Originally posted by diabloman
carnage is a serial killer for crying out loud so yes hes the most evil
And?
Joker is a serial killer.
Billy Kincaid is a serial killer.
Lawbringer QZTR is not only a serial killer, he's killed entire civilizations. Carnage doesn't even come close in terms of being mass murderer.
Urizen has killed demons, angels, humans, etc. on a much higher scale than Carnage.
Nice Try, fanboy 😉
Originally posted by Lord Urizenjoker 1st likes to entertain others and be the head of attention then he starts the killing. carange doesnt do all that BS he kills somone no matter what. hes not gonna go doing tricks and all that like joker does. PS. everyone on here is a fanboy so i can careless if u call me one or not
And?Joker is a serial killer.
Billy Kincaid is a serial killer.
Lawbringer QZTR is not only a serial killer, he's killed entire civilizations. Carnage doesn't even come close in terms of being mass murderer.
Urizen has killed demons, angels, humans, etc. on a much higher scale than Carnage.
Nice Try, fanboy 😉
Originally posted by diabloman
joker 1st likes to entertain others and be the head of attention then he starts the killing. carange doesnt do all that BS he kills somone no matter what. hes not gonna go doing tricks and all that like joker does. PS. everyone on here is a fanboy so i can careless if u call me one or not
1) Carnage is definately on par with Joker, if not worse, in my opinion, so on that I agree.
2) Fanboy....that's a joke. Lighten up.
3) Carnage does not compare to Urizen or QZTR (well atleast not to me...do you even know enough about these two?)
Originally posted by Lord Urizeni know plenty. carnage is a much better fighter and he kills just for the hell of it. he doesnt give a damn if he sees some hot chick he will still kick her ass. joker would start flirting with her at 1st then take some action
1) Carnage is definately on par with Joker, if not worse, in my opinion, so on that I agree.2) Fanboy....that's a joke. Lighten up.
3) Carnage does not compare to Urizen or QZTR (well atleast not to me...do you even know enough about these two?)
Originally posted by diabloman
id put goblin way down the list. he only kill when hes in the mood or something like that.
Have you seen the stuff he does to **** with Peter's life? He even ****s up his own children's life to get to his enemy.
And he has killed people before with no qualms too that isn't related to Spider-man.
Originally posted by Sixth_Wingedhe kills others for a reason. carnage does it just for the hell of it.
Have you seen the stuff he does to **** with Peter's life? He even ****s up his own children's life to get to his enemy.And he has killed people before with no qualms too that isn't related to Spider-man.
Originally posted by diabloman
he kills others for a reason. carnage does it just for the hell of it.
Just because you kill for a reason doesn't make you any less evil. Hitler kills jews because he hates them whole-heartedly and is a racist. Him orchestrating the holocaust because he knows what he wants and does it doesn't make him any less evil than serial killers. In fact, killing while sane makes you more evil in a sense, not that Green Goblin is sane of course.
Originally posted by Sixth_Wingedmagneto is a killer. he goes after all the humans or others that get in his way. but he doesnt go attacking the world just for the hell of it. that doesnt make him the most evil. carnage is way on the other side there.
Just because you kill for a reason doesn't make you any less evil. Hitler kills jews because he hates them whole-heartedly and is a racist. Him orchestrating the holocaust because he knows what he wants and does it doesn't make him any less evil than serial killers. In fact, killing while sane makes you more evil in a sense, not that Green Goblin is sane of course.
Originally posted by diabloman
magneto is a killer. he goes after all the humans or others that get in his way. but he doesnt go attacking the world just for the hell of it. that doesnt make him the most evil. carnage is way on the other side there.
Yes, because he has a cause and in his mind, what he was doing was virtuous and rightful. He has endured persecution himself and was also seeing others mutants suffering. And if you read his appearances, you'd know he regret the lives he had taken away and have actual remorse after he realized his folly.
That is different from trying to annihilate an entire race because you hate them. Early Mags might be considered "evil" since he believed mutants should be dominating earth instead of humans which was akin to the above. His character was fleshed out later on and shows he isn't as two-dimensional as he was being characterized in the past.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenTruth is, it seems you just have something against a religious standpoint as a whole given the way you've been in several threads and tried to attack me for it... even ones having to do with religious characters . . kind of like Lucifer in this one. . .or Spectre in another.
Oh Boy, here we go again.You're point is invalid because:
1) Lucifer from Vertigo comics is not entirely based on the Lucifer from the Bible, quite infact in a Lucifer biography, Lucifer is tired of the reputation that mortals percieve of him to be. He is tired of the "Bible" and other religions misrepresenting him.
2) Lucifer is evil in the calculating way yes. But you say he is most evil, basically because he goes against the Creator. Don't ALL of these villians go against the so called "creator" since they are all evil? What is your point?
3) Your point is purely religious bias.....You brought up the Bible as a reason, and the Bible does not support anything about Lucifer from Vertigo comics, simply for reason # 1.
4) MY definition of evil is religious bias as well? I am not religious, so where are you getting at? How do you figure? I am looking at the characters themselves, and then explaining who i think is the most evil and why....i included nothing but comic book fact into this, while you brough the Bible up,...and your best reason for why you think Lucifer is most evil is because he is against Yahweh...o0o0o wow...big deal, as if no one ever did anything against God on this list 🙄
And it's entirely clear you've never read a full Lucifer storyline before. Only researched a small bit on them. I on the other hand own the entire series, seperate one shots, and tie ins. I even own the mini 'prelude' comic that came before the series was launched. My contribution was wholly credible, and he's far more evil than these characters. He built his own version of creation off of the entire idea of "Anti-God", "Anti Religion" which is wholle evil at it's finest. Hell, he started war with god at the dawn of creation.
You seem to think wanton destruction and destructive characteristics make something 'evil', which is not always true at all. Characters like Joker aren't evil, he does evil acts yes, but not in a willing nature. He's just crazy. The Lawbrings likewise do some evil acts, but aren't just evil characters, they do what they were created to do, by their Universes' god-figure. Hell, those two don't even hold a candle when concerning evilness to Lex Luthor, let alone Lucifer.
Originally posted by Juntai
Truth is, it seems you just have something against a religious standpoint as a whole given the way you've been in several threads and tried to attack me for it... even ones having to do with religious characters . . kind of like Lucifer in this one. . .or Spectre in another.
1) I never attacked you, stop being a drama queen
2) I have a problem with a religious standpoint in a comic book forum? YOU're DAMN RIGHT I DO ! This is a comic book forum, not a religion forum. If you wanna preach, go to the religion forum, don't bring it here.
You used the Bible as "Evidense" for your justification of declaring Lucifer the most evil, and i told u that's invalid, bcuz the Bible has no place here.....Vertigo's Lucifer is not entirely based on the Bible, i already told u this and u ignore that point.
You also ignored all my other points about Vertigo's Lucifer....nice job.
POINT IS: You declared Lucifer the most evil for two reasons: The Bible says so, and he defies God
1) The Bible is not valid in comic book forum, not in this case
2) EVERY villian on this list defies God in some way...
Originally posted by Juntai
And it's entirely clear you've never read a full Lucifer storyline before. Only researched a small bit on them. I on the other hand own the entire series, seperate one shots, and tie ins. I even own the mini 'prelude' comic that came before the series was launched. My contribution was wholly credible, and he's far more evil than these characters. He built his own version of creation off of the entire idea of "Anti-God", "Anti Religion" which is wholle evil at it's finest. Hell, he started war with god at the dawn of creation.
1) I have read much of the Lucifer series, I own the CRUX graphic novel
2) Anti God , Anti Religion...so what, been there, done that. Mammon, Urizen, and QZTR have done muchh crueler and sicker things than that.
I saw Lucifer create a new universe, and tell Adam and Eve that they must worship no one. o0o0o0o0o HOW EVIL 🙄 What a sicko he was for doing that !
Started war with God at the Dawn of creation huh? NOW THIS may qualify.....as evil. But not most evil.
URIZEN's presense REQUIRED an alliance between God and Satan, between Heaven and Hell......it dont get more evil than that.
Originally posted by Juntai
You seem to think wanton destruction and destructive characteristics make something 'evil', which is not always true at all. Characters like Joker aren't evil, he does evil acts yes, but not in a willing nature. He's just crazy. The Lawbrings likewise do some evil acts, but aren't just evil characters, they do what they were created to do, by their Universes' god-figure. Hell, those two don't even hold a candle when concerning evilness to Lex Luthor, let alone Lucifer.
The Lawbringers are no more evil than Lex Luthor ? 🤨 are you on CRACK ???????????? What as Lex Luthor done that's more evil than anything the Lawbringers have done???????????????????????????
The Lawbringers are NOT programmed genuis ! They have FREE WILL......one of the Lawbringers even rebelled against Charon himself.
Joker is crazy AND evil. He is on par with Carnage. Yet insanity comes first before evil in this case.
I do not define evil as being destructive....i define it as being CRUEL and SADISTIC.......you define it as defying God's will. QZTR, URIZEN, and Billy Kidncaid definately fall into this.
Lucifer from Vertigo IS evil, but his cruelty and sadism are NOTHING compared to some of the others on this list.
Lawbringer QZTR
1) He flattened a prisoner to intensely that the prisoner's body was stretched across 3 continents.
2) Killed a Goddess by teleporting inside her and "spiking" his way out of her body, resulting in the internal shredding of her body.
3) Flattened another prisoner with his hand, by pummeling and "stapelling" him to the ground
4) Shot a lazer to cut a hole through a man's chest
5) Telekinetically turned a troll inside out by squishing his feet, squishing his legs upward so that his blood built upward, his organs came vomitting out of his mouth, he basically "rolled up" the troll's skin like toilet paper.
6) Destroyed several planets
7) Melted innocent people with his powers
8) squashed runaway prisoners like bugs for boredom
9) impaled a woman with his fingers
10) has done evil things so unspeakable, that he even claimed that the word "murderer" barely begins to describe him. "There is no language Dark Enough to describe what we are" is what he told a Godlike being after he killed his wife.
Well i'm sounds like Urizen is the almost evil being in Image. I haven't really heard anyone say Lucifer himself got into it with Urizen in Image and never heard of Images God ever really getting into it with Urizen either. There forces combined stopped him. It could be set up in a way that God and Lucifer(Image) did not get involved because they was busy with other things, and let there army's take care of Urizen. Lucifer (DC) could beat all of DC Hell easily, he also went to DC Heaven and before stepping foot there was warned by the angels they all would fight him. He then ignored them and was on his way to talk to Michael and they got in the way and he told them he would kill them if they didn't get out of the way. They then stepped aside. Very hard to say though. 😮💨
I know he's very minor, but Seth the Six Billion Dollar Bastard was very, very evil. He had no apreciation of human life, and casually enjoyed killing, torture, pedophillia etc.
Not a nice guy, is what I'm trying to say. What made him the most evil in my mind, was he just did it, without finesse, like it didn't matter at all.