Originally posted by chickenlover98
i bumped it because this needs to be revisited i'm sorry but it does
let me summarize this thread for you with a few simple questions. Can any dbz character survive flying through a red sun? can any dbz character hold a black hole? can superman speedblitz goku before he can think to move? the answers are no, no and yes
I end it now. Goku Instant transmissions to the sun and blows it up. Without the sun Super man would slowly lose his power.
Superman Dies while goku instant transmissions to a different galaxy and drinks martinis with the aliens from zigon seven.
For the people who don’t follow DBZ Instant Transmission is ware goku dematerializes and rematerializes some ware else instantly much faster than a speeding bullet.
Keyword: Slowly
Superman would have enough time to just fly to another S system with a yellow sun, and Snoop already posted a scan of Superman drawing energy from a White star.
So basically what you’re saying is that Goku is going to destroy the Sun (something he has never demonstrated) and then run away while Superman goes somewhere else? 😆
And how the hell is Goku going to IT his way to the sun when can’t breathe in space? 😕
Just let this thread die. People are just repeating what's been said pages ago and this is going nowhere. Let some other more meaningful topics occupy the first page.
Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
Keyword: SlowlySuperman would have enough time to just fly to another S system with a yellow sun, and Snoop already posted a scan of Superman drawing energy from a White star.
So basically what you’re saying is that Goku is going to destroy the Sun (something he has never demonstrated) and then run away while Superman goes somewhere else? 😆
And how the hell is Goku going to IT his way to the sun when can’t breathe in space? 😕
Just let this thread die. People are just repeating what's been said pages ago and this is going nowhere. Let some other more meaningful topics occupy the first page.
You obviously haven't watch DBZ. Watch DBZ all the way through then watch DBGT all the way through and then you will see that he can easily blow up what ever he wants.
He can blow up the sun with the littlest of ease. Then after he blows up the sun he can fly back to superman and kill him. (he can sense power levels so he could find superman in the dark ). Also I don't think you understand the INSTANT part of INSTANT transmission. He can be on earth and then INSTANTLY be any ware else he wants to be. ISTANTLY not 1 second not 2 seconds INSTANTLY.
the argument is over superman loses. Goku has no weaknesses and superman does. OVER OVER OVER
You obviously don’t know shit about Superman and seem like the kind of DBZ fan that thinks characters like Goku are freaking invincible. Go read some comics and find out about all the characters that would beat the shit out of both Superman and Goku with minimal effort.
I’ve watched every single episode of DBZ and even read the Manga, and had to put with that pile of shit they called GT. They only destroyed planets and moon, that’s it. Cell claimed he had gathered enough energy to destroy the Solar System, but it was just a claim, maybe he could have or maybe he was just intoxicated with power. Either way no one in DBZ (other than Broly who isn’t cannon) destroyed more than a planet. Even Kid Buu, who I’m thinking is stronger than Cell, only destroyed planets and was never stated to destroy anything more than that.
Superman doesn’t have a PL, he isn’t a DBZ character. And You’re forgetting that Goku has to think in order to use IT, it is instant but he’s a technique not his natural speed. It doesn’t help Goku that Superman can go like 15 times the speed of light.
There is no winner here, it’s like Big Sexy said.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Not really. Its a Superman themed site so your gonna find superman fanboys. Anyway my opinion is that you cant compare both characters or series. Sure their are similairities but many many differences. Superman is more serious where DBZ is a lighter take on characters. Hardly a ripoff though. DBZ is more like in a realm of its own. Too many inconsistences to compare it to superman considering the fluccuations in powers but I think thats what makes it a good series. Despite its inconsistenices I still enjoyed the show. Despite its flaws I can still watch an old episode, or play some of the games, same can't be said for Superman returns or the games which disgust me.
Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
You obviously don’t know shit about Superman and seem like the kind of DBZ fan that thinks characters like Goku are freaking invincible. Go read some comics and find out about all the characters that would beat the shit out of both Superman and Goku with minimal effort.I’ve watched every single episode of DBZ and even read the Manga, and had to put with that pile of shit they called GT. They only destroyed planets and moon, that’s it. Cell claimed he had gathered enough energy to destroy the Solar System, but it was just a claim, maybe he could have or maybe he was just intoxicated with power. Either way no one in DBZ (other than Broly who isn’t cannon) destroyed more than a planet. Even Kid Buu, who I’m thinking is stronger than Cell, only destroyed planets and was never stated to destroy anything more than that.
Superman doesn’t have a PL, he isn’t a DBZ character. And You’re forgetting that Goku has to think in order to use IT, it is instant but he’s a technique not his natural speed. It doesn’t help Goku that Superman can go like 15 times the speed of light.
There is no winner here, it’s like Big Sexy said.
Speed of light is 299792458 miles a second which is also a light year. Lets round that up to 300,000,000 a second. Multiply that by fifteen that makes it 4,500,000,000 Or us say 15X speed of light. The nearest galaxy is 20 million light years away. so divide 20,000,000 by 15 you get 1333333.3333 seconds to nearest galaxy. Which means it would take superman 370 hours to get to the nearest galaxy and it would take Goku 1 second to instant transmission to the nearest galaxy.
So what is faster 370 hours or 1 second……..yes 1 second easy question. Also after Goku blows up the sun superman wouldn’t be strong enough to fly full speed to the next galaxy. And goku would be kicking his ass the whole time he was trying too.
Goku wins no matter how you splice it.
Basically what you’re saying is Goku destroys the source of Superman’s power and then runs away hoping Superman would die before he can replenish himself.
Goku can’t survive in space unaided. He can’t IT to the Sun to destroy it, even if attempts so do so if he will be confined to Earth’s atmosphere. Superman isn’t going to just sanding around while Goku is attempting to destroy the Sun. Any time Goku wastes charging his attacks is time Superman can use to his advantage. Superman could just fly to the sun in seconds and take nice sun dip while Goku launches his Ki attack at the Sun, in which case a Sun dipped Superman would just deflect it. Superman absorbed enough anti-sunlight that would have destroyed half the galaxy, more damage than any DBZ character has ever taken and he survived with a smile on his face. When has any DBZ character ever destroyed anything more than a planet or moon in any cannon scene? You’re basically saying Goku can destroy this, Goku can destroy that even though he has never destroyed anything more than a…wait a minute… Goku never destroyed a planet! Doesn’t mean he can’t though since he’s stronger than characters that have destroyed planets but never have any DBZ cannon characters ever destroyed anything more than a moon or planet.
Speed wise I have seen nothing that indicates DBZ characters can travel faster than light, again maybe they do but AT just didn’t make it clear. But from what I’ve seen they don’t travel faster than light. IT is teleportation and requires focus. Goku can lock on to someone’s Ki and use it or he could visual the place he wants to go in his head and then instantly be there, but of course he can’t instantly visualize the location in his head and this the downfall of the IT technique. Superman isn’t going to give Goku time to visualize anything in his head or focus on someone’s Ki to teleport to. Goku has shown no signs of been faster than light when using his natural speed, and he doesn’t use IT at consistent rate to actually pass it as ability he can use in battle without any long pauses.
Superman doesn’t immediately lose his powers when there’s no yellow sun. He can still fight Goku while he is losing his strength since he’s physically leagues above Goku. He can fly to the nearest white star and start drawing power from it. Superman has gone like 18 times the speed of light as demonstrated in Lex 2000, but that doesn’t mean that’s his top speed, but it would be biased to assume that Superman can go millions of times the speed of light even though he’s never done it. Kind of like how you say Goku can destroy the Sun even though he’s never demonstrated that kind of power.
No one wins this fight. Let me Quote Big Sexy again.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Anyway my opinion is that you cant compare both characters or series. Sure their are similairities but many many differences. Superman is more serious where DBZ is a lighter take on characters. Hardly a ripoff though. DBZ is more like in a realm of its own. Too many inconsistences to compare it to superman considering the fluccuations in powers but I think thats what makes it a good series. Despite its inconsistenices I still enjoyed the show. Despite its flaws I can still watch an old episode, or play some of the games, same can't be said for Superman returns or the games which disgust me.
And please tell me.
Do you think Goku is some unbeatable character in fiction?
Do you think he can beat guys like Odin, Galactus, Tyrant, Darkseid, Spectre, Living Tribunal, Saint of Killers, and Dark Schneider? 🤣
Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
Basically what you’re saying is Goku destroys the source of Superman’s power and then runs away hoping Superman would die before he can replenish himself.Goku can’t survive in space unaided. He can’t IT to the Sun to destroy it, even if attempts so do so if he will be confined to Earth’s atmosphere. Superman isn’t going to just sanding around while Goku is attempting to destroy the Sun. Any time Goku wastes charging his attacks is time Superman can use to his advantage. Superman could just fly to the sun in seconds and take nice sun dip while Goku launches his Ki attack at the Sun, in which case a Sun dipped Superman would just deflect it. Superman absorbed enough anti-sunlight that would have destroyed half the galaxy, more damage than any DBZ character has ever taken and he survived with a smile on his face. When has any DBZ character ever destroyed anything more than a planet or moon in any cannon scene? You’re basically saying Goku can destroy this, Goku can destroy that even though he has never destroyed anything more than a…wait a minute… Goku never destroyed a planet! Doesn’t mean he can’t though since he’s stronger than characters that have destroyed planets but never have any DBZ cannon characters ever destroyed anything more than a moon or planet.
Speed wise I have seen nothing that indicates DBZ characters can travel faster than light, again maybe they do but AT just didn’t make it clear. But from what I’ve seen they don’t travel faster than light. IT is teleportation and requires focus. Goku can lock on to someone’s Ki and use it or he could visual the place he wants to go in his head and then instantly be there, but of course he can’t instantly visualize the location in his head and this the downfall of the IT technique. Superman isn’t going to give Goku time to visualize anything in his head or focus on someone’s Ki to teleport to. Goku has shown no signs of been faster than light when using his natural speed, and he doesn’t use IT at consistent rate to actually pass it as ability he can use in battle without any long pauses.
Superman doesn’t immediately lose his powers when there’s no yellow sun. He can still fight Goku while he is losing his strength since he’s physically leagues above Goku. He can fly to the nearest white star and start drawing power from it. Superman has gone like 18 times the speed of light as demonstrated in Lex 2000, but that doesn’t mean that’s his top speed, but it would be biased to assume that Superman can go millions of times the speed of light even though he’s never done it. Kind of like how you say Goku can destroy the Sun even though he’s never demonstrated that kind of power.
No one wins this fight. Let me Quote Big Sexy again.
And please tell me.
Do you think Goku is some unbeatable character in fiction?
Do you think he can beat guys like Odin, Galactus, Tyrant, Darkseid, Spectre, Living Tribunal, Saint of Killers, and Dark Schneider? 🤣
you must have slept through most of DBZ becuase goku IT from another demendtion to earth, and before Buu blows up earth he grabs a hand full of people and IT's them to another planet in another galaxy. Goku is faster and that is proven. There strenth can't be proven but goku CAN blow up the sun he can charge up before he ITs to the sun. And when he IT's superman wouldn't know ware he went becuase he can't sence powerlevels.
Goku had hold his breath long as hell when he is fighting freeza he stays in the water over 5 mins. So after he blows up the sun he goes kicks supermans weak ass for 5 mins. IT's to onther galaxy gets some air maybe a sandwich and a glass of milk then IT back to ware superman is trying to find a star for energy kick his ass for another 5 mins then IT back have another sandwich and maybe a steak and just keep on doing it. Eventually superman will die. The only reason this is still an argument is becuase nobody seems to watch DBZ close enough to see all that Goku can do, and compair that to what superman can do and it dwarfs supermans powers.
Goku would win.
I didn’t want to post this because it’s extremely biased but since you’re biased I think its ok.
All right. First let’s go by what’s cannon, ok? If we bring in stuff from the DBZ movies and DBGT it’s just going to get messed up. We’re going to have to go by the official cannon source which is the manga. The anime is full of fillers like Vegeta destroying a planet destroying the Sayain saga, the whole thing with Pikkon which made Cell look like a chump, Kuririn using the Destructo Disc on Cell, Goku struggling to lift that mountain while in SSJ2, and everything else that wasn’t in the manga is all filler, it’s not cannon and can’t be used in an actual debate. If we are to use non cannon incidents for Goku then we should be able to use non cannon Supermen like Pre-Crisis Superman who destroyed a solar system with a sneeze after he flew to another universe or his insane speed (millions of light-years spanned in seconds while he was still Superboy), and complete mastery of time travel. Or how about All Star Superman who is easily able to push against 200 quintillion tons of force, with one arm and is immune to kryptonite. Or Red Son Superman, Superman 1 Million (who’s cannon) who moved an entire galaxy with his heat vision, jumped to the moon, and punched through time while in a weakened condition.
Another thing that should be noted is that the dubbed version of DBZ is plagued with mistakes, like Raditz moving at light speed. Also in the manga it doesn’t take characters that long to charge up their attacks like in the anime.
The fight should be Post-Crisis Superman VS SSJ3 Goku. GT is too inconsistent (like SSJ4 Gogeta struggling to lift a building while SSJ4 could do it). If you do bring SSJ4 Goku into this then allow me to bring in Superman Prime who’s Post-Crisis Superman in the future (825th century) who spent 15,000 years in the sun after exploring the DCU and fighting unimaginable battles since the end of the 21st Century after he left Earth.
Ok. I believe that Superman can beat Goku for the following reasons:
Physical strength:
Superman on average without sun dipping can lift 40 billion tons. Goku at base during the start of the Buu saga couldn't handle 40 tons , that’s where he maxed out while in his base form. This is stated by AT himself so there’s no point arguing over that. In SSJ3 however Goku should be able to lift around 500,000-800,000 tons at max. This however is not enough to match Superman, now the best lifting feat Goku has is lifting 2 halves of a mountain while in SSJ2 but this is filler and isn’t cannon but even if this was cannon which it’s not. It pales in comparison to Supes physical strength feats, like moving the entire Earth with help from Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman who are both slightly weaker than him, lifting mountains is nothing for Superman who casually dropped one to close a Volcano and I think it was Post-Crisis that threw an entire mountain almost big enough to crush Metropolis into outer space. Superman was also captured at one time and forced to turn the wheels of Mahgehdun which dwarf out entire solar system in size. Strength wise Goku can’t compete with Superman, and I haven’t even talked about Superman taking a sun dip to greatly increase his strength. Speed:
The first people need to get is that the Shunkan Idō is a technique for teleporting; it’s not Goku’s actual speed. Something people need to accept is DBZ characters can’t move at light speeds. Raditz moving at light speeds was a dub error and it took Gotenks around 25 mins to go around the world over 30 times and he took a nap for say 3-4 minutes. Piccolo couldn’t get to Gotenks while he was sleeping was because Gotenks was somewhere far away from Piccolo and Piccolo couldn’t get there before Gotenks took off again. Gotenks only had 1 minute before the fusion ran out, he took more than seconds to go around the world despite what the anime will have you believe. I’ll now cite instances where DBZ character didn’t move at light speeds while traveling at their highest speeds despite what you heard in the English dub (which is crap compared to the manga).
The speed of light is going around the world 7 times in less than a second.
Goku taking days to cross Serpent Road which is roughly around 6 million miles, the English dub made it seem shorter the road is actually much longer but moving at light speed means crossing it in seconds.
Goku not getting to Vegeta and Nappa in less than a second. Tien not getting to the island where Piccolo was fighting #17 in less than a second.
Future Trunks racing to get Kuririn after his training with Vegeta didn’t, get there in less than a second.
Future Trunks flying to tell the Z fighters about the Cell’s proposition, didn’t get there in less than a second. Tien not getting to the island where Piccolo was fighting #17 in less than a second.
Trunks flies off in a hurry to find the Dragon Radar while Goku fights Buu but doesn’t get to his location in less than a second.
Mystic Gohan not getting to his location in less than a second when flying to assist Gotenks after he reached Earth.
Yeah that’s about it regarding the Speed of the Z characters, now on to Superman.
After the reboot following COIE Superman was largely depowered but since his return from death he has been reaching pre-crisis levels once more but not at the same ridiculous level. Superman at one point said he could only travel at 99% light speed but has since then exceeded this speed. Proof of this is shown when he flies to Saturn in less than 4 minutes, it takes light 1 hour to go from the Sun to Saturn and it takes light 20-40 minutes to go from Earth to Jupiter (which is closer to the Earth than Saturn). Another instance is during the Heavens Ladder saga where it’s stated “Superman can race a photon to its target”, in the vacuum of space a photon moves at light speed. Another instance is when Superman goes to Saturn in seconds from Earth, another instance is going 90% of the way to the sun and returning to Earth in under 2 minutes during his fight with Wonder Woman, it takes light 8 minutes to go from the Sun to Earth. And finally Superman took Darkseid to the Sun in seconds and beat him there (even though he shouldn’t have since Darkseid>>>>>>>>Superman). So Superman is faster, he also has some speed feats like vibrating his body invisible and even intangible (meaning attacks would just pass right through him). Superman does not travel at light speeds while on Earth because unlike the Flash he does not have a connection the speed force and would thus destroy surrounding areas by moving at light speeds while in Earth’s atmosphere. Superman has also on occasion flown by so fast that he sucked out all the air in that area, this happened once when he was fighting the Authority and they started to suffocate.
Stamina:
This is a no brainier. Goku at SSJ3 can last for around an hour at max, Superman has fought at the level he wanted to for days, fought a hundred year old war against Gog with Doomsday helping him (Doomsday obviously stronger than Supes and really helped Supes out), Superman and Wonder Woman also fought a 1000 year old war in Asgard. I don’t feel the need to explain who has more stamina any more since it should be quite clear.
Durability: Superman outdoes Goku here as well.
Goku has taken a hell of punishment but so has Superman.
Goku was killed by Cell with an explosion that would have destroyed the Earth, that’s the most powerful thing that that has killed Goku. By the end of the Buu saga I’m sure Goku can handle more than that but not much more as he had to be teleported when Earth was going to be destroyed by Buu.
Now Superman has taken planet destroying attacks without difficulty, he actually 2 in a row once shrugged it off. Superman was punched halfway across the planet and all he said was “ouch” and this was by a magical foe (Supes is affected by magic), Etrigan punched Superman all the from Earth to the Moon and Supes just shrugged it off, Supes took the equal of a million nuclear blasts (during his second fight with Doomsday and this was before his upgrade) and shrugged it off. Supes also took an island destroying nuke while standing on Kryptonite laced sand, he was totally unaffected. Supes has survived been thrown into a Red Sun twice in the same issue (Red Sun radiation drains Superman’s powers). During Infinite Crisis Post-Crisis Superman and Golden Age Superman took Superboy-Prime right through a red sun and flew through fields of kryptonite. And finally, Superman absorbed an attack that was at minimum going to destroy half the galaxy, it looked as if Superman was going to die but instead he smiled at the end and was unharmed. Misc:
Superman’s heat vision is more powerful that people think, it’s hotter than the heat generated from Stars, the pits of Hades, and at one point was used to reheat the entire Earth. If Goku can catch on fire, heat vision will kill but Superman can control the power of his heat vision and calculates every opponent’s melting point before using it.
Now lastly let me say:
SUPERMAN IS NOT UNBEATBLE.
Superman is not the strongest comic book character just like Goku is not the strongest anime character. There are plenty of characters that can beat Superman and if you want me to list them then just ask.
Biased bullshit for biased bullshit. 😘
Originally posted by dirkdirden
you must have slept through most of DBZ becuase goku IT from another demendtion to earth, and before Buu blows up earth he grabs a hand full of people and IT's them to another planet in another galaxy. Goku is faster and that is proven. There strenth can't be proven but goku CAN blow up the sun he can charge up before he ITs to the sun. And when he IT's superman wouldn't know ware he went becuase he can't sence powerlevels.
I actually didn’t sleep while reading the manga because I found the series interesting. Goku is not faster than Superman; don’t give me your IT bullshit. Give me a clear example of him going over the speed of light under natural speed or just stop posting. And if I recall correctly it wasn’t Goku that used IT to save a bunch of people but it was one of the Kai’s that saved everyone’s ass. I’ll get the manga scans and post them soon to cleat that up. Goku can’t blow up the Sun, give me sufficient proof that he can or just shut the hell up. Superman isn’t going to just stand around while Goku prepares to blow up the Sun anyway, something you seem to be ignoring.Superman can keep up with the Flash who outraced instantaneous teleportation so that must mean that Superman can also outrun instantiations teleportation if he wants to.
Superman beat Darkseid who’s like Skyfather in power so that must mean that Superman can also beat the shit out of sky fathers like Odin. He hasn’t done it but he must be able to.
Superman helped move 1/3rd of the Earth but I think he’s stronger than Wonder Woman and MM put together so I’ll say that he can move the entire Earth on his own.
Superman is equal to Kal-L in strength who beat the Anti-Monitor with his punch when an attack that could destroy a Solar System couldn’t so that must mean Superman’s punches are more powerful than Solar System destroying attacks.
See. I can pull bullshit out of my ass as well, been biased ain’t all that hard. 🙂 [/B]
Goku had hold his breath long as hell when he is fighting freeza he stays in the water over 5 mins. So after he blows up the sun he goes kicks supermans weak ass for 5 mins. IT's to onther galaxy gets some air maybe a sandwich and a glass of milk then IT back to ware superman is trying to find a star for energy kick his ass for another 5 mins then IT back have another sandwich and maybe a steak and just keep on doing it. Eventually superman will die. The only reason this is still an argument is becuase nobody seems to watch DBZ close enough to see all that Goku can do, and compair that to what superman can do and it dwarfs supermans powers.[/B]
Superman doesn’t lose powers in 5 minutes you dumb *******. He can probably go a day without yellow sunlight. Superman isn’t going to let Goku IT anywhere anyway. The only reason this argument is still going on is because both sides are biased as hell and refuse to belevie that either character would lose and then an ******* like you comes along and refuses to believe that they would stalemate because you’re one of those biased fanboys who knows shit about Superman just like there were some biased Superman fanboys some time earlier. So stop posting you god damn biased bullshit and read up on Superman, just like some of these Superman fanboys should read up on Goku. [/B]
I’m not going to bother posting after this anyway. I’m just going to let this goddamn thread die. 💃
you said SSJ3. All the crap about snake way and all that he isn't SSJ3. If it didn't happen when Goku was at his full power it doesn't really count becuase I could easly bring up that when superman was a boy he couldn't fly.
If I'm not mistaken post crisis superman has to hold his breath in outerspace.
Yes IT is a technece used to teleport which superman can't do. and when Goku uses it he is much faster than superman.
Ki = magic. Superman is just as weak to magic as he is to kryptonite (Captain Marvel always wins over Superman). Just producing a Ki aura projects magic all around a DBZ fighter.
Goku has so many more technequest that Superman that he just couldn't compair.
And lastly your forgeting that its part of Goku's charactor to never lose. If he fought superman he would become stronger than superman and beat him becuase he always becomes stronger than who ever he fights.
You are out numbered so use anything you want to justify it your wrong
http://www.opinion.com.au/789_Goku_vs_Superman.htm
also I found your post on another forum. either you are posting the same thing on two forms or you are just copying what someone else has said.
Hold yer down one minute sonny jim bob.... Now which version of Goku are we talking about here? ... If we are talking about the version before DBGT goes kaput then ... Well Goku could probably do anything he wished... He absorbed the freakin Dragonballs, which if anyone isn't aware they grant a wish any time the seven of them are together, henceforth if all seven stay together inside Goku then .. he pretty much has the power of wishing and making them come true. He could just wish superman out of existence... Also since Superman is vulnerable against magic and we all know that something makes an eternal dragon who grants wish is obviously magic, then there's nothing Superman could do. BUT if were talking about at the end of DBZ, then it would probably be a stalemate, besides it wouldn't be in Goku's character to fight someone who was on the side of truth and jusitice, something that Goku stands for as well.
Originally posted by Vim
Hold yer down one minute sonny jim bob.... Now which version of Goku are we talking about here? ... If we are talking about the version before DBGT goes kaput then ... Well Goku could probably do anything he wished... He absorbed the freakin Dragonballs, which if anyone isn't aware they grant a wish any time the seven of them are together, henceforth if all seven stay together inside Goku then .. he pretty much has the power of wishing and making them come true. He could just wish superman out of existence... Also since Superman is vulnerable against magic and we all know that something makes an eternal dragon who grants wish is obviously magic, then there's nothing Superman could do. BUT if were talking about at the end of DBZ, then it would probably be a stalemate, besides it wouldn't be in Goku's character to fight someone who was on the side of truth and jusitice, something that Goku stands for as well.
But Goku doesn't like spandex. so he would defenetly whomp on some super spandex. and they are talking about DBGT becauase its in the title. I talk to Jerry Siegel everynight in my sleep even he says goku would win.
Originally posted by I watch PokemonI really don't consider it. Having Goku fight any one of them is like having Bugs bunny fight them. I watched an episode the other day with my cousin and I laughed when I say them. Why do the power up portions of the episodes seem more powerful than some of the actual fighting 😆 . I have seen mountains fall, hurricanes, and tornadoes form for just them powering up yet the battles themselves don't due as much damage. Weird. I see DBZ as really unto itself. I feel funny trying to compare it to other series. Like comparing something like Mickey Mouse to street fighter. They just don't flow right together to me. Goku does so much stuff in the series yet I wouldn't begin to be able to characterize it. We've seen him use telepathy, telekinesis, and blow away oceans yet I'm not sure we necessarily consider him a telepath, telekinetic, or weather controller. His powers are too broad for me to generalize what he can do. I just classify DBZ as DBZ. A clear winner would be too just classify a DBZ character with another DBZ otherwise you get 71 pages of what we have here.
Basically what you’re saying is Goku destroys the source of Superman’s power and then runs away hoping Superman would die before he can replenish himself.Goku can’t survive in space unaided. He can’t IT to the Sun to destroy it, even if attempts so do so if he will be confined to Earth’s atmosphere. Superman isn’t going to just sanding around while Goku is attempting to destroy the Sun. Any time Goku wastes charging his attacks is time Superman can use to his advantage. Superman could just fly to the sun in seconds and take nice sun dip while Goku launches his Ki attack at the Sun, in which case a Sun dipped Superman would just deflect it. Superman absorbed enough anti-sunlight that would have destroyed half the galaxy, more damage than any DBZ character has ever taken and he survived with a smile on his face. When has any DBZ character ever destroyed anything more than a planet or moon in any cannon scene? You’re basically saying Goku can destroy this, Goku can destroy that even though he has never destroyed anything more than a…wait a minute… Goku never destroyed a planet! Doesn’t mean he can’t though since he’s stronger than characters that have destroyed planets but never have any DBZ cannon characters ever destroyed anything more than a moon or planet.
Speed wise I have seen nothing that indicates DBZ characters can travel faster than light, again maybe they do but AT just didn’t make it clear. But from what I’ve seen they don’t travel faster than light. IT is teleportation and requires focus. Goku can lock on to someone’s Ki and use it or he could visual the place he wants to go in his head and then instantly be there, but of course he can’t instantly visualize the location in his head and this the downfall of the IT technique. Superman isn’t going to give Goku time to visualize anything in his head or focus on someone’s Ki to teleport to. Goku has shown no signs of been faster than light when using his natural speed, and he doesn’t use IT at consistent rate to actually pass it as ability he can use in battle without any long pauses.
Superman doesn’t immediately lose his powers when there’s no yellow sun. He can still fight Goku while he is losing his strength since he’s physically leagues above Goku. He can fly to the nearest white star and start drawing power from it. Superman has gone like 18 times the speed of light as demonstrated in Lex 2000, but that doesn’t mean that’s his top speed, but it would be biased to assume that Superman can go millions of times the speed of light even though he’s never done it. Kind of like how you say Goku can destroy the Sun even though he’s never demonstrated that kind of power.
No one wins this fight. Let me Quote Big Sexy again.
And please tell me.
Do you think Goku is some unbeatable character in fiction?
Do you think he can beat guys like Odin, Galactus, Tyrant, Darkseid, Spectre, Living Tribunal, Saint of Killers, and Dark Schneider? 🤣