Originally posted by beta ray bob
"this is not a popularity contest" like i said in my last post, devil jin is faster with more power than nightmare, he is more powerful than devil (kazuya) and devil kazuya could take nightmare without to much trouble
I don't debate due to popularity... nor because i like a character more... I debate wioth logic and common sense.
Devil Jin is not stronger or more powerful, and while he is faster, the margin of speed is not great, especially considering what Nightmare is wearing AND carrying.
Devil Kazuya is now more powerful than Nightmare? No... I see that as a separate debate. and IMO (An Oppinion I can back with the same proof that tounces DJ here) that Nightmare will destroy Deviul Kaz as well.
Originally posted by beta ray bob
yay we finally agreed on something!! 😄
Exactly, Darkstorm, Jin is only suspected to have such abilities (by a very few I might add), it's quite possible possible that the motorcycle ran into one of Jin's lasers or possible a punch or a kick, we can't just go "He used telekinesis and I'm basing this on absolutely nothing 'cause you don't see nothing and Jin has never used any telekinesis based attack EVER".
You get my point. 😬
poor abused kamikz..... and, icejaw "Jin has never used a telekinetic attack ever" BLASPHEMEY!!! he has, play dark ressurection, he can lift people by the neck, and since when does it matter if hwaorang wins the tournament, or not, that does not mean DJ doesn't have telekinesis, thats like saying "dante didn't kill one certain demon, so virgil can't move fast"
Originally posted by kamikzw00termm1
Oh, the monkeys are coming to town, in the shape of a person. Ohh, they're coming to town, and they're ripping it apart...."IceJaw forced me to write this 🙁"
Originally posted by beta ray bobWhen exactly does he do that? Is it a new move or is it something you just had to pick out from probably non canon ending? Uhhh, you can't be serious, of course it matters 'cause Tekken = the tournament. By your 'logic' (hysterical) everybodys' ending would be canon and then you would have seen Xaiyou trying to save Jin (or maybe it was Kazuya, I dunno) from being dropped into the canyon in the anime movie and who would be the owner of the Zaibatsu? Jin? 'Cause by your 'logic' his ending is also canon..wait, that means that Heihachi's ending is canon too and he sent Jin, Kazuya and his own father *cough*Jinpachi*cough* to outer space so those guys shouldn't even star in Dark resurrection and the would need a new final boss.
poor abused kamikz..... and, icejaw "Jin has never used a telekinetic attack ever" BLASPHEMEY!!! he has, play dark ressurection, he can lift people by the neck, and since when does it matter if hwaorang wins the tournament, or not, that does not mean DJ doesn't have telekinesis, thats like saying "dante didn't kill one certain demon, so virgil can't move fast"
That's ^ not logic, Bob -- That's complete crazyness.
Owned. doped
Originally posted by IceJaw
w00termm1When exactly does he do that? Is it a new move or is it something you just had to pick out from probably non canon ending? Uhhh, you can't be serious, of course it matters 'cause Tekken = the tournament. By your 'logic' (hysterical) everybodys' ending would be canon and then you would have seen Xaiyou trying to save Jin (or maybe it was Kazuya, I dunno) from being dropped into the canyon in the anime movie and who would be the owner of the Zaibatsu? Jin? 'Cause by your 'logic' his ending is also canon..wait, that means that Heihachi's ending is canon too and he sent Jin, Kazuya and his own father *cough*Jinpachi*cough* to outer space so those guys shouldn't even star in Dark resurrection and the would need a new final boss.
That's ^ not logic, Bob -- That's complete crazyness.
Owned. doped
For example, Hwoarang's Tekken 5 ending would have occured if Hwoarang won the tournament. The same thing applies to every character in the game. It may not be canonical, but it was still produced by the authors and can be used in debates. Now, if a certain character achieved a new power in a non-canonical ending, then we can't say that certain character has achieved that power canonically.
Though, if the character only displayed their default strengths and powers in a non-canonical ending, it can still be considered because it shows what that character is capable of.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
a very good reason why we don't allow non-canon material into debates, if you allow this, it opns the pandora's box, and everything non-canon will then have a say, for example, Akuma's Meteor crushing feat, Bison defeating Gill, MVC abilities get consideration...No, not cool.
Originally posted by beta ray bob
Yeah, Cloud
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
You're saying this yet you're completely fine with someone bringing up God Rugal in another topic? 😑
No, I didn't bring him up then. G.Rugal is Non-Canon, but you continued to debate him reguardless till he stomped all over Hayabusa, And is for some reason we are debating a Non- Canon character, only stuff performed duing that game, and, in the case of Rugal, the stuff of his previous forms. It's basically debating Omega with a lot extra power.
Don't try and turn what I say into one of those hypocrite arguments, if the Non Canon stuff is argued separately, or if it acts within the OP, then thats alright.