The Unknown
SpeedGoku - nowhere near the SoL
Superman - beyond SoL (winner)
winner goku.
Originally posted by The Unknown
StrengthGoku - maybe a few hundred million tons
Superman - hundreds of quintillion tons (winner)
okay.. put power... GOKU wins that...
Durability
Originally posted by The Unknownno nice try.. shenrons are magical in nature.. means supes would be burnt as well.... goku's bathed in lava before... 😕
Goku - burnt by one of the Shenrons
Superman - can survive being inside the sun (winner)Looks like Superman won.
durability... supes gets KOed by planetary explosion.... completely depowered and cut in pieces frieza doesn't... winner goku.
Originally posted by The Unknown
Your Movie 6 argument has been disproven already.
Originally posted by The Unknownwhenhave they dodged DBZ energy waves after they've been fired?
That's true, but as we've already proven, energy waves don't move at SoL. Unless of course you're claiming that Bulma and Hercule can move at the SoL? 😆
and aain the piccolo example DOES prove they do..
Originally posted by Galvaclawyou mean likewhen goku stated that I.T. was akin to moving as a big ball of light? you mean like when he I.T.ed to the kai planet in an instant?
Of course. You've got me! The reason I'm arguing agaisnt Goku is because I havn't watched the show. I've seem movie 6 multiple times. Swirly colours in the background dosn't make them lightspeed. Unless it's stated no dice.
Originally posted by Galvaclawwhen piccolo launches the same attack at the moon it reaches the satelite in the same timeframe that it takes light to do so... hence.. light speed.
Lets try this again. Raditz needs to move about a few inches in the time it takes the blast to reach him. Also where is the proof that it was a lightspeed beam. Not all anime energy weapons move at luminal speeds. Take Gundam for example.
Originally posted by Galvaclawfist? how about a finger.. frieza destroyed a planet with his finger.. he then upgrades to 100% while fighting goku.. do you have any idea at all how much he would have to be holding back not to punch a planet to peices if his attack were not condensed?
What's the biggest thing Goku's destroyed with his fist?
Originally posted by jinzinExactly and I am not done!! http://youtube.com/watch?v=5NCJG454cOs < I dn why they fear Movie goku so much.
thank you ritoshi... see? in the time it took for him to say be gone.. the moon was no longer there... he can obviously shoot beams at light speed.
no nice try.. shenrons are magical in nature.. means supes would be burnt as well.... goku's bathed in lava before...durability... supes gets KOed by planetary explosion.... completely depowered and cut in pieces frieza doesn't... winner goku.
It wasn't magic in nature only high temperature. It has to be actual magic not magic powered to hurt superman. Lava is a thousand degrees. The core of the sun is billions. Also that means Goku's going down from heat vision.
Frieza was K.Oed. Also it showed intact houses and pieces of tree on the remains of Namek. It wasn't that severe an explosion. Also scans of a planetary explosion please. Superman's taken more than that before without a scratch.
when piccolo launches the same attack at the moon it reaches the satelite in the same timeframe that it takes light to do so... hence.. light speed.
No proof it's in real time. All the superman faster than light feats have times connected to them.Dragonball Z isn't eactly king of showing things happen at the actual speed.
fist? how about a finger.. frieza destroyed a planet with his finger.. he then upgrades to 100% while fighting goku.. do you have any idea at all how much he would have to be holding back not to punch a planet to peices if his attack were not condensed?
You didn't answer my question. Blasting damage does not equal strength. Otherwise there punches would do more damage to the environment. In GT Goku and Vegeta wouldn't of had trouble lifting a sky scraper. Give evidence that Z fighters have as much power in their punches as their blasts.
you mean likewhen goku stated that I.T. was akin to moving as a big ball of light? you mean like when he I.T.ed to the kai planet in an instant?
Movie six proves that I.T. isn't teleportation.. it's a clear cut example of what you asked for anyways.. so ummm yeah it does seem to cut it I'm afraid.
I never said I.T wasn't fast. My point was Goku doesn't constantly use it in combat. It's not like it gave him any advantage against super 17.
This guy is a idiot a few quitillion tonsYou ever herad of class 100 tons thats what Thor is in and Thor is a good match for Superman so you are
Right... he's the idiot. Both Superman and Thor have feats of strength around that level. Marvel's strength scale means Thor can lift over 100 tons not just 100 tons. Read a Superman comic once in a wjile.
Shenron is magical for starters and second, Dbgt is garbage and wasn't made by Akira. Superman got shocked by electricty and felt it tons of times so if you want to use that I will use this.
We're using non-canon material in this argument too. Superman's been skocked tons? He doesn't have a huge amount of electrical enemies. Give some examples.