Originally posted by Regret
Lol, I just threw those out because it seems you tend to follow JIAs line of thought often. I think JIA may need to re-examine what a sin is for him, might be many more than he thinks, but then I'm not the one to make that call 😉
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
then you are a Nihilist.
Tch. One is not a Nihilist (in the sense you are thinking of) if they don't have faith, or if they choose to have faith in something other then a religion. It is one of the points that annoy me - you don't need God to have purpose of be happy in life. You aren't pointless or doomed to be depressed if you don't have God in you life.
That is fact.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
hey, i am not perfect. it was just a joke. i know that it was technically a sin, but who doesnt sin every once in a while? i bet that even Jesusisalive sins from time to time.
Yes, unfortunately I do. My flesh never gives me a day off. The apostle Paul had the same conflict with his flesh that we (all christians and non-christians) have. Read:
Romans 7:15-25
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
The apostle Paul (a man who wrote two-thirds of the New Testament, a man who was caught up to the Third Heaven (God's home), a man who saw Jesus Christ, this man describes his battle with sin. Sin is a law that manifests itself primarily in our flesh. Our flesh wants to do all kinds of sinful things. That is why we must walk in the spirit so that we will not fulfull the lusts of our flesh. The way that we walk in the spirit is by walking (living our lives in accordance with God's Word) by the Word of God. More "works" of the flesh:
Galatians 5:18-23
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Yes, unfortunately I do. My flesh never gives me a day off. The apostle Paul had the same conflict with his flesh that we (all christians and non-christians) have. Read:
I can't help but wonder if religion makes people be to hard on themselves. I mean, really. Picking every little thing as a sin, as a sign or imperfection, as something to worry and stress over.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Tch. One is not a Nihilist (in the sense you are thinking of) if they don't have faith, or if they choose to have faith in something other then a religion. It is one of the points that annoy me - you don't need God to have purpose of be happy in life. You aren't pointless or doomed to be depressed if you don't have God in you life.That is fact.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well, what is the term if you believe in nothing?
Oh, Nihilism in terms of not thinking the world or humans or anything has any fundamental or advanced truth, purpose or value. However it is a failing of certain groups that they believe if a person is an Atheist, or if a person believes in a philosophy or ideology instead of a God, that that describes them. As I said above, in the way you seemed to have been thinking.
If you don't have faith in a religious sense that does not mean one automatically become a Nihilist. Nihilism is more then just a label, it is a world view, and one that most certainly does not fit the world views of many Atheists or similar. If a person doesn't believe, then they don't believe. Their are other views they need to hold before they truly qualify as Nihilist.
ni·hil·ism (n-lzm, n-)
n.
1. Philosophy
a. An extreme form of skepticism that denies all existence.
b. A doctrine holding that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.
2. Rejection of all distinctions in moral or religious value and a willingness to repudiate all previous theories of morality or religious belief.
3. The belief that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement.
4. also Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination.
5. Psychiatry A delusion, experienced in some mental disorders, that the world or one's mind, body, or self does not exist.
I think it' s nearly impossible for people to not have beliefs whatsoever. I believe a term is lacking. Atheism is compatible with religion/spirituality. It is the absence of belief in the existence of any gods, not the absence of religion, the absence of belief in the supernatural, the absence of superstitions, the absence of irrational beliefs, etc.
Originally posted by Storm
I think it' s nearly impossible for people to not have beliefs whatsoever. I believe a term is lacking. Atheism is compatible with religion/spirituality. It is the absence of belief in the existence of any gods, not the absence of religion, the absence of belief in the supernatural, the absence of superstitions, the absence of irrational beliefs, etc.
I would agree that some athiests have crazy (supernatural, superstitious) beliefs.
Athiest can be spiritual, but they cannot be religious, because you cant have a religion (an organized, structured, and indocrinated fiath centered around the existnace of a supernatural being) if you don'e belive in gods/conscious supernatural powers.
Atheists can also be irrational, but that being human. They just aren't irrational about gods.
Originally posted by Alliance
I would agree that some athiests have crazy (supernatural, superstitious) beliefs.Athiest can be spiritual, but they cannot be religious, because you cant have a religion (an organized, structured, and indocrinated fiath centered around the existnace of a supernatural being) if you don'e belive in gods/conscious supernatural powers.
Atheists can also be irrational, but that being human. They just aren't irrational about gods.
Not true. My religion is not based around a god. We do not worship; we practice in order to gain control over our lives. I personally believe that all things together are God, but I do not worship this God.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
ni·hil·ism (n-lzm, n-)
n.
1. Philosophy
a. An extreme form of skepticism that denies all existence.
b. A doctrine holding that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.
2. Rejection of all distinctions in moral or religious value and a willingness to repudiate all previous theories of morality or religious belief.
3. The belief that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement.
4. also Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination.
5. Psychiatry A delusion, experienced in some mental disorders, that the world or one's mind, body, or self does not exist.