Dooku's Skill

Let's compare the top 5 for as of Revenge of the Sith in lightsaber skill.

1. Mace Windu (His style is one he invented and that very few have ever mastered. It is often considered the best. I would Like people to read Shatterpoint. For more info on this style click here. http://www.theforce.net/swenc/newdescr.asp?search=38341&tab=d )

2. Yoda/Sidious (I think that ROTS shows us why.)
3. Yoda/Sidious
4. Obi-Wan (His reason for failing to defeat Dooku in ROTS was because of Dooku's greater knowledge of the force.)
5. Anakin Skywalker (Not only did he defeat DooKu in ROTS but he even managed to get ahold of Dooku's own lightsaber to use against him)

I know some might not agree with this list. I complied this list based on facts that I know. To me this list seems correct.

WTF?!?!?! Im sorry but im going to have to disagree with that list completely. Here would be my list:

Lightsaber skills:
1.Yoda
2.Count Dooku
3.Mace Windu
4.Sidious
5.Anakin Skywalker

Force abilities:
1.Yoda
2.Sidious
3.Count Dooku
4.Mace Windu
5.Anakin Skywalker

I put Anakin at the bottom of these lists because he has the potential to be the best but hasnt learnt how to properly use it yet. Some of you probably disagree completely with the duelling list. Sids is only fourth because he just doesnt have the same skill as the others. He gets most of his power from the force, and in a force fight he would wtf pwn them. But however I simply dont see im beating the others in a pure lightsaber duel.

I think my force list is pretty accurate however. Yoda and Sids are way out in front in terms of force strength. Dooku and Mace are extremely close to call. However Dooku has 80 years of both the light and dark side experience whereas Mace only has about 40 years of lightside experience. This gives him a very marginal lead. ONce again Anakin trailed because he has the potential but doesnt yet know how to use it.

As of the EU version of the ROTS movie,
Dueling Ability:
1. Mace Windu.
2. Yoda.
3. Darth Sidious.
4. Count Dooku.
5. Anakin/Obi-Wan Kenobi/Luminara Unduli.

Force Powers:
1. Mace Windu.
2. Darth Sidious.
3. Yoda.
4. Count Dooku.
5. Anakin Skywalker/Plo Koon.

I fail to see why people keep putting Dooku above Anakin especiallly after Anakin already proved he's better than dooku.

It's because they're special.. Look fanboys, it's one hundred percent certain that Sidious was a far better duelist than Dooku. Sidious was his master and knew a whole of lot more saber styles than Dooku.

That Mace defeated Sidious is a special case too, but I'm certain that Mace just like Anakin and Yoda could defeat Dooku. That Makashi pwns Soresu is just luck.
Dooku was f*cking old and was a master of a difficult and ancient lightsaber style but some of the others were just superior, get over it.
And to people putting Anakin so far below Dooku and Mace: You're a bunch of retards. (I'm speaking in general now, I'm not refering to actual members here who might have had this opinion)

And to the creator of this thread: Duh.. Of course he wasn't the second best duelist of the galaxy.. Duh Duh Duh!!! Go watch revenge of the sith.
He should've, could've been better but he wasn't.

Originally posted by Count Kent
As of the EU version of the ROTS movie,
Dueling Ability:
1. Mace Windu.
2. Yoda.
3. Darth Sidious.
4. Count Dooku.
5. Anakin/Obi-Wan Kenobi/Luminara Unduli.

Force Powers:
1. Mace Windu.
2. Darth Sidious.
3. Yoda.
4. Count Dooku.
5. Anakin Skywalker/Plo Koon.

Why on earth is Mace at the top of both those lists?!?!? He is on par with Dooku at best.Yoda should be at the top of the lists, followed by Sidious in the force list and Dooku in the duelling list.Then Mace and finally Anakin. Anakin wasnt all powerful in ROTS. He had massive amounts of potential but hadnt learned how to use it yet. This is why he comes last on the lists. But not by much. Numbers 3 4 5 are extremely close to differentiate.

As a duelist? Anakin>Dooku

Originally posted by Lightsnake
As a duelist? Anakin>Dooku

Ha

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Why the f**k is everyone saying that Mace is above the Count. In saber skills the Count is better by a reasonably large margin (purely because his Makashi style is made for lightsaber comat). And then in force abilities they are on par with the Count possibly having a very marginal lead. I say this because he has around 80 years of knowledge of both the light and dark side whereas Mace has had only around 40 years of experience with the light side.

And I am sure that your considerable bias in Dooku's favor would have nothing to do with that. This coming from the man who labeled him as "the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith ever". Dooku was a pawn. A talented one, but a pawn nonetheless.

Count Dooku is an incredibly powerful Force-user. But his usage of Makashi doesn't guarentee him a victory at all.

Anakin defeated him in a contest of sabers, despite Dooku's proficiency in Makashi - and Yoda was able to overwhelm Count Dooku in a saber fight in both AotC and Dark Rendezvous - despite his Makashi proficiency.

Your point? Moot.

Count Dooku isn't ahead of Mace by a considerable margin. Consider: Only three years prior to RotS, Dooku was able to own Anakin and Kenobi at the same time, and yet in RotS, Anakin overcame him. So, in the span of thirteen years, I am positive that Mace improved dramatically - as he was already described as a lightsaber prodigy - like Count Dooku.

Your point? Moot.

We can only speculate about who would win. But your crap about experience means nothing. Yoda has 900 years of experience, but he didn't WTFpwn Sidious - who only had 60 years worth. Sidious has more experience than Mace, but he didn't WTFpwn Mace. Dooku has 70 years of experience, compared to Anakin's 13, and he didn't pwn Anakin by the time of RotS.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
WTF?!?!?! Im sorry but im going to have to disagree with that list completely. Here would be my list:

Lightsaber skills:
1.Yoda
2.Count Dooku
3.Mace Windu
4.Sidious
5.Anakin Skywalker

Force abilities:
1.Yoda
2.Sidious
3.Count Dooku
4.Mace Windu
5.Anakin Skywalker

I put Anakin at the bottom of these lists because he has the potential to be the best but hasnt learnt how to properly use it yet. Some of you probably disagree completely with the duelling list. Sids is only fourth because he just doesnt have the same skill as the others. He gets most of his power from the force, and in a force fight he would wtf pwn them. But however I simply dont see im beating the others in a pure lightsaber duel.

I think my force list is pretty accurate however. Yoda and Sids are way out in front in terms of force strength. Dooku and Mace are extremely close to call. However Dooku has 80 years of both the light and dark side experience whereas Mace only has about 40 years of lightside experience. This gives him a very marginal lead. ONce again Anakin trailed because he has the potential but doesnt yet know how to use it.

Anakin > Count Dooku.

I don't think you want to accept it, but the official script, the movie, and Lucas's commentary all firmly prove that Anakin is simply better than Count Dooku.

Why the hell would Sidious want Anakin if he weren't?

Darth Sidious: Soon, I shall have a new apprentice... one far younger... and more powerful.

A line from the guy who's not only intent on conquering the galaxy but also wants the most powerful apprentice. The man who has studied both Dooku and Anakin and knows which one is superior.

He chose Anakin.

The. End.

The last time Mace and Dooku fought the fight was...inconclusive. They were evenly matched,

And sorry, Tyrannus, but it's true. There;s nothing suggesting Dooku held back

Originally posted by Rampant ox
WTF?!?!?! Im sorry but im going to have to disagree with that list completely. Here would be my list:

Lightsaber skills:
1.Yoda
2.Count Dooku
3.Mace Windu
4.Sidious
5.Anakin Skywalker

Force abilities:
1.Yoda
2.Sidious
3.Count Dooku
4.Mace Windu
5.Anakin Skywalker

I put Anakin at the bottom of these lists because he has the potential to be the best but hasnt learnt how to properly use it yet. Some of you probably disagree completely with the duelling list. Sids is only fourth because he just doesnt have the same skill as the others. He gets most of his power from the force, and in a force fight he would wtf pwn them. But however I simply dont see im beating the others in a pure lightsaber duel.

I think my force list is pretty accurate however. Yoda and Sids are way out in front in terms of force strength. Dooku and Mace are extremely close to call. However Dooku has 80 years of both the light and dark side experience whereas Mace only has about 40 years of lightside experience. This gives him a very marginal lead. ONce again Anakin trailed because he has the potential but doesnt yet know how to use it.

Sorry but when it comes to lightsaber skills Anakin has Dooku beat.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
WTF?!?!?! Im sorry but im going to have to disagree with that list completely. Here would be my list:

Lightsaber skills:
1.Yoda
2.Count Dooku
3.Mace Windu
4.Sidious
5.Anakin Skywalker

Force abilities:
1.Yoda
2.Sidious
3.Count Dooku
4.Mace Windu
5.Anakin Skywalker

I put Anakin at the bottom of these lists because he has the potential to be the best but hasnt learnt how to properly use it yet. Some of you probably disagree completely with the duelling list. Sids is only fourth because he just doesnt have the same skill as the others. He gets most of his power from the force, and in a force fight he would wtf pwn them. But however I simply dont see im beating the others in a pure lightsaber duel.

I think my force list is pretty accurate however. Yoda and Sids are way out in front in terms of force strength. Dooku and Mace are extremely close to call. However Dooku has 80 years of both the light and dark side experience whereas Mace only has about 40 years of lightside experience. This gives him a very marginal lead. ONce again Anakin trailed because he has the potential but doesnt yet know how to use it.

Anakin bested Dooku in a lightsaber battle. Don't argue. It's fact. So, the list would be:

Force Powers:

1. Yoda/Sidious
2. Yoda/Sidious
3. Mace/Dooku/Anakin
4. Mace/Dooku/Anakin
5. Mace/Dooku/Anakin

Lightsaber ability:

Sheesh . . . the hardest. Yoda or Anakin, probably. . . I can't rank it.

If it's straight up lightsaber (with no force) Yoda won't be that good. He relies on the Force to be able to move about.

Mace and Dooku>Anakin with the force (by far)

Mace and Sidious>Anakin with lightsabers.

Why is everyone excluding obi-wan. Yes he lost to Dooku on ROTS but remember he was knocked backwards by a force push. Obi-Wan however proves in his fight with Anakin that he is at least as good as Anakin. His force skills were just as devoloped as Anakin in that fight as we see in that double force push between the two. As a result they had to depend on their skill with a saber. The only edge Obi-Wan had in the fight was his greater experiance. Point in by the time of ROTS both Obi-Wan and Anakin had a greater skill with a lightsaber then Dooku. To be honest I did not see much of an approvement in Dooku's skill between movies which makes be think he had reached his limit to how good he could get with a saber. As for the best with a lightsaber all together. That would be Mace. You can argue that he uses the force when he fights but then you must remember that every Jedi, Dark Jedi and Sith use the force when they duel. The use it to guide their actions. Their increased reflexes, speed and all that come from the force. Also Lightsabers are difficult to fight with. Which is why only a force user can use one well. I would be dangerous for a non force user to attempt to fight with one. They are more difficult to handle then a sword considering when activates, the blade is pretty much weightless. One wrong move the you could injure yourself or worse.

Escape81 I cant be bothered quoting your points but you present a good argument. However everyone can stop holding the fact that Dooku was a 'pawn' against him. Because everyone below Sids was a pawn, and if I am not mistaken that is the entire galaxy. Vader, Yoda, Jango etc were all pawns.

This is as far as I am willing to budge on the ROTS battle. Dooku has far more skill than Anakin, yet Anakin has far more raw power/strength. I am not saying that Dooku is weak but he simply got overpowered by Anakin. Anakin then performed a tricky manouvre and caught Dooku out. So the way I see it Anakin is stronger physically, yet the Count has more skill with a saber. However his skill wasnt enough to save him in ROTS unfortunately.

And no Anakin isnt on the level of Yoda or Sids, not by ROTS anyway. Yes he could and probably did become more powerful than them both, but in ROTS he is nothing but a whiny teen who has the power but cant use it. Yoda or Sids would wtf pwn him in a fight.

why did this turn into a versus thread? i was just curious as to how much of an advantage form 2 was for dooku, if hed chosen something like form 5 or even 3 would he have still attained the same level of skill, and would he still be at least a pretty close match for windu? if obi wan had chosen for 2 would he be as skilled at dooku was? so how much of dookus ability was his own skill, and how much of it was his use of form 2?

Meh, Anakin did win by pulling him hands out and cutting them off...

Originally posted by Jam-Jul_Lison
Why is everyone excluding obi-wan. Yes he lost to Dooku on ROTS but remember he was knocked backwards by a force push. Obi-Wan however proves in his fight with Anakin that he is at least as good as Anakin. His force skills were just as devoloped as Anakin in that fight as we see in that double force push between the two. As a result they had to depend on their skill with a saber. The only edge Obi-Wan had in the fight was his greater experiance. Point in by the time of ROTS both Obi-Wan and Anakin had a greater skill with a lightsaber then Dooku. To be honest I did not see much of an approvement in Dooku's skill between movies which makes be think he had reached his limit to how good he could get with a saber. As for the best with a lightsaber all together. That would be Mace. You can argue that he uses the force when he fights but then you must remember that every Jedi, Dark Jedi and Sith use the force when they duel. The use it to guide their actions. Their increased reflexes, speed and all that come from the force. Also Lightsabers are difficult to fight with. Which is why only a force user can use one well. I would be dangerous for a non force user to attempt to fight with one. They are more difficult to handle then a sword considering when activates, the blade is pretty much weightless. One wrong move the you could injure yourself or worse.

Nah. Mace isn't the best lightsaber duelist. If you watch RotS Mace vs. Palpatine his fight was kind of slow.