Thor(without mjolnir) vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by TheKahn
Here is my two cents,

Wonder Woman is faster but in nearly all other physical categories the two are practically even. They both have monstrous strength and durability feats so I highly doubt the physical stats of one will allow them to beat the other. As far as fighting skills/experience go, while I might tend to think that Wonder Woman may have the slight advantage of normally fighting h2h, again they both are on a similar level. It's basically centuries/milleniaof fighting experience versus centuries/millenia. No clear advantage here.

In a strict h2h fight I'd say this is close enough that a draw seems the most likely outcome. However, in this fight WW still has access to more weapons than Thor does and this, combined with her greater speed and ability to fly, would give her a slight edge. I say WW 5.5 or 6/10.

Thor has shown to be stronger than WW

Here he and Hercules punch through reality
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/powertodemolishworlds.jpg

Thor fishes away the midgard serpent who's weight is equivalent to that of earths.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0034wq.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/midgardserpent2.jpg

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Thor's been around for quite a long time.

So has Diana. She's several millenia old. Especially due to retcons...

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
His fighting skills should be up there with beings like Ares.

Diana trained with Ares when she was a child. (Stupid retcons; He's your enemy, Diana! He gonna try ta kill yo' ass in the future!)

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Just because he doesn't have his Mjolnir doesn't mean he's useless.

Agreed. Neither is Diana without her lasso...which wasn't meant to be a true weapon anyway, but Diana got all creative with it.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
If Diana has all those other weapons like Draco suggests, then I can assume Thor could still use his other powers. He could still easily summon magical bursts of lightning without his hammer.

Reflected. Buffered. Dodged. She's taken lightening from Zeus himself and the arcane blasts of Cronos, father of Zeus whose managed to kill Angels themselves. So a couple of lightening bolts are gonna do much but piss her off.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
He killed Durok The Demolisher with a godblast he summoned while battling Durok.

Reflected (deflected the energies of Parallax; relflected all the culmination of godly energies from the Greek Pantheon) Dodged (it takes time to power it up. Diana will see it coming a mile away with her magical intuition and her Eyes of Pallas which gives her semi-cosmic awareness. Eyes of Pallas is a big advantage. She'll know who he is, what's he's capable of and what he plans to do just by looking at him.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Diana's thousands of years old. She has thousands of years of experience. Thor has been around for thousands of years as well. Why sell his fighting ability short?

Because Thor limits himself to Asgardian techniques of warfare and combat with a dash of Greek combat learned from Hercules as well as other combat tricks he learned from his time on Earth.

Diana on the other hand has mastered nearly every martial art form there is. Including alien combat forms.

Also, Diana has a tremendous advantage. She knows who is. Diana can sense godly energies in others. She'll know exactly who she's dealing with (especially with the Eyes of Pallas) and what he can do and how he'll fight.

How? She spent thousands of years on Asgard with Thor and sparred heavily with him on the 4th World.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
How does she spend more time on her skills? Thor has been practicing in the art of warr for many milena. She has a long way to go, before she has as much experience has Thor.

How is she faster? Thor can move at multiples of the speed of light.

They both have no weapons

Wonder Woman is also thousands of years old. She IS the superior combatant of the two. She has the fighting abilities of Black Canary. She has taken down Big Barda before. Going by feats and how they fight, Diana is the more skilled of the two. I assume you didn't know that Diana was just as experienced in fighting as Thor. Let's say that she wasn't for a second. Experience isn't everything. If experience was the be all to end all, then Karate Kid (who is 16 years old) wouldn't be the best martial artist in all of comic book history. See my point? Diana's skills>Thor's.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has shown to be stronger than WW

Here he and Hercules punch through reality
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/powertodemolishworlds.jpg

Thor fishes away the midgard serpent who's weight is equivalent to that of earths.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0034wq.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/midgardserpent2.jpg

Sometimes I think Silver Age Thor is the equivalent to Pre-Crisis Superman.

Jeez, the pictures above should tell us the answer to that question....

Especially when's not capable of doing it now. He got depowered over the years like the Hulk.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has shown to be stronger than WW

Here he and Hercules punch through reality

Thor fishes away the midgard serpent who's weight is equivalent to that of earths.

As for the Midgard Serpent feat, I actually did the math on that a while back and it came out that Thor would have to impart a a force in the billion's of tons or higher just to accelerate the serpent to a velocity of one meter per second. Needless to say, either that feat is PIS or the description of the serpent's weight was hyperbole.

As for Wonder Woman's strength, she has some considerable strength feats in her own right. I think, and this is my personal opinion, she is in the Superman/Captain Marvel strength level. The same class I'd place Thor.

Originally posted by Draco69
So has Diana. She's several millenia old. Especially due to retcons...

Diana trained with Ares when she was a child. (Stupid retcons; He's your enemy, Diana! He gonna try ta kill yo' ass in the future!)

Agreed. Neither is Diana without her lasso...which wasn't meant to be a true weapon anyway, but Diana got all creative with it.

Reflected. Buffered. Dodged. She's taken lightening from Zeus himself and the arcane blasts of Cronos, father of Zeus whose managed to kill Angels themselves. So a couple of lightening bolts are gonna do much but piss her off.

Reflected (deflected the energies of Parallax; relflected all the culmination of godly energies from the Greek Pantheon) Dodged (it takes time to power it up. Diana will see it coming a mile away with her magical intuition and her Eyes of Pallas which gives her semi-cosmic awareness. Eyes of Pallas is a big advantage. She'll know who he is, what's he's capable of and what he plans to do just by looking at him.

Because Thor limits himself to Asgardian techniques of warfare and combat with a dash of Greek combat learned from Hercules as well as other combat tricks he learned from his time on Earth.

Diana on the other hand has mastered nearly every martial art form there is. Including alien combat forms.

Also, Diana has a tremendous advantage. She knows who is. Diana can sense godly energies in others. She'll know exactly who she's dealing with (especially with the Eyes of Pallas) and what he can do and how he'll fight.

How? She spent thousands of years on Asgard with Thor and sparred heavily with him on the 4th World.

Marvels Thor is on a different lv than Dc's Thor feat wise.

Originally posted by newjak86
I do have a question Draco what are you basing you notion that WW is more skilled then Thor off of?

WW comics. Not THAT knowledgeable about Thor but I doubt she trained as extensively as she has.

Has Thor ever sparred with Iron Fist or Stick just for kicks?

Originally posted by Draco69
So has Diana. She's several millenia old. Especially due to retcons...

Diana trained with Ares when she was a child. (Stupid retcons; He's your enemy, Diana! He gonna try ta kill yo' ass in the future!)

Agreed. Neither is Diana without her lasso...which wasn't meant to be a true weapon anyway, but Diana got all creative with it.

Reflected. Buffered. Dodged. She's taken lightening from Zeus himself and the arcane blasts of Cronos, father of Zeus whose managed to kill Angels themselves. So a couple of lightening bolts are gonna do much but piss her off.

Reflected (deflected the energies of Parallax; relflected all the culmination of godly energies from the Greek Pantheon) Dodged (it takes time to power it up. Diana will see it coming a mile away with her magical intuition and her Eyes of Pallas which gives her semi-cosmic awareness. Eyes of Pallas is a big advantage. She'll know who he is, what's he's capable of and what he plans to do just by looking at him.

Because Thor limits himself to Asgardian techniques of warfare and combat with a dash of Greek combat learned from Hercules as well as other combat tricks he learned from his time on Earth.

Diana on the other hand has mastered nearly every martial art form there is. Including alien combat forms.

Also, Diana has a tremendous advantage. She knows who is. Diana can sense godly energies in others. She'll know exactly who she's dealing with (especially with the Eyes of Pallas) and what he can do and how he'll fight.

How? She spent thousands of years on Asgard with Thor and sparred heavily with him on the 4th World.

BOOM! 💃

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Marvels Thor is on a different lv than Dc's Thor feat wise.

Yeah. DC Thor has little to no feats. Especially when Darkseid killed his ass. He had a small (but very impressive) amount of screentime.

Originally posted by TheKahn
As for the Midgard Serpent feat, I actually did the math on that a while back and it came out that Thor would have to impart a a force in the billion's of tons or higher just to accelerate the serpent to a velocity of one meter per second. Needless to say, either that feat is PIS or the description of the serpent's weight was hyperbole.

As for Wonder Woman's strength, she has some considerable strength feats in her own right. I think, and this is my personal opinion, she is in the Superman/Captain Marvel strength level. The same class I'd place Thor.

Can I have scans that puts her on Thor's lv of strength?

Remember that Thor has learned to use his abilities without his hammer, so he has a lot of options.

Originally posted by TheKahn
As for the Midgard Serpent feat, I actually did the math on that a while back and it came out that Thor would have to impart a a force in the billion's of tons or higher just to accelerate the serpent to a velocity of one meter per second. Needless to say, either that feat is PIS or the description of the serpent's weight was hyperbole.

As for Wonder Woman's strength, she has some considerable strength feats in her own right. I think, and this is my personal opinion, she is in the Superman/Captain Marvel strength level. The same class I'd place Thor.

Midgard Serpent? Yawn.

Diana helped lift half of Spectre. Which is the sum mass of all Creation.

Half of Spectre>>>>>>>>>>>>>Midgard Serpent.

I think the Midgard Serpeant feat is kinda "fishy". He had to have help holding that island that Korvac compacted and that was just a very very very small portion of Earth.

Anyways I still think WW wins this. She has more feats of h2h than Thor does.

Originally posted by Draco69
WW comics. Not THAT knowledgeable about Thor but I doubt she trained as extensively as she has.

Has Thor ever sparred with Iron Fist or Stick just for kicks?

Has WW ever knocked someone around who is on SS lv?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Has WW ever knocked someone around who is on SS lv?

Originally posted by Draco69
Midgard Serpent? Yawn.

Diana helped lift half of Spectre. Which is the sum mass of all Creation.

Half of Spectre>>>>>>>>>>>>>Midgard Serpent.

Thor can defeat Superman WW can't 😱

Originally posted by Soujaboy

Remember that Thor has learned to use his abilities without his hammer, so he has a lot of options.

All of which would be deflected with her bracelets. Godblast? Deflected. Lightning? Deflected. Even a casual punch? Deflected.

He has nothing in his arsenal without his hammer capable of getting through her bracelets, especially crossed.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Can I have scans that puts her on Thor's lv of strength?

Remember that Thor has learned to use his abilities without his hammer, so he has a lot of options.

However, he can't do EVERYTHING that Mjolnir granted him if he doesn't have it. If he could, then what the hell would be the point of Thor having Mjolnir in the first place? 😑

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Has WW ever knocked someone around who is on SS lv?

Hecate. Ares (though in human form). Chronos. Eriyse. Deimos.

All Gods mind you. All capable of warping reality to their liking.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor can defeat Superman WW can't 😱

That's bull. She would take Superman down 4/10. Besides, we all saw how Thor faired against Superman. 😐

Originally posted by Draco69
WW comics. Not THAT knowledgeable about Thor but I doubt she trained as extensively as she has.

Has Thor ever sparred with Iron Fist or Stick just for kicks?

Point is that Thor is an asgardian and that asgardians fight and like to go H2H Thor could in theory end alot of his matches easily but chooses to go H2H like when he fight Hulk.

Same is for the Amazons.

WW has spared with Gods so has Thor he has fought Marvel Ares many times and Herc as well.