Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thor has battled Superman, and they're nearly equal. Supes is as fast as Diana, possibly faster....thus, it's reasonable to assume Thor is comparably fast enough to hold his own.Speed wouldn't be the issue.
Still gotta give it to Thor. Sans Mjolnir, he's still stronger. And he's thrown down with Hercules in wrestling matches tons of times. Both are skilled. Herc usually gets the better of the H2H duels, but Thor's no pushover.
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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thor has battled Superman, and they're nearly equal. Supes is as fast as Diana, possibly faster....thus, it's reasonable to assume Thor is comparably fast enough to hold his own.Speed wouldn't be the issue.
Still gotta give it to Thor. Sans Mjolnir, he's still stronger. And he's thrown down with Hercules in wrestling matches tons of times. Both are skilled. Herc usually gets the better of the H2H duels, but Thor's no pushover.
Thor had the advantage of wielding a power that Superman just happens to be vulnerable to: magic. Diana's powers also stem from magic. She wouldn't have the vulnerability to it like Supes did. However, she is the much better fighter of the two. She's one of the best fighers in the DCU. Speed wasn't the issue between Superman and Thor because it was more or less a brawl fight. Just look how Thor faired against Mongoose. 😐 Diana takes this one 6-7/10.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thor has battled Superman, and they're nearly equal. Supes is as fast as Diana, possibly faster....thus, it's reasonable to assume Thor is comparably fast enough to hold his own.Speed wouldn't be the issue.
Still gotta give it to Thor. Sans Mjolnir, he's still stronger. And he's thrown down with Hercules in wrestling matches tons of times. Both are skilled. Herc usually gets the better of the H2H duels, but Thor's no pushover.
Originally posted by batdude123
Thor had the advantage of wielding a power that Superman just happens to be vulnerable to: magic. Diana's powers also stem from magic. She wouldn't have the vulnerability to it like Supes did. However, she is the much better fighter of the two. She's one of the best fighers in the DCU. Speed wasn't the issue between Superman and Thor because it was more or less a brawl fight. Just look how Thor faired against Mongoose. 😐 Diana takes this one 6-7/10.
The writers ignored his magic weakness way too much in that fight.
And Supes is still faster/stronger than Diana....so Thor hanging with him is telling enough. She's not going to go Flash on him (even though I'll concede she'd probably get more hits in), so once Thor gets a few hits in, she'll slow down some and he'll have the advantage.
We're counting crossovers? Thor has superhuman reflexes above those of most mortals. But he doesn't what one would quantify as "superspeed".
Thor isn't as skilled as Diana, IMO. Diana spends alot more time perfecting her skills, even with the likes of Lady Shiva. Unlike Thor, she doesn't rely on a magical hammer to fight her battles. Wonder Woman relies on skill to win.
Diana is roughly equal to Thor in strength. I haven't seen any proof that Diana is weaker than Thor. Everyone ASSUMES Thor is stronger...because he's Thor.
Diana is a hell of a lot faster than Thor, giving her a huge advantage. She would literally be running circles around him. His reflexes will allow him to reflect or parry some blows, but not all of them.
Diana has alot more going for her without her lasso than Thor is with his hammer. She has the plane. She has the plane to give her any weapon she wants. She has her god-slaying tiara. She has the Head of Medousa. If she wants she can wield the Gauntlets of Atlas but asking the plane to give it to her (pretty much everything's stored in that thing) thus magnifying her strength by 20 times (10x per gauntlet). And she can simply twirl (transform) into her Eagle armour as seen in Jimenez's era.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
The writers ignored his magic weakness way too much in that fight.And Supes is still faster/stronger than Diana....so Thor hanging with him is telling enough. She's not going to go Flash on him (even though I'll concede she'd probably get more hits in), so once Thor gets a few hits in, she'll slow down some and he'll have the advantage.
Uh huh, that's why the Mjolnir toss had him bloodied up. 😐 However, you are insinuating big "maybes" here. Diana IS faster than Thor. Therefore, she would have the advantage from the get go. I hate to use the word "speedblitz," especially against an opponent as powerful as Thor, however that's almost what we are looking at here. That and Diana is the better fighter of the two without question.
Thor's strength/durability > Diana.
She's not so much more skilled that she'll make up for these things...and you're giving Thor's fighting ability too little credit. You don't live for thousands of years without learning a thing or two. The fights with Herc are proof of that.
And yes, the fact that Thor didn't win the fight against Supes is evidence enough that the writers ignored Supes' magical weakness far too much. They both have similarly epic feats, and Thor is magical...that alone should've given him the win.
Originally posted by Draco69
We're counting crossovers? Thor has superhuman reflexes above those of most mortals. But he doesn't what one would quantify as "superspeed".Thor isn't as skilled as Diana, IMO. Diana spends alot more time perfecting her skills, even with the likes of Lady Shiva. Unlike Thor, she doesn't rely on a magical hammer to fight her battles. Wonder Woman relies on skill to win.
Diana is roughly equal to Thor in strength. I haven't seen any proof that Diana is weaker than Thor. Everyone ASSUMES Thor is stronger...because he's Thor.
Diana is a hell of a lot faster than Thor, giving her a huge advantage. She would literally be running circles around him. His reflexes will allow him to reflect or parry some blows, but not all of them.
Diana has alot more going for her without her lasso than Thor is with his hammer. She has the plane. She has the plane to give her any weapon she wants. She has her god-slaying tiara. She has the Head of Medousa. If she wants she can wield the Gauntlets of Atlas but asking the plane to give it to her (pretty much everything's stored in that thing) thus magnifying her strength by 20 times (10x per gauntlet). And she can simply twirl (transform) into her Eagle armour as seen in Jimenez's era.
Ah crap, Draco's here.
I know when I'm in over my head, boys and girls. So I'll just say that I'm sticking to my opinion, and then running the hell away from this thread.
😮
Originally posted by DigiMark007
The writers ignored his magic weakness way too much in that fight.And Supes is still faster/stronger than Diana....so Thor hanging with him is telling enough. She's not going to go Flash on him (even though I'll concede she'd probably get more hits in), so once Thor gets a few hits in, she'll slow down some and he'll have the advantage.
Again, we're listing crossovers as evidence. Wonder Woman beating Surtur, Wonder Man beating Green Lantern crossover? That crossover?
It was a slugfest. Superman cleary wasn't his speed or freeze breath any more than Thor was his hammer correctly to absorb the heat vision.
It will take more than a "few hits" to slow her down. Seriously, they are extremely evenly matched...with their weapons.
Without his hammer, Thor may only have one advantage: slightly superior strength. And that's a maybe. Diana on the other hand has every advantage besides strength: skill, speed, flight, weapons, defense, power, verstalility, etc.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Thor's strength/durability > Diana.She's not so much more skilled that she'll make up for these things...and you're giving Thor's fighting ability too little credit. You don't live for thousands of years without learning a thing or two. The fights with Herc are proof of that.
And yes, the fact that Thor didn't win the fight against Supes is evidence enough that the writers ignored Supes' magical weakness far too much. They both have similarly epic feats, and Thor is magical...that alone should've given him the win.
Thor MIGHT be stronger (arguably) or more durable. However, her guantlets easily negate the fact of him being more durable. On top of all this, her speed and her superior fighting skills would give her the win.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Ah crap, Draco's here.I know when I'm in over my head, boys and girls. So I'll just say that I'm sticking to my opinion, and then running the hell away from this thread.
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Draco SMASH!!!
WHO DAAAAAREEEEE ARGUE AGAINST WONDER WOMAN!!!!!
ARRRRRRRGHHHHHHH!!!!
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Originally posted by Draco69
Again, we're listing crossovers as evidence. Wonder Woman beating Surtur, Wonder Man beating Green Lantern crossover? That crossover?It was a slugfest. Superman cleary wasn't his speed or freeze breath any more than Thor was his hammer correctly to absorb the heat vision.
It will take more than a "few hits" to slow her down. Seriously, they are extremely evenly matched...with their weapons.
Without his hammer, Thor may only have one advantage: slightly superior strength. And that's a maybe. Diana on the other hand has every advantage besides strength: skill, speed, flight, weapons, defense, power, verstalility, etc.
Damn straight.
Originally posted by Draco69
WHO DAAAAAREEEEE ARGUE AGAINST WONDER WOMAN!!!!!boxing
...just don't know enough about Thor to effectively counter.
Besides, WW threads are like your home dimension where your powers are amped. Put me in a fight with one neutral character and an Authority member or some similar sh*t, and I'd feel similarly confident. But even if I'm right, you'll eventually talk me into a corner because of the disparity in knowledge levels we have in this fight.
I know when to pick my battles....and this ain't one of them. 😉
Originally posted by DigiMark007Thor had the hammer in that instance as well.
The writers ignored his magic weakness way too much in that fight.And Supes is still faster/stronger than Diana....so Thor hanging with him is telling enough. She's not going to go Flash on him (even though I'll concede she'd probably get more hits in), so once Thor gets a few hits in, she'll slow down some and he'll have the advantage.
Not to mention Supes didn't really utlize his huge speed advantage. Thor has major trouble with speedsters, it's been noted many times. He compensates with the hammer for the disadvantage. Without the hammer, he's just a sitting duck.