Borbarad
Advocatus Diaboli
Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's unclear if the statement is if-then, or if killing the Sith King was the cowing...it was probably a combo of both, we should compromise and quit arguing that.
Dude. When the sentece says that the Sith were cowed by the Dark Jedi's force powers, technology and lightsaber than exactly this was the case. They rated them as "godlike" and when the Sith ruler (godlike) was killed by the Dark Jedi the Sith thought that the Dark Jedi must be even more powerful than their old gods.
By who, Kreia? Ragnos might be a half-breed, but I don't see the logical basis of that considering by Ragnos's time, there wouldn't be anyone to crossbreed with, unless half-breeds stuck to half-breeds for a long time. Even those who still bore 'true Jedi blood' were Sith...naga himself was a crossbreed and had one of the purest lineages in the empire but he is noticeably Sith.
You simply refuse the easiest explanations. Obviously there is the theory that the more Jedi blood somebody has the more powerful he must be, correct ? Now two little facts:
a) Such theories or ideologies don't come from nowhere.
b) Ragnos obviously was more powerful than all other Sith Lords.
Now think for yourself. If the theory that "more Jedi blood = better force user" came up when the Jedi landed on the planet they would have tried to keep their blood "pure" - meaning: Have children with the other Jedi instead of interbreding with the Sith. Combined with the mentioned ability to prolong their natural lifetime there might very well have been people with 100 % "pure" Jedi blood in Ragnos time or right before it.
Now Sadow has one of the "strongest" bloodlines in the Empire but Ragnos was still more powerful. And since they both stick to the "the more Jedi blood the better" idea, Ragnos must have possessed more Jedi blood than all others including Sadow. And since the fact that he was a "half-blood" seems to be unusual it's very well possibly that he had a mother / father with 100 % Jedi blood.
I might remember you that one single ship filled with Jedi was the basis for Haruun Kals entire population and we saw that most if not all Koruunai are force sensitives to a certain extend.
The date for Ambria's destruction is 4002 BBY, by this time, by NADD'S time, the Sith species and Empire was gone from the galaxy. Abel's article confirmed this. And yes, this is now a continuity error explained by the Jedi being wrong and Nadd finding Adas's holocron on Arshas Ree...Abel retconned this and fixed the error.
Irrelevant missdirections. It doesn't matter if the "Witch" on Ambria belonged to the Sith species or the former Sith Empire. Fact is she used Sith teachings to do what she did.
Once more: bane's force pulse wiped out Ruusan in the ritual, assuming the female Sith Lord still even exists, nothing's saying she didn't do the same in a ritual with her followers...and Bane's own power was sufficient to wipe out Ruusan's surface and he'd intended to destroy the Jedi.
This is simply dumb, Lightsnake. It's nothing said about any "followers" of the female Sith Lord on Ambria and much less there isn't any hint of a "ritual" existing. Thon simply visited the planet, they fought and the Sith destroyed all live on the planet except Thon and some Dark Side creatures (and possibly herself) with said attack. Bane's force pulse was still a ritual. And read the comics again please...Bane wanted to destroy the Jedi with a force storm using the combined power of all Sith being at Ruusan.
I forget, where'd Anderson say anything? It's said in other sources that Sadow used sith technology and 'Sith power' where in others, the electrical weapon and since we see Alema Keto use the ship in a very similar manner,,,
And again: Wrong. The weapon of the ship requires physical contact to the crystaline structure which seems to be the weapon control, as we see when Aleema is using it. In the beginning of DLotS you can see that Sadow is raising both hands and then simply forms them to fists - destroying the ships following him. He obviously didn't use the weapon.
Aside of this the effect is totally different. Sadow is creating some solar flares at one point and he's causing a chain reaction inside the star when using the weapon while Aleema pulled the core of the star of and threw it at the Jedi forces attacking her, causing a supernova in the end.
If they had them cowed, why trap and kill the king? It was the death of the Jen'Ari that convinced the Sith the Jedi were Gods, why exactly is killing the king not what the article was referring to when it said the Jen'Jidai cowed them as the one sentence follows the other?
They needed the king dead for two reasons:
a) They were put on the same level as the king himself. To take the Sith over they needed to be above him.
b) It's much easier to get rid of the "political" enemy by deception than through direct confrontation as Sidious has perfectly shown us in all instances of the PT.
Where was this 'unique' knowledge in other holocrons exactly? Given the lack of Sith holocrons as a whole, and that Adas's holocron was the most precious relic to the Sith, containing...over a hundred thousand years of history, culture and power...Where exactly are these ;unqiue' holocrons? I have the feeling Adas's holocron was a bit better than whatever Odan got...or the wall stacked full of forgotten Sith holocrons, or the numerous Sith holocrons Volfe Karkko and Nikkos Tyris used...
Wow...first there is a "lack" of Sith holocrons and then there are "numerous" Sith holocrons ? How do you want to say anything about their "quality" if you don't know what they contained ?
In times of the Sith War the only known Sith holocron was the one Odan-Urr kept. This holocron contained historical information dating back to 100,000 BBY. Then we have Tulak Hords holocron possibly containing his unique lightsaber form which made him the "lightsaber god". We have Darth Andeddus holocron that still was on Korriban in the PT era. We have Atris collecting dozens of Sith holocrons. We have those that were stored inside the Jedi temple on Coruscant (possibly identical with those Atris collected ?) and of course we have multiple holocrons in the Sith academy on Korriban in the KotoR games as well.
And now it's getting really funny. Adas lived around 28,000 BBY correct ? So how can a holocron he created contain history dating back 100,000 years ? Either that stuff was installed by the Rakatan (and even they had no history dating back those far) or we would have rather inaccurate statements about the Sith history. I mean - those people were primitives. What knowledge could they had have about a time period more than 70,000 years in the past. Some informations about force powers ? Very unlikely.
Then there is the little fact that at least some Sith Lords created their own holocrons to store some unique knowledge in them - stuff that was invented by them. And those seem to have been lost in rather huge numbers. Considering that one of this holocrons was the entire base of the knowledge the NSE (+what they found on Korriban which was plundered several times before) it seems that those other holocrons still contained some nice amount of knowledge. Enough to figure out something like the thought bomb or force storms.
Sorry to say that - but somehow Adas holocron looks like a "cultural artifact" or a myth than a real source of outstanding Sith knowledge in terms of force powers, Sith magic or Sith alchemy.
And once more: There's nothing saying that the battles between the rakata and the Sith involved force power or the Sith knowledge of the Dark Side exceeded the Rakata/...we just know there were some vicious, bloody battles led by Adas using his axe, where the Rakata force was massacred and Adas died. [/B]
And another stupid statement: We know already that the Rakatan's "Art of War" was heavily based upon force use as almost all their technology was force based. We also know that the final collapse of the Infinite Empire happened in 25,200 BBY. The fight against the Sith happened right after the construction of the Star Forge when the Empire was basically at it's high point.
Now we still have a species of force user which number is stated to have been 10 billion and one trillion slaves spread over 500 planets.
As we know the Sith couldn't have been able to overcome the Rakatan with superior technology or firepower and it's pretty save to assume that they weren't able to outnumber them. Aside of this guerilla warfare against force sensitives is pretty useless. So...what other chance did the Sith have ? Somehow only superior force powers and possibly superior physical strength come to my mind. And given the fact that this was a fight between two force sensitive species it's almost unlikely that no force powers were used there - and the Sith possibly had some nice advantage there with their Sith magic that was almost entirely focussed on destruction (at least as we've seen it being used so far) while the Rakatan blended it with their technology.