Wonder Woman vs. Jean Grey

Started by RisingStorm10 pages

errr...I think its unfair to consider Jean without Phoenix against Wonder Woman. It would be fair if it would be Early Jean vs. Early Wonder Woman with that invisible jet crap...I guess it would be fair.

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Originally posted by LethalFemme
Isn't WW immune to telepathy and doesn't using it on her give the user a backlash?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's something along the lines of her seeing with the eyes of Pallas and thus being immune to telepathy if I recall.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She can see through all deception so it would make sense that telepathic communication, it's basically communication of thoughts, should be fine while being immune to mental illusions, mind control etc. Not sure about whether it extends psi-blasts, but one could say that they're essentially a basic form of mind control(?) making someone feel pain that isn't really there...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh well the means of her immunity as I understand it is that the way in which her sight was restored was that she was granted the eyes of the goddess, Pallas-Athena.

Originally posted by Draco69
Wrong actually. She regularly faces two uber-telepaths who don't do dipshit to her in telepathy. Including psy-blasts. Doctor Psycho and Tri-Maid.

Wonder Woman was always (though every JLA comic forgets it....) immune to telepathy simply do to the fires of Hestia's Truth she holds in her mind.

In her own comic, Martian Manhunter has failed to read or attack Diana's mind simply because of this gift. As well as Hector Hammond and Doctor Psycho.

Diana got a upgrade with the Eyes of Pallas which boosts her telepathic immunity (people CAN read or speak with her telepathically as long as she allows it) AND gave her a semi-cosmic awareness depending on where she looks.

She sees with a god's eyes and understands with a god's wisdom. Which makes her immune to any and all forms of telepathy.

Also if she channels her Spirit of Truth while holding her lasso, she's even immune to the psychic manipulations of the gods, Neron and even the likes of Heaven itself.

Wonder Woman would win a speedblitz anyway.

Originally posted by Draco69
I disagree that her shields simply won't be overcome due to extreme stress or outright shattered.

Wonder Woman once managed to tow 1/3 of the Earth's mass against the Sun's gravity AND Genyome's magic. That's several billion, million quintillion tons. Literally. Perhaps a slight exaggeration but you get the point

Now let's apply simple physics. Diana is capable to lift and press the weight above making her unbelievably strong. Her greatest speed feat was being able reach the SpeedForce to prevent Jesse Quick from killing a villain which requires at least lightspeed.

Now IMAGINE a person with Diana's strength level hitting Jean's shields at near-lightspeed. Imagine the amount of force she would be hitting Jean's shields with. Every blow would be like Hiroshima squared, timed by 1000 and squared again.

I have faith in Jean to deflect a normal blow from Diana. But a blow coming THAT fast and THAT hard? Nuh-uh. That shield's coming down and Jean will explode like a melon when Diana directly hits her.

Northstar had NORMAL human strength and only hit people at Mach 3. Can you imagine Diana.

Also, Jean will have a very hard time tracking Diana due to her massive speed difference and reaction time difference. Diana will be ahead of Jean by several hundred steps.

Also the lasso has the ability to dispel all shields if wrapped around it or used as a whip.

Originally posted by Draco69
Diana doesn't need to leave the Earth's atmosphere to gain momentum. She just has to go between the space between A to B. Which Jean's face. Which will explode.

Diana's speed is magical. She can go as fast as she wants instantly. (Wonder Woman #69)

Who has she held her shields held against that's worthy of mention? Like the Hulk or Silver Surfer. I know her shields are strong. But I doubt they could sustain thousands of near-lightspeed blows from a woman who can literally tote the moon....

And as stated before the lasso (which only Diana command if she sees it fit; even Hecate tried to magically command the lasso with magical TK but failed to do so because Diana made it not to) can dispel any shield. Even the shields of a god or the Imperiux probes.

What's stopping from Jean holding Diana still? Speed and strength. Diana is too fast for Jean to capture her.
"Oops. She was there just a second ago."

As for a wide area effect, Diana has the Eyes of Pallas which acts as a semi-cosmic awareness. The moment Jean goes read, Diana will instantly know what's she's going to do and high tail it out of there.

Also factor in, Diana's sheer arsenal such as the Invisible Plane that would heal Diana when needed and supply her with any weapons she needs. Another is the Head of Medousa which if whipped out will instantly turn Jean to stone.

Originally posted by Draco69
You don't understand the concept of speedblitz. By the time Jean finishes completing the thought to think "This woman is a speedster" and "I'll use a radius attack!", Diana will already be on her like white on rice and be bashing her shields at all sides with near-Superman strength at tremendous speeds. Her shields are going down.

We also are failing to recognize the verstatility of WW's arsenal. Like a nifty telepathic Invisible Plane and multitude of other weapons such as the Head of Medousa...which would end the battle instantly.

A nifty strategy is to encase herself in the Invisible Plane and become completely undetectable to Jean (even Martian Manhunter was unable to detect Diana in her IP AND it's telepathic prowess managed to knock him out...) thus making her even more impossible to track down.

A practically-invisible (to Jean) woman with superspeed with literal invisiblity? Ouch.

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The match isn't fair anymore if WW is going to use all that she has. If WW is going to use many of her weapons then Jean should be at her power level when she ripped the Phoenix force out of Emma's body.

shocklaugh@ ExodusCloak's arguments for Jean.

Using shit from X-men: The Last Stand.

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