Borat

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
But there's a responsibility we have to our fellow brothers and sisters not to desensitize people from jokes about race, sex, etc...by continuing to make them. As long as you keep pushing the stereotypes of all these groups, that's all they'll be, and people will never look deeper...I'm not saying they're going to go out and pick on gays, feminists, etc...'cause most people are smarter than that (and that's not the intent of the creators of that humour)...but it doesn't do anything to erase the stereotypes...thus people will never examine what these groups are about/have to say.

You're still not getting it, are you? The people he goads into making the bigoted, racist, homophobic, sexist comments are made to look ridiculous. The end result of which is that the people who are watching consider their own take on the situation. This, more often than not, results in an alignment with the minority group that is being 'attacked'. Thus creating a sense of empathy, you silly gnat. 'Empathy'.

Originally posted by jaden101
when borat was first shown, his offensiveness was overlooked because he acted more toward simply being naive....

the difference now is that most of the jokes dont seem to be borne from the same naivity that allows you to overlook the implied insults

in that way it was very similar to louis theroux and the way he goaded the white supremacists of south africa into making themselves look stupid

borat now tries to make them look stupid rather than allowing them to do it for themselves...

Maybe so, but the end result is still the same: Stupid people looking stupid, and me laughing stupidly at stupid people.

Wow...you've just stated the blatantly obvious...Yes, over the five years...count 'em...FIVE YEARS I've been watching Borat (did i mention I've been watching him for 5 years?), I have indeed seen him goat many a people into saying things like "we should hunt jews"...i don't find that funny...I just find it cruel, as well as sad. And he does so by perpetuating jewish stereotypes and reinforcing hatred for them.

Or another aspect of his act is to show people being intolerant of him...and that's because he makes khazakstani's look like village idiots...again, not funny...mean.

But yet another aspect is of his comedy is to just be an annoying, occasionally drunk, occasionally ungrateful guest/inturder that just pisses people off...once more...not funny.

But good thing we have you around to spell out the obvious for us morons who don't understand what we're watching.

PS. This is getting old. At the end of the day, it's people with a conscience like myslef, my favourite critic in the world, and a couple other smart people in here vs. people who just want to defend mean, offensive humour (in whatever its form) because of the shock value of hearing offensive stuff thrown around and laughing at anyone/anything involved in the process.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Wow...you've just stated the blatantly obvious...Yes, over the five years...count 'em...FIVE YEARS I've been watching Borat (did i mention I've been watching him for 5 years?), I have indeed seen him goat many a people into saying things like "we should hunt jews"...i don't find that funny...I just find it cruel, as well as sad. And he does so by perpetuating jewish stereotypes and reinforcing hatred for them.

Wow, you're hilarious! I've been stating variations of the same thing over the last page, and yet you still don't get it! There must be a name for people like you...

But wait...

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
But good thing we have you around to spell out the obvious for us morons who don't understand what we're watching.

Just when I thought you'd never get it, you post this ^. Finally, a break-through! You're very welcome, moron.

EDIT: If what I posted is obvious, then what is the problem here? If you realise that Cohen's intention is to use Borat to make the people who purport racist/homophobic/sexist/jingoistic views look ridiculous, then where is the offense? Unless you hold views akin to those who are made to look ridiculous.

Ooo, I think I just got too close to the metal, right?

The very answer to what you just asked is in my last post, and in the last post of the other dude who knows what's up, and is in the film critics review...you're making absolutley no sense now. You're incredibly confused.

Ths is old

bye

Borat is funny.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
The very answer to what you just asked is in my last post, and in the last post of the other dude who knows what's up, and is in the film critics review...you're making absolutley no sense now. You're incredibly confused.

Ths is old

bye

In no part of your last post do I see the words: "I'm sorry everyone. You're all right. I'm an idiot".

That is so far the lamest contribution to this whole conversation. It makes absolutely no sense...it has no bearing on what I said (in reaction to what you asked)...you're like an 10-year old trying to get the last jab in at whatever cost.

Great...I'm an idiot, a moron, however else you wanna insult me. Good for you...You won...have fun living in your own ignorance.

PS. I think you're just jealous 'cause I have a cool-ass sig and you could muster up is a bunch of text...yes...that's it.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
In no part of your last post do I see the words: "I'm sorry everyone. You're all right. I'm an idiot".

Yeah...the guy who has friends who are art scholars, univeristy professors, accomplished musicians etc...that all agree art isn't in fact subjective...

...just because we're a minority (of intellectuals) doesn't mean we're wrong.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yeah...the guy who has friends who are art scholars, univeristy professors, accomplished musicians that all agree art isn't in fact subjective

and we're starting our own cult.

Art is subjective. It's open to interpretation, because if it wasn't, it wouldn't be a form of personal expression. That's not an opinion. It's a fact, and to think otherwise is incredibly egocentric.

Anycrap, Borat, to me, is funny as hell, and I can appreciate SBC's brand of humor. If any of you think that this guy is out to sabotage a country, and their people, the likes of which we probably never even KNEW existed...please re-evaluate your sense of humor. I applaud the man for having the balls to be play so coy, clueless, and unknowingly offensive and STILL making it amusing.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
That is so far the lamest contribution to this whole conversation. It makes absolutely no sense...it has no bearing on what I said (in reaction to what you asked)...you're like an 10-year old trying to get the last jab in at whatever cost.

Great...I'm an idiot, a moron, however else you wanna insult me. Good for you...You won...have fun living in your own ignorance.

PS. I think you're just jealous 'cause I have a cool-ass sig and you could muster up is a bunch of text...yes...that's it.

Au contraire, mon petit fleur, the problem here is that you are a silly little fool. I'm not even being insulting, merely describing what I see.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yeah...the guy who has friends who are art scholars, univeristy professors, accomplished musicians etc...that all agree art isn't in fact subjective...

...just because we're a minority (of intellectuals) doesn't mean we're wrong.

"Look at me! I watched Borat 5 years ago AND I've got these people as my friends..."

I'd label you 'pathetic' if I didn't find your affliction so amusing. Carry on...

In a way that sounds full out dumb...but in a way it's what I end up having to say...because at the end of the day I've always been on the cutting edge of new comedy/comedians, I've always had my finger on the pulse on what people start to find funny and why, and I discuss these things with intellectuals who share the same keeness on knowing what's fresh. We obviously don't agree on everything...nobody does, but we are educated, we are fans of Plato (google "ideal forms"😉, and we're not small minded enough to just think "oh everything must be subjective...because we all have different opinions!"...what tiny thinking.

I am NOT getting into a discussion about subjectivity, but I will inform you that you are talking to someone who is well educated, well respected, and well confident, and who really doesn't think too much of someone as ignorant as you who clearly doesn't understand what I'm saying.

I'll do you one more favour...and if you don't understand this you must be have poo for brains! I tried to direct you here but you weren't capable of figuring it out...The answer to your question:

"If what I posted is obvious, then what is the problem here? If you realise that Cohen's intention is to use Borat to make the people who purport racist/homophobic/sexist/jingoistic views look ridiculous, then where is the offense?"

It's what I've already said many times...and what the critic said, and what some other poster said...is that it's often done in a way that's mean spirited, irresponsible, and annoying...and MORE NOW than before. The three of us have picked up on that...you haven't. Accept it. Accept that maybe you're not as on top of things as you maybe you think you are, and that maybe we have a point.

...and... (to further spell it out for you becasue I know you won't be able to figure out the last part)...it's mean spirited, irresponsible, and annoying to different people at different times (both the minority groups etc he uses for his material, and the people he uses that material on).

That's not good humour my friend. I'm sure you think it is...and I know full well why.

So here you go...the answer (you couldn't figure out) that I was talking about...

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I have indeed seen him goat many a people into saying things like "we should hunt jews"...i don't find that funny...I just find it cruel, as well as sad. And he does so by perpetuating jewish stereotypes and reinforcing hatred for them.

Or another aspect of his act is to show people being intolerant of him...and that's because he makes khazakstani's look like village idiots...again, not funny...mean.

But yet another aspect is of his comedy is to just be an annoying, occasionally drunk, occasionally ungrateful guest/inturder that just pisses people off...once more...not funny.

Why are you acting like exploitation is something that all of a sudden has become offensive? Baron Cohen's brave, and as the all too common disclaimer reads...

He explains his character's racist nature by stating that the segments are a "dramatic demonstration of how racism feeds on dumb conformity, as much as rabid bigotry," rather than a display of racism by Baron Cohen himself.

It makes me laugh, not because it's funny, because it's just so outrageous, as are the reactions, and the collective stupidity of his "prey". God forbid you people ever watch "Wonder Showzen". They use kids in that show.

isnt sacha jewish btw?

He is Jewish I think.

I have never really seen what Borat is like but the trailer looks interesting so will get it out on dvd.

Yes, he is Jewish.

Borat, yeah. Comedy and all that.

Anyway, did someone say that art is objective?

That's certainly funny, whether or not Borat is.

Pfft!

btw...that art above is pretty darn cool.