Borat

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
What a find!!!

This is for you people out there without a conscience or who are incapable of standing back and saying "this is in fact not cool or funny", because the thought of even saying something like that doesn't even pass your mind, since it would in itself be extremely uncool...

...yeah I'm sure you don't get what I mean...

So here's a review of an intelligent critic who saw in Borat EXACTLY what I've been talking about...Interestingly enough, I was able to pick up this essence of the movie after only watching a few snippets.

...yes I'm that good.

- "The point is that the movie's funniest laughs come from people and their reactions, not the material written by Cohen and his crew. Their humor is mean, not funny. Cohen spends the movie gladly accepting the kindness of the strangers who accept him despite his strange looks and demeanor, then takes advantage of their good graces by turning them into laughing stocks for his audience. Cohen sometimes goes too far to get those laughs, like when he starts breaking things in a Mom 'n' Pop shop "by accident." Tom Green has been doing this same schtick for years and been attacked by critics for it. The only difference is that Borat uses a funny foreign accent, which apparently makes it "more intelligent." Certainly Andy Kaufman had a stellar career doing a similar character without resorting to racial epithets, and Eugene Hutz of New York band Gogol Bordello, an actual Eastern European, plays a similar cartoon character onstage--one slightly modified for Liev Schreiber's "Everything Is Illuminated"--without it being so offensive.

And then there's the anti-Semitism, something so ridiculously flagrant that I would seriously question anyone who finds the jokes funny. The Jewish people have had to face very real oppression and racism for thousands of years. "Borat" makes it seem like it's okay to laugh at that, starting with his town's tradition of "The Running of the Jews," as ridiculous caricatures with giant paper maché heads being chased down the street by kids. This idea is reintroduced when Borat and his producer find themselves "trapped" in a bed and breakfast run by a kindly Jewish couple, and they start throwing money at cockroaches to fend them off. The fact that Cohen is himself Jewish doesn't make it any better than Mel Gibson's more subtle anti-Semitism, nor does it make it any less irresponsible to release a movie that makes light of racism purely in the name of comedy."

It's unbelievable, the difference between him/myslef and the one-dimensional audience like you who doesn't have the capacity to see the difference between something funny and something wrong...you just group it all together...and at the end of the day, you're just a fan of the genre and not of what's in front of you.

...yes again, I'm sure you don't get what I mean...

And I’m betting the responses to this post will be the same as all the responses people have been giving all this time, the argument essentially being "you don't get it, 'cause if you got it you'd find it funny"...Wow.

So yeah. The critic and I don't get it. You guys get it because you're clearly more intelligent, laid back, unpretentious…and, oh yeah, cool.

BTW. This last post just seriously pwnd you!

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that EPIII is an idiot. Can't wait till this movie comes out!

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
In a way that sounds full out dumb...but in a way it's what I end up having to say...because at the end of the day I've always been on the cutting edge of new comedy/comedians, I've always had my finger on the pulse on what people start to find funny and why, and I discuss these things with intellectuals who share the same keeness on knowing what's fresh. We obviously don't agree on everything...nobody does, but we are educated, we are fans of Plato (google "ideal forms"😉, and we're not small minded enough to just think "oh everything must be subjective...because we all have different opinions!"...what tiny thinking.

I am NOT getting into a discussion about subjectivity, but I will inform you that you are talking to someone who is well educated, well respected, and well confident, and who really doesn't think too much of someone as ignorant as you who clearly doesn't understand what I'm saying.

All that typing yet all you've been able to create is a brain fart? You stink!

Don't tell me...I need to explain that one to you too, right?

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I'll do you one more favour...and if you don't understand this you must be have poo for brains! I tried to direct you here but you weren't capable of figuring it out...The answer to your question:

"If what I posted is obvious, then what is the problem here? If you realise that Cohen's intention is to use Borat to make the people who purport racist/homophobic/sexist/jingoistic views look ridiculous, then where is the offense?"

It's what I've already said many times...and what the critic said, and what some other poster said...is that it's often done in a way that's mean spirited, irresponsible, and annoying...and MORE NOW than before. The three of us have picked up on that...you haven't. Accept it. Accept that maybe you're not as on top of things as you maybe you think you are, and that maybe we have a point.

You're not stating anything I haven't already attributed to you, but just so we're clear: You're taking offense on behalf of the racist, homophobic, sexist and jingoistic people of the world. That's nice. Good company...

Silly boy, go talk to your 'scholars'...Arghahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Ooooooh, haaaaaaaahaaaaaa

Keep it comin' little children.

...it's alright, it's alright...I can take it.

I can't WAIT till the movie opens and we get tons of people coming into this thread talking about how "brilliant" Borat is, and then seeing their reaction of SHOCK as they find out someone has actually dissed Borat, challenged their sense of humour, and questioned their character...and there's bound to also be tons of newbie Borat fans which will be even better.

Guess one mistake I might've indeed made was to think I would actually find people in a "Borat" thread that would in fact be capable of considering an opposing opinion without lashing out at it, insulting it, and offer up countless mindless arguments against it..."People get offended by anything anyway"..."Cohen is a genius because he makes fun of people who deserve it"...and my new favourite..."The shop owner signed a release???" What the??? GOOD ONE!

(there was one person actually)

P.S. I think I'll go to the Bill Cosby forum where there are probably more intelligent people who don't swear, and who talk about good, wholesome humour in a more civilized way.

Okay I'm back...that forum sucked.

I think that Borat is funny.

Yup.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Ooooooh, haaaaaaaahaaaaaa

Keep it comin' little children.

...it's alright, it's alright...I can take it.

I can't WAIT till the movie opens and we get tons of people coming into this thread talking about how "brilliant" Borat is, and then seeing their reaction of SHOCK as they find out someone has actually dissed Borat, challenged their sense of humour, and questioned their character...and there's bound to also be tons of newbie Borat fans which will be even better.

Guess one mistake I might've indeed made was to think I would actually find people in a "Borat" thread that would in fact be capable of considering an opposing opinion without lashing out at it, insulting it, and offer up countless mindless arguments against it..."People get offended by anything anyway"..."Cohen is a genius because he makes fun of people who deserve it"...and my new favourite..."The shop owner signed a release???" What the??? GOOD ONE!

Oh, dear...

I don't think anyone here minds you having an opposing opinion of Borat; you're completely entitled to that. However, the problem is that you don't really understand the nature and purpose of the humour in the first place. That's what everyone is berating you for. Indeed, it's really a shame seeing as you've shouted from the highest mountain about how you "knew him before he was cool, so there...blah, blah, blah" and that you've had countless debates about him with you, yourself and EIIIBITES...eh, I mean 'intelligent, smart, smart, smart scholars and people who can read good and do other stuff good too'...Arghahahahahahahaha! You're a complete joke. Make some more posts...I'm in a generous mood, and I wish to indulge my funny bone. It really loves to laugh. At you.

You got nothing on me!!!!

5 YEARS!!!

Borat for Halloween!!

I have smart friends!!!

I give to charity!!

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
However, the problem is that you don't really understand the nature and purpose of the humour in the first place. That's what everyone is berating you for.

You are a real piece of work...you know just as well as I do that I GET the humour...I've effortlessly indicated as such in more than a couple of my posts, citing exactly the same reasons you find it funny.

For the past umpteen posts you've been using the same thing as your argument...even after I challenged you and predicted you would...and it's because you're in denial of the fact that a) I have in fact enjoyed Borat for many a year (5 actually!!!), and that b) maybe there's something to what I'm saying, but you don't want to admit it. So you just keep with he same lame argument.

I get Borat far better than you little child...and the really disturbing thing about all this is...you KNOW I do. I'm dealing with an individual who is incapabale of being honest with himself for the sake of intelligent coversation.

I've proven you wrong countless times, I've shown why even though I get it as much as you get it, I don't find (what to get) all that funny anymore...and at the end of the day it's because I've grown up, I have developed a respnsble conscience regarding this sort comedy, and that you have not. THIS sums up what the "problem" you're saying is.

...just been pwnd.

...and most people have just come on said "Borat's funny". Although others have tried, you're really the only one with any semi-intelligent input....and I stress SEMI (heeheehee)...so no EVERYONE hasn't been berating me for that.

...pwnd.

...seriously, utterly, unequivically...

...pwnd.

I've met the guy when he was cruising up and down the west coast in Perth in a cadillac twice the width of the lane with 20 bimbos draped across his arms. I had a 2 minute conversation with him telling me how great our weather was and how the audience needs humour that shows them how stupid and pathetic ignorance is and how the best way to combat it is often through laughter.
He did it Ali G style which just proved to me personally how humour and social commentry go hand in hand very well.

Yeah...only there's a responsible way of doing that...see "The Ringer"...there's an irresponsible way of doing that...see "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan"

(although the latter will probably be considered funnier then the former piece of fluff)

Should anyone who uses the word "Pwned" with seriousness be given any credibility anyway?

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Ooooooh, haaaaaaaahaaaaaa

Keep it comin' little children.

...it's alright, it's alright...I can take it.

I can't WAIT till the movie opens and we get tons of people coming into this thread talking about how "brilliant" Borat is, and then seeing their reaction of SHOCK as they find out someone has actually dissed Borat, challenged their sense of humour, and questioned their character...and there's bound to also be tons of newbie Borat fans which will be even better.

Guess one mistake I might've indeed made was to think I would actually find people in a "Borat" thread that would in fact be capable of considering an opposing opinion without lashing out at it, insulting it, and offer up countless mindless arguments against it..."People get offended by anything anyway"..."Cohen is a genius because he makes fun of people who deserve it"...and my new favourite..."The shop owner signed a release???" What the??? GOOD ONE!

(there was one person actually)

P.S. I think I'll go to the Bill Cosby forum where there are probably more intelligent people who don't swear, and who talk about good, wholesome humour in a more civilized way.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yeah...only there's a responsible way of doing that...see "The Ringer"...there's an irresponsible way of doing that...see "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan"

(although the latter will probably be considered funnier then the former piece of fluff)

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Should anyone who uses the word "Pwned" with seriousness be given any credibility anyway?

-AC

I use it a lot. It amuses me. Well. then again I use it in my day to day language..with only Germans around..so one might assume it is for comedy purposes.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I use it a lot. It amuses me. Well. then again I use it in my day to day language..with only Germans around..so one might assume it is for comedy purposes.

Stop me if you think you've heard this one before...but some of these people CLEARLY don't understand tongue-in-cheek humour. Thank you Bardock...(and yes the beginning of this sentence was an example of what I'm talking about).

Funny how my self-depricating behaviour has been running all throughout this conversation and it's gone completely over most of their heads (according to their very comments).

Amazing some of the people I'm dealing with...and they talk about me not getting humour...oh my. OHHH MY!

Originally posted by Strangelove
Oh yes, which is funnier: making fun of retarded people who can't feasibly defend themselves, or biting social commentary and exposing racial prejudice with a pseudo-foreigner? As long as it's scripted, you can be as offensive as you like! That's your argument, Bites?

Ok....So you obviously don't know anything about "The Ringer" or how it was made.

Originally posted by ~Flamboyant~
Yes, the shopowner had to sign a release form in order to be included in the movie. This is needed on shows such as Candid Camera, and shows/movies such as Jackass. The company can be sued if they put someone in a movie who did not sign a release form.

Are you even saying anything here?