Originally posted by Lightsnake
Except the Dark Jedi were Gods simply because they tricked and killed the Sith king at the time and their bloodlines diluted and watered down the power of the race, even moreso as a result of their ruthless divisions of the caste system.
Oh please, Lightsnake. Use some common sense. You really think that you can "trick" an entire race of quite skilled force users into worshipping you because of your uber force powers by just tricking and killing one of them ?
And then the bloodlines (of the Dark Jedi ?) diluted and watered down ? I like how Rangos mentioned that some of them started interbreeding with the Sith and those terms are used in a Nazi like way - with some Harry Potter attitude. Half-blood ? Pure blood ? Come on. We saw people with pure Sith blood (Adas) being quite powerful - at least he seems to be from the description while Ragnos basically states that "the more true Jedi blood you have, the better". And then he mentions how Sadow (or Kressh ? - don't remember) has very much Jedi blood in veins. Considering that he is called a half-blood at least one of his parents would have been 100 % human.
and the Sith WERE primitive, Adas died defeating the Rakata. And Adas was considered probably the most powerful Dark Lord in the Sith history, leading to his deification
It's nice how he can be the greatest "Dark Lord" before said title was even invented. He was one of their most powerful rulers in this era, yes. Not to mention that you are basically supporting my point - the only thing they had to defend themselves from the Rakatan was the force (Sith Magic) and they managed to defeat them even though the Rakatan were a race of force users too and equippid with far superior technology.
And no force knowledge? Nadd learned from it and gained power from it...te culture of the Sith, even as primitive was built up with the Dark Side before the Dark Jedi even arrived.
Eh ? The point is that the original Sith are primitive and more "shamanistic" or "religious" when using the Dark Side - meaning a ritualized form of usage instead of direct action. Hence that was called Sith magic and the actual force using caste was a "priest caste".
And in this situation the Dark Jedi with their ability to use the force instantly had an advantage. Possibly Adas was able to do that too, hence being threatened like a god among his people. It's simply more impressive if one just raises his hands and has some supernatural action going on compared to somebody who starts "praying" or using some "ritual" to receive effect X.
So what would "Sith knowledge" give a "modern" force user when he basically has to use it their way (making it quite unsuitable in direct confrontation) or blend it with his own way to use the force ?
Originally posted by Borbarad
[B]Oh please, Lightsnake. Use some common sense. You really think that you can "trick" an entire race of quite skilled force users into worshipping you because of your uber force powers by just tricking and killing one of them ?
"Eventually, almost two-dozen millennia after Adas' death, a proper successor to Adas seemed to come at last. Known in Republic space as the Exiles, traitorous Jedi defeated in a galactic war called the Hundred-Year Darkness arrived on Korriban and cowed the Sith people with their astounding Force abilities, lightsabers, and superior technology. With the help of the ruling king's Shadow Hand, these Jen'jidai, as the Sith called them, lured the Sith monarch into their confidence and destroyed him. Never anticipating this stunning sequence of events, the Sith people concluded that the dark Jedi were themselves more powerful gods than even the Sith'ari. Bestowing the Exiles with Adas' holocron, the reign of the first Jen'ari, or "Dark Lord" of the Sith began."
Sorry, but a combination of the dark Jedi mastery, plus their technology and killing the Sith King...it's written there, BLACK AND WHITE. And to quote TOTJ: "Some of them interbred with the Sith watering down powerful bloodlines." And all Ragnos says is some of them interbred and some still bear true Jedi Blood. Naga even had minimal Sith blood.
And considering by Ragnos's time, not a single full human was left alive...Oh, and Adas was the Jen'Ari...meaning Dark Lord. dathka Graush was a DLOTS as well, just before or prior to the reign of the first fully human DLOTS.
And Sith magic was simply the dark side abilities they used in a generalization. King Ommin used Sith Magic that Nadd taught him that Nadd learned from Naga and Adas's holocron which was passed down and gained more knowledge and inside power on the way. And considering the Sith magic and Sith spells we've seen have worked instantaneously and in other cases ritualized, it could easily be both. nThe dark Jedi were worshipped because of their technology and their murder of the reigning Jen'Ari, that simple
And oh, are the Ewoks godly? They beat the Empire...the Wookies beat the Trandoshans, too...
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sorry, but a combination of the dark Jedi mastery, plus their technology and killing the Sith King...it's written there, BLACK AND WHITE.
As I read here they "cowed" the Sith with their force mastery, lightsabers and technology already. Why do they need to manipulate the king then ? They did, yes...doesn't mean they had to ?
And to quote TOTJ: "Some of them interbred with the Sith watering down powerful bloodlines." And all Ragnos says is some of them interbred and some still bear true Jedi Blood. Naga even had minimal Sith blood.
Yes. Some. I wonder what the others did. And I love how you completely ignored my comments on Ragnos nice "blood lines watering down" theory.
And considering by Ragnos's time, not a single full human was left alive...
I like to see your source for this especially if only "some" of the original (human ?) Dark Jedi did interbred with the Sith. Ragnos is talking about Jedi blood which doesn't necesserily equal human blood in an universe filled with hundrets of different species. And do you really think that Ragnos father / mother was the last non-Sith being in the entire Sith Empire ? Very unlikely.
Oh, and Adas was the Jen'Ari...meaning Dark Lord. dathka Graush was a DLOTS as well, just before or prior to the reign of the first fully human DLOTS.
Interesting. Is this why the article states that: "Bestowing the Exiles with Adas' holocron, the reign of the first Jen'ari, or "Dark Lord" of the Sith began." ? So the first Dark Lord was one of the Dark Jedi that came to Korriban meaning this title was "invented" then.
And Sith magic was simply the dark side abilities they used in a generalization. King Ommin used Sith Magic that Nadd taught him that Nadd learned from Naga and Adas's holocron which was passed down and gained more knowledge and inside power on the way. And considering the Sith magic and Sith spells we've seen have worked instantaneously and in other cases ritualized, it could easily be both.
The small problem here is that all Sith Magic we see getting used was already "modified". Think about the Witches of Dathomir when Luke encounters them first. They have pretty powerful individuals there - still only the most powerful ones could levitate a lightsaber which is a pretty easy thing to do using the force.
Yet even in times of the NSE some sorts of force use still required a ritual (as Bane and Kaan both did use for their actions) while we see ancient Sith doing basically the same stuff while fighting Jedi (the female Sith on Ambria) or using some mere gestures.
And I like how you simply claim that more "useful" knowledge was stored in the holocron. First the thing was "lost" for at least 3,400 years (between Nadd's rule on Onderon and the moment Bane rediscovered it) and then we see all force powers being used in the "modern" era dating back to the ancient time period. Not to mention it's quite senseless for Sidious to write a Dark Side Compendium if he already had stored everything in a holocron and all he had to do was to add his own thougts and comments.
The dark Jedi were worshipped because of their technology and their murder of the reigning Jen'Ari, that simple
Yes...let's just ingore their "astounding Force abilities" that made the Sith think they had found proper sucessors for Adas.
And oh, are the Ewoks godly? They beat the Empire...the Wookies beat the Trandoshans, too...
As I said: Dumb comparison.
1)
The Rakatan were a species of force users and considering the facts that they used the force to manouver their ships, built some "force based" artifact in the size of a space station and invented holocrons they were considerably good at what they were doing. In contrary to Stormtroopers that can't even shoot straight.
2)
The Empire didn't care about the Ewoks if they even noticed them. Since they could built some traps right in front of the Imperial forces on Endor I guess they weren't noticed before. The Rakatan "taught" the Sith.
3)
Rakatan vs Sith wasn't guerilla warfare happening on a jungle planet with the Sith receiving back-up from forces with equal technological knowledge, weapons and combat training (compared to the Rakatan) like it happened on Endor and a nice space fleet to keep the enemy forces in orbit busy. Have a look at ROTJ and watch how many Imperials get killed by Chewie in the AT-ST he took over, Han shooting from the bunker entrance and the Rebels who grapped some of the Imperial weapons.
That's like dropping a bunch of Yuuzhan Vong and NJO Jedi including DN Luke on Korriban to fight against the Rakatan together with the Sith and then say the Sith did win the battle on their own. Doesn't make sense.
4)
Just to answer the C-3PO point: If the Ewoks would have defeated the Imperials on their own in a straight military action and then would have elected C-3PO as their "god" because of his combat prowess or him killing their best warrior that would match the situation with Sith and Dark Jedi. Did that happen ? No. I don't think so.
Considering killing the reigning Jen'Ari convinced the Sith that the Dark Jedi were gods, I think that had a BIT to do with it,..
Great theory since Ragnos makes one little comment on it.
See any non-Sith being in the entirety of the empire? All the lords were either hybrids or full Sith. There hadn't been a Jedi left for centuries.
So, being a Sith KING, and Sith'Ari, Adas would be above a general DLOTS? Since many had been Sith Lords before Adas anyways. And Dathka Graush is called a DLOTS
Oh, please, saw 'saw' the Female Sith on Ambria? Or did she have a massive ritual with her followers prepared and unleash it when Thon confronted her? And Kaan set up the Thought Bomb by clapping his hands. Bane utilized the other Sith to increase the power of the attack to a FAR greater scale than global. When did the Sith Lords in the Ancient Empire do things 'with a gesture' now?
And Palpatine had plenty of Holocrons before he started writing the Compendium....and Adas's holocron fell into his hands as well. There's a difference between a book and a holocron and Lumiya's rumored to have one of the holocrons Palpatine possessed.
The astounding force abilities like...killing the Sith King with help from his treacherous numero dos?
And once more, there is zero proof how Adas and the Sith won the battle against the Rakatans. especially considering Adas died in the fighting and was stated to have used his battle axe in the battles.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Considering killing the reigning Jen'Ari convinced the Sith that the Dark Jedi were gods, I think that had a BIT to do with it,..
The Dark Jedi scared the **** out of them with their force powers, lightsabers and superior technology already. So what need did they have to "cooperate" with the king anyways ?
Great theory since Ragnos makes one little comment on it.
Excuse me - but you were using this comment to conclude a "weakness" due to "powerful bloodlines watering down" among the ancient Sith.
See any non-Sith being in the entirety of the empire? All the lords were either hybrids or full Sith. There hadn't been a Jedi left for centuries.
Wow. Because we see so much of the Empire, right ? Most of the action is limited to the Council Chamber, the Council Members and their bases. Not to mention that one single being of a certain species is a very unlikely situation. Same with the idea that people not interbred with the Sith for 2,000 years and then suddenly did so.
So, being a Sith KING, and Sith'Ari, Adas would be above a general DLOTS? Since many had been Sith Lords before Adas anyways. And Dathka Graush is called a DLOTS
I love how you take everything of newer sources as absolute canon and keep saying "retcon" when said retcon fits your oppinion but suddenly, when that isn't the case the source must be wrong.
Oh, please, saw 'saw' the Female Sith on Ambria? Or did she have a massive ritual with her followers prepared and unleash it when Thon confronted her?
I don't see something being called a "duel" when one of the participants has an army of followers and a ritual set up to defeat some Jedi who somehow shows up on the planet on his own. "Oh. One Minute ago I felt this presence in the force. Seems to be a powerful Jedi. Hey...minions...let's prepare a ritual and destroy every living thing on the planet when he shows up here in...another minute."
And Kaan set up the Thought Bomb by clapping his hands. Bane utilized the other Sith to increase the power of the attack to a FAR greater scale than global. When did the Sith Lords in the Ancient Empire do things 'with a gesture' now?
The thought bomb was prepared before so what ? And far greater scale than "global" ? This is why just Ruusan was affected. Meh...
Sadow "causing the death of a star-system" - just a movement with both hands shown. Holding hands up, forming fists, fleet behind him gone. Existance of solar system jeopardized.
And Palpatine had plenty of Holocrons before he started writing the Compendium....and Adas's holocron fell into his hands as well. There's a difference between a book and a holocron and Lumiya's rumored to have one of the holocrons Palpatine possessed.
You don't see the logical error here, do you ? If basically all knowledge that the Sith had before the Dark Jedi arrived and then the knowledge they developed after this point were stored in Adas's holocron there would be no need for other sources - especially no other Sith holocrons as all the knowledge that could possibly have been stored within them is already part of Adas's holocron. See what I'm talking about ?
Either the holocron did contain all possible information (in this case other source of Sith knowledge would be useless) or it didn't in which case huge amount of Sith knowledge could have been lost over the years.
The astounding force abilities like...killing the Sith King with help from his treacherous numero dos?
This is such an idiotic interpretation, Lightsnake and I guess you figured that out yourself. They scared the Sith with their force abilities before killing their king. The one thing doesn't have to do anything with the other. If I could kill human beings at will with a blink of an eye but prefer to shoot them that doesn't mean I'm suddenly not able to kill them with the blink of an eye.
And once more, there is zero proof how Adas and the Sith won the battle against the Rakatans. especially considering Adas died in the fighting and was stated to have used his battle axe in the battles.
What do you want to tell me here ? They were obviously fighting on Korriban or above Korriban since that was the Sith homeworld and they didn't invent intergalactic travel at this point not to mention that themselves were under control or threatened by the Infinite Empire. And Korriban was a freaking desert planet not to mention that there weren't people that could have supported the Sith. And if Adas used his axe that would most likely mean that they engaged in some kind of direct melee combat. In contrary to the Ewoks against the Stormtroopers.
It was killing the Sith King that convinced the Sith people the Dark Jedi were Gods. No more no less and that's stated in the story.
Ummm, no I wasn't. I was referring to the NARRARATOR quote about bloodlines being watered down while Ragnos just said "Some us have interbred" blah blah blah
Hm, I look at the Sith council, I look at the Kissai...and I see...NO remainders of anyone of Jedi blood and the only ones who'd be compatible with the sith would need to be humanoid in a close manner to relate in biology. And besides Anzati not many known species look closely humanoid and live over a thousand years. While I'm on that, in the Sith high council where WERE those remaining Jedi? We got a good look at the Sith there.
Ain't it great how the article even saids there'd been many Sith Lords even before Adas?
Ok, so the female Sith had it set up before Thon reached her, unleashed it to kill him and then fought him. Plus, her Sith status is a bit dubious considering the Jedi are revealed to have exterminated the Sith in genocide exceeding the typical Bothan Ar'Krai and after Nadd died the cult was dead until Exar. Mainly this was intended to eliminate this assertion that she suddenly raised her hands and Ambria was cleared of life. Which is an assumption.
Yes, Bane's plan was was to wipe out the Jedi completely before the other 26 pulled out...oh, and why do we ignore how Sadow's ship did the work and he activated it? Or are we going to use the DLOTS comic as 'proof' and ignore everything else to the contrary from the Sith War. To the Chronologies...to Golden Ae of the Sith, to Weapons and Technology...
So Adas's holocron was the most treasured of all holocrons and contained all the Sith secrets both from prior to Adas's reign, all 100,000 years of it, and then after, as more Dark Lords added to it, until it fell to Nadd, then Bane, then Palpatine...meaning things were added to it. Or the Dark Jedi's descendants simply assimilated into the culture and combined it, along with holocrons produced later, or ifnormation added...considering Adas's holocron was the empire's greatest prize.
Hm, and the article states:"With the help of the ruling
king's Shadow Hand, these Jen'jidai, as the Sith
called them, lured the Sith monarch into their
confidence and destroyed him. Never anticipating this
stunning sequence of events, the Sith people concluded
that the dark Jedi were themselves more powerful gods
than even the Sith'ari"
Black and white. Seems this is the event that cowed the Sith people.
There is nothing to say Korriban has always been a desert as it was devastated in the war forcing the Sith to relocate to Ziost. And if Adas used his axe, that could easily denote raids and guerilla warfare.
Girls, girls, you're both pretty. This has gotten out of hand. I don't see why Ancient sith have to do with this thread.
Sidious can chuck around multiple senate pods with ease.
Tied Yoda, but due to his use of terrain and his bigger size, he was left the victor.
Blasted Mace.
Owned three Jedi Masters in seconds.
... http://www.swcomics.com/empire_c.php?i=24&f=3&name=Star_Wars_-_Empire_3
Oh yeah, took control of the galaxy, if that counts for anything.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
It was killing the Sith King that convinced the Sith people the Dark Jedi were Gods. No more no less and that's stated in the story.
Read it again please. The killing made the Sith think that the Dark Jedi are more powerful then their orignal "gods" (or Adas in this case) but they were already impressed by their force powers, lightsaber and technology ranking them equal to their kings. See the point ?
Ummm, no I wasn't. I was referring to the NARRARATOR quote about bloodlines being watered down while Ragnos just said "Some us have interbred" blah blah blah
In case you didn't notice: That is Ragnos telling Kressh and Sadow the story of the Sith Empire and not a narrator.
Hm, I look at the Sith council, I look at the Kissai...and I see...NO remainders of anyone of Jedi blood and the only ones who'd be compatible with the sith would need to be humanoid in a close manner to relate in biology. And besides Anzati not many known species look closely humanoid and live over a thousand years. While I'm on that, in the Sith high council where WERE those remaining Jedi? We got a good look at the Sith there.
Oh wow. You can see what kind of blood people have in their veins and tell me everything about there ancestors by looking at them. And of course, since it's told that they used Sith Alchemy for interbreeding in some cases you must be close to a human in order to have a child with a human. And of course you must understand me wrong: I was more thinking about people not interbreeding with the Sith but with each other (you know...male and female Dark Jedi). This would be quite likely if they thought that some interbreeding with the (weaker ?) Sith would cause their "powerful bloodlines" watering down. That would at least explain why Ragnos was the only "half-blood" (human mother / father) in the council.
Ain't it great how the article even saids there'd been many Sith Lords even before Adas?
Yes. And isn't it stated in every source so far that being a "Sith Lord" doesn't equal being the Dark Lord of the Sith.
Ok, so the female Sith had it set up before Thon reached her, unleashed it to kill him and then fought him. Plus, her Sith status is a bit dubious considering the Jedi are revealed to have exterminated the Sith in genocide exceeding the typical Bothan Ar'Krai and after Nadd died the cult was dead until Exar. Mainly this was intended to eliminate this assertion that she suddenly raised her hands and Ambria was cleared of life. Which is an assumption.
Thon reached the planet and fought said Sith Lady before Kun even showed up and it was mentioned that she belonged (or was left) of the Ancient Sith Empire. So that doesn't have anything to do with Nadd and Exar. And it's nice how you are an expert now for the reason why some things are put into the sources.
Yes, Bane's plan was was to wipe out the Jedi completely before the other 26 pulled out...oh, and why do we ignore how Sadow's ship did the work and he activated it? Or are we going to use the DLOTS comic as 'proof' and ignore everything else to the contrary from the Sith War. To the Chronologies...to Golden Ae of the Sith, to Weapons and Technology...
The Chronologies descriping two events like this with one where the ship was used and one where Sadow used his own power ? Are you talking about this ? No ? And because the other 26 pulled out we don't even know if this would have worked or to what extend in the physical world it would have worked. Very unlikely that you can kill every Jedi in the Galaxy while being on a certain planet.
So Adas's holocron was the most treasured of all holocrons and contained all the Sith secrets both from prior to Adas's reign, all 100,000 years of it, and then after, as more Dark Lords added to it, until it fell to Nadd, then Bane, then Palpatine...meaning things were added to it. Or the Dark Jedi's descendants simply assimilated into the culture and combined it, along with holocrons produced later, or ifnormation added...considering Adas's holocron was the empire's greatest prize.
I love how you simply ignore what I did post.
Hm, and the article states:"With the help of the ruling
king's Shadow Hand, these Jen'jidai, as the Sith
called them, lured the Sith monarch into their
confidence and destroyed him. Never anticipating this
stunning sequence of events, the Sith people concluded
that the dark Jedi were themselves more powerful gods
than even the Sith'ari"Black and white. Seems this is the event that cowed the Sith people.
No.
"Known in Republic space as the Exiles, traitorous Jedi defeated in a galactic war called the Hundred-Year Darkness arrived on Korriban and cowed the Sith people with their astounding Force abilities, lightsabers, and superior technology." <- anything about using the king here or killing them and that "cowing" the Sith. No. Force powers, lightsabers, technology. That's it.
There is nothing to say Korriban has always been a desert as it was devastated in the war forcing the Sith to relocate to Ziost. And if Adas used his axe, that could easily denote raids and guerilla warfare.
Yes. Guerrila warriors attacking with melee weapons. Still the more powerful support from equally advanced partitioners (that the Ewoks did have) is missing. Hell...we don't even know if they figured out the traps themselves or if that was planned by the rebels. Not to mention that the Rakatan were a species of force users. Think about it - how useful is "guerilla warfare" against people that can sense where you are and have powers at hand to escape from traps ?
No, it was the death of the Sith king that made the Sith believe that the Dark Jedi were Gods and more powerful than the Sith'Ari...killing the Jen'Jidai cowed them
In case you didn't notice Ragnos is long gone by the time that narraration states powerful bloodlines are watered down.
When'd they ever use Sith alchemy for inbreeding? PErhaps you noticed how the 'two peoples became one' and only the Sith crossbreed descendants remained? There were Sith and Sith crossbreeds like Naga but that was it. Ragnos's couldn't have been a half breed because by the time he would've been born-and not many Sith even lived past two hundred now apparently- it'd be millenia since the 'peoples had become one.'
Fascinating. So, apparently, the Destruction of Ambria no longer exists because several recent sources have stated that the Sith peoples were brought into total extinction with the death of Sadow and that the Jedi wiped them out to the man. Meaning Thon was either facing noone now, or he was facing a self-proclaimed Sith with the teachings. Know why? Because it's now confirmed besides Sadow and the relics, there was nothing left of the Ancient Sith Empire, the Jedi genocided them into nonexistence. And Bane's own power deforested Ruusan...his attack was intended to wipe out the Jedi completely.
So, adas was the first Dark Lord, then.
Chronologies never state Sadow used his own power...just that he used Sith power. And other sources call it using an 'electrical weapon'
Did you read the sentence after that? The article directly says killing the Sith King made the Sith think they were gods. So, their rule wasn't embraced immediately and the death of the king cowed the Sith and convinced them the Dark Jedi were gods. Quote the entire phrase
Really, what's the ignore here? adas's holocron was the best holocron around and contained dark side teachings stretching back the entire span of the sith Empire, there's something unclear here?
The article outright states Adas led a resistance against the rakata, drove them back with his axe and died in the process. Nothing hints it was a battle of the force except in small cases.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, it was the death of the Sith king that made the Sith believe that the Dark Jedi were Gods and more powerful than the Sith'Ari...killing the Jen'Jidai cowed them
You are contradicting the text dude. They cowed the Sith with their force powers, lightsabers and technology. Action A: Sith were cowed. And then killing the ruler made the Sith believe that they were more powerful then their gods. And this was action B.
In case you didn't notice Ragnos is long gone by the time that narraration states powerful bloodlines are watered down.
In case you're not remembering the comic right...
Ragnos appears:
http://swcomics.dreamhoster.org/oldrepublic/oldrepublic_03_18.jpg
Then he talks about the history of the Sith and then the nice blood line comment is given (2 pages later):
http://swcomics.dreamhoster.org/oldrepublic/oldrepublic_03_20.jpg
Ragnos: "After many centuries some of us have interbred with the sith...while others still bear true Jedi blood."
When'd they ever use Sith alchemy for inbreeding? PErhaps you noticed how the 'two peoples became one' and only the Sith crossbreed descendants remained? There were Sith and Sith crossbreeds like Naga but that was it. Ragnos's couldn't have been a half breed because by the time he would've been born-and not many Sith even lived past two hundred now apparently- it'd be millenia since the 'peoples had become one.'
Oh not again...
It's clearly said that some of the Dark Jedi did interbred with the Sith while the others didn't so which means they had children of true Jedi blood. After 80 generations you wouldn't have people with "strong Jedi blood" any longer otherwise. And Ragnos is called a "half-blood" so please don't start contradicting the source material with your nice little ideas.
Fascinating. So, apparently, the Destruction of Ambria no longer exists because several recent sources have stated that the Sith peoples were brought into total extinction with the death of Sadow and that the Jedi wiped them out to the man. Meaning Thon was either facing noone now, or he was facing a self-proclaimed Sith with the teachings. Know why? Because it's now confirmed besides Sadow and the relics, there was nothing left of the Ancient Sith Empire, the Jedi genocided them into nonexistence.
More bullshitting please. It's stated that the Jedi defeated all Sith by the time of Kun, yes. The fight between Thon and the female Sith happened before that at an unknown time. And because all Sith were genocided you came up two weaks ago with Nadd being trained by another Sith Lord - not Sadow, right ? If that is true there obviously were other Sith existing. And the live on Ambria was destroyed and Ambria belonged to the Ancient Sith Empire. So what ? All dark side knowledge used there = ancient Sith knowledge and the fact that the female Siths action destroyed all live on the planet turning it into a nice wasteland (as we see in the comics) still remains.
And Bane's own power deforested Ruusan...his attack was intended to wipe out the Jedi completely.
Yup. Bane's own power which was already focused through a ritual prepared before deforested Ruusan. Great. Nihilus own power turned Katarr into a desert planet and killed millions of force users including hundrets or thousands of trained Jedi.
Chronologies never state Sadow used his own power...just that he used Sith power. And other sources call it using an 'electrical weapon'
That was brought up several times and Anderson stated himself that he used the ship in one action and his own power in another situation due to the fact that the comics contradict each other. Not that it even matters because Sadow's ship is far beyond everything in terms of force based technology.
Did you read the sentence after that? The article directly says killing the Sith King made the Sith think they were gods. So, their rule wasn't embraced immediately and the death of the king cowed the Sith and convinced them the Dark Jedi were gods. Quote the entire phrase
THE SITH COWED THEM BEFORE WITH THEIR FORCE POWERS, THEIR LIGHTSABERS AND THEIR TECHNOLOGY, IDIOT ! [b]TWO DIFFERENT EVENTS. 1) Dark Jedi arriving and Sith getting cowed b) Dark Jedi killing ruler and be placed above the former Sith gods.
What "rule" are you talking about. Obviously they didn't even try to take over the Sith by violence acts...
Really, what's the ignore here? adas's holocron was the best holocron around and contained dark side teachings stretching back the entire span of the sith Empire, there's something unclear here?
You ignored that all other sources of Sith knowledge are useless if the holocron contained everything as you want it. We saw that several Dark Lords obviously left their own unique holocrons which actually leads to the inconvenient (for you) idea that some of the knowledge they individually archieved / invented was completely lost.
The article outright states Adas led a resistance against the rakata, drove them back with his axe and died in the process. Nothing hints it was a battle of the force except in small cases. [/B]
How many force users have you seen fight without using the force ? How many individuals have you seen to be mentioned as "gods" among a species of force users ? Not to mention that the Sith only advantage above the Rakatan was there Dark Side knowledge.
And please: It's still nothing compareable to the Ewoks fighting the stormtroopers on Endor.
