Team Tournament Information and Discussion Thread

Ok this is in response to Ill's and Scoobs idea about me not being able to debate for the Daxamite Constructs.

While it is true that they are a GL ability and are created by Kyle one important concept is being overlooked right here. These are not unintelligent Attacks or Constructs that have to rely on Kyle to move them they are creatures with their own minds and willpower. This means that while they are created by Kyle them being able to move and form their own ideas mean that they will also be able to follow commands given by Shaman and Juggernaut and understand them and not have to have permission from Kyle to do so.
This means that Shaman can get them to attack someone and Juggernaut can do the same which in turn means that my characters can debate for them as they will listen to their commands.
Thank you and have a good day

Here's the point newjak:

They don't have to rely on Kyle, they do have to rely on Blair Wind.

That's the point your missing.

The fact that the GL constructs can act independently does not supercede the fact that per the rules of this tournament and per your team's collective decision, Green Lantern Kyle Rayner is Blair Wind's character to argue, exclusively.

Your team is a roster of 3 character's. GL has the ability to add 5 more independently operating constructs to your roster, but they still fall under the category of a GL ability and a GL attack, and therefore they can only be argued by Blair Wind.

Shaman is the team character, and either of you can field any arguments regarding him, but as far as you stating what a construct that was created by Kyle is doing when your character is Juggernaut, per the rules, any argument of that nature is void.

You can argue Juggernaut, and you can argue Shaman. Anything pertaining to Green Lantern, and any subsequent actions/attacks/creations of constructs/acts of constructs, etc., fall soley on Blair Wind because GL is Blair Wind's character to argue.

You should have made Kyle the Team character and this situation would have been averted.

It's that simple.

I thought Digi agreed it was okay?

Or am I missing something?

Originally posted by H. S. 6
I thought Digi agreed it was okay?

Or am I missing something?

your not 😬

Yes, he is.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
This is information for anyone who’s interested. This isn’t a sign-up thread or a draft thread, so any attempts to do either will be ignored.

KMC Team Tourney (Hosted by the KMC Green Lantern Corps)

Format – We’ll have 8 teams of 2 people. You will need a partner to participate

Drafting – Each team will then draft 3 characters from comics (same rules as vs. forum…they have to primarily comic characters). Each member of the team will only be allowed to debate for one character. The 3rd character, either one can debate for. Example, if DigiMark and leonidas draft Spider-Man, Hercules, and Doop, they’d have to decide which goes to which (like only allowing Digi to debate for Spidey and Leo for Herc). Either could debate for Doop. Thus, to have the full team contributing, both team members have to debate well. Anything that you say that debates for the person you’re not allowed to debate for will be edited out by me. You MUST post a valid link to your character when you draft them (i.e. not wikipedia).

It's right there in the drafting rules for everyone to see.

Newjak's character is Juggernaut.

Blair Wind's character is GL Kyle Rayner.

The "Team" character is Shaman.

Newjak can only argue for Juggernaut or Shaman.

Blair Wind can only argue for Kyle Rayner or Shaman.

I'm not making this up to be a d*ck, it's spelled out plainly in the rules.

Digi OK'd it 😐

However, it doenst matter. Me and newjak agreed to just let me deal with them. If people are going to get all bent outa shape even when the director says its ok, then we'll just let it go.

Directors make mistakes ... 😐

Originally posted by illadelph12
It's right there in the drafting rules for everyone to see.

Newjak's character is Juggernaut.

Blair Wind's character is GL Kyle Rayner.

The "Team" character is Shaman.

Newjak can only argue for Juggernaut or Shaman.

Blair Wind can only argue for Kyle Rayner or Shaman.

I'm not making this up to be a d*ck, it's spelled out plainly in the rules.

It's not spelled out plainly in the rules, though. That's where you're wrong. It's a matter of interpretation.

In my opinion, these 5 constructs, since they have free will, should be able to be controlled by either debator. It seems to me as if they can be considered 5 more (open) team members. 😬

Thanks for understandin Hotsauce....but whatever. Its a moot point. Ill take care of all the constructs, Kyle, and Shaman.

Lets just drop it 😬

Originally posted by H. S. 6
It's not spelled out plainly in the rules, though. That's where you're wrong. It's a matter of interpretation.

In my opinion, these 5 constructs, since they have free will, should be able to be controlled by either debator. It seems to me as if they can be considered 5 more (open) team members. 😬

Wrong.

They (the Daxamite Constructs) were created by Green Lantern. Anything Green Lantern related can only be argued by Blair Wind, regardless of the fact they were created with free will.

If Green Lantern was the team character, either of them could argue what happens with Green Lantern and his powers/constructs. However, that is not the case.

They chose Shaman as their team character, and therefore Shaman is the only character whose abilities are accessible to both debators.

GL is Blair Wind's.

Juggernaut is Newjak's.

Shaman can be debated by either.

That's the rule.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Lets just drop it 😬

I agree with BW it isn't worth the hassle when he can just as easily debate the same arguements I would.

I just want to make sure we're clear on the point, that's all. I'm not being like this to be a d*ck, I'm just trying to be fair and impartial, following the rules.

Man I just saw that someone posted in our match and I was hopeing it was Khell or KVD but no it was just Digi

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm just trying to be fair and impartial, following the rules.

Same here. My apologies if I offend anyone...it's certainly not intended.

If Blair/Newjak want to try that idea, provided it stays within the limits of construct-creation we've set up so far, that's fine. But I can't have people talking about characters that don't belong to them. Let Blair deal with teh construct-related stuff. I had to edit some stuff from newjak's post to enforce the team-character-rule-thingy (most is still there though).

And I have to read the entire thing. What's a daxamite? And how are they fully functional GLs? Damn...I was just hoping to avoid controversy, but I guess I'll have to read up a bit more.

Alright, so they're Kryptonian-esque monster-dudes that Kyle has "summoned" before (for lack of a better term)??

For one, these are literally other creatures, not constructs. We specified independent constructs, but these aren't anything of the sort....they're actually other sentient creatures. It would be like teleporting Wonder Woman to the battle to help out.

I like the ingenuity, really. And I think there's plenty of solid points other than that too in their argument. But this seems like it is going to be something we can't allow. The golem example was a natural extension of Shaman's power, and it was assumed that if, say, Shaman died the golems would cease to be because the source of their magic is gone.

But this literally makes it 8-on-3. If Kyle dies, the Daxamites are still there in full force.

Blair and newjak are going to hate me. I'm sorry guys, but it's just pushing too far, and I can't fathom how we'd justify another living creature as merely an independent 'construct'.

....

If anyone thinks I'm missing something, please lemme know.

Just sent you a pm explaining it fully. If Kyle dies so do they 😬 They really ARE constructs. Even though they are alive, sentient, and independent.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
But this literally makes it 8-on-3. If Kyle dies, the Daxamites are still there in full force.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Just sent you a pm explaining it fully. If Kyle dies so do they 😬 They really ARE constructs. Even though they are alive, sentient, and independent.

Hmmm. Ok. *such confusion*

Any other (unbiased) thoughts?

This technically doesn't break any rules. The 5 independent constructs rule we set isn't being broken, and technically GLs, by their very nature, can create multiple constructs. These are just a bit more advanced than most, but I'd still think they're hardly the level of a normal GL (but that's for the judges to decide).

Just make sure the right people are arguing for them from now on...I don't want to have to edit any more posts.