Originally posted by Alliance
when people change their sigs I temporarily get confused who they are...didn't even relaize it was you.
Sorry a friend of mine is looking them over, going to settle on one soon. She wants to decide on one that she thinks'll suit me.
edit: lol, went through all that, and she liked this one the best
Re: Jesus...the Creator?
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
The Bible teaches that Jesus created all things. What do you say?"He (God the Father) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son (Jesus) of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, AND IN HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST."
Colossians 1:13-17
Who created the bible then and gave it to us?
Re: Re: Re: Jesus...the Creator?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Man did.
Wow! 💃
44 Authors with some spaning 1000s of years apart and yet as if all 66 books contained in the bible were written by 1 Author? Purpose, sequence and meaning.
Man is more incredible than I could ever imagine!! The odds of this is a simple miracle! Incredible genious of human nature!!! 🙂
Re: Re: Re: Re: Jesus...the Creator?
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Wow! 💃44 Authors with some spaning 1000s of years apart and yet as if all 66 books contained in the bible were written by 1 Author? Purpose, sequence and meaning.
Man is more incredible than I could ever imagine!! The odds of this is a simple miracle! Incredible genious of human nature!!! 🙂
You are making an assumption. You assume that the meaning that you place in the bible is the same meaning as the people who wrote it. Also, there should only be one type of Christian church if that was the case. The facts are that there are more interpretations of the bible then there are people who wrote it.
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are making an assumption. You assume that the meaning that you place in the bible is the same meaning as the people who wrote it. Also, there should only be one type of Christian church if that was the case. The facts are that there are more interpretations of the bible then there are people who wrote it.
Common Shaky, you appeared to be a sharper crayon in the box. 🙁
The point had nothing to do with interpretation but unity in it's overall context.
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Originally posted by TheSpinner
And how much does man know about the real creator? to write a book about him? or is it 44?
It was men/women who wrote the Lotus sutra and that is IMO a greater book then the bible.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Common Shaky, you appeared to be a sharper crayon in the box. 🙁
The point had nothing to do with interpretation but unity in it's overall context.
Then tell me why would a Catholic or a Mormon have a different opinion about the context (also known as doctrine) then you do? I know that they do because I’ve read the back and forth you had with a Mormon here on this forum, and I am deducing, the same would be true with a Catholic.
Originally posted by RegretOr that maybe we are all part of the living creation but told as in a mythical story....We are always becoming, just as "I AM's" better translation mean "I am becoming"..
The term translated into God for the creation in Genesis is "'elohiym"'elohiym
Definition
(plural)
rulers, judges
divine ones
angels
gods
(plural intensive - singular meaning)
god, goddess
godlike one
works or special possessions of God
the (true) God
Godeyhl) is the plural form of hhwl) which definition is simply
1. God
or
2. False GodImo it is possible that the term in Genesis refers to more than one God, thus Jesus Christ, and we believe other beings, assisted God the Father in the creation.
We also believe that God the Father directed or managed creation, and Christ did the actual creating with aid from angels.
There is a problem that Hebrew speakers will, at times, use the plural to designate greatness or majesty. So it is entirely possible that the Genesis account is referring to one entity.
Re: Re: Jesus...the Creator?
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
The Bible teaches that Jesus created all things. What do you say?"He (God the Father) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son (Jesus) of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, AND IN HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST."
Colossians 1:13-17
* common misinterpretation...
"For in him were all things created , in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him , and unto him;
and he is before all things, and in him all things consist."
Colossians 1:16-17
* all things are created through Christ and in Christ...
"Yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things , and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things , and we through him."
I Corinthians 8:6
* it was the Father who created all things, and upon creation, all things are created through Christ...
"All things were made through him ; and without him was not anything made that hath been made."
John 1:3
* see?
"The God that made the world and all things therein , he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;"
The Acts 17:24
* the Father is the Creator of all things... 😉
Originally posted by debbiejo
Well first you have to have some concrete proof that he was the creator..........If there was, then I'd believe it............Just because of the verse that says "And the Word was god, and became flesh" doesn't mean that we should worship him........He could of been a messenger for all we know (which is possible)...........As for someone or something creating the invisible.......yes, I do believe there are things, or what ever you want to call it in the invisible.............Quantum physics says so............and in knowing this?????????????????? Does this prove there is SOMETHING??
"Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jesus saith unto him, Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed ."
John 20:28-29
* seems appropriate... 😛
Re: Re: Jesus...the Creator?
Originally posted by TheSpinner
Who created the bible then and gave it to us?
1st. Century Apostles: Peter wrote/
" For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made know to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Chrsit, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty."
2 Peter 1:16
"For prophesy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."
2 Peter 1:21
Re: Jesus...the Creator?
Originally posted by Justbyfaithjesus is a part of God, and God created the earth.
The Bible teaches that Jesus created all things. What do you say?"He (God the Father) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son (Jesus) of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, AND IN HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST."
Colossians 1:13-17