Well, I believe the singular entity Trinitarian teaching to be fallacy. I also believe the literal 6 of our days creation to be a fallacy. I do not know if there are more. I do believe that by itself the Bible hasn't been translated accurately and that the contradictions between other religions and my own are due to fallacies based in Biblical interpretation. I don't think that the Bible in and of itself is a fallacy, but that beliefs based solely in interpretations thereof can be.
Originally posted by Alliance
I'm saying could the Bible be a total man-made load of crock...but the essence behind the bible (NT) (ie Jesus) be correct. Christianity without the text.
I do not believe that it is a "total man-made load of crock." The Muslims hold the view you are suggesting, although they do not believe that Christ was God, only a very good man. Possible? If my beliefs are in error then yes, if they are not, then no.
Im somewhere between agonistic and atheist myself.
I myself appose the catholic church. They say the whole reason for being on this earth is to spread the word of god., to force your religion on others. The catholic church and the bible practically make you hate yourself, you always bear this deep regret and greivance for of sinning here or there.
I myself attended catholic School for a semester, and became brainwashed myself. I was nearly a godamned alter boy. Luckily i broke out of it when i returned to my old home setting, and telling this to any active catholic would only offend them.
There is practically no way you could get a active catholic to beleive otherwise.They look at you as the devils temptation and pity you, and are so deep and brainwashed in how there suppost to live there life that its pathetic.
I myself had gone to group bibl readings, and the way the people there would carry their life is redicoulous. One woman refused to eat mcdonalds because the pope made an offhand comment that they came from foreign companys that young children had to make. Alll the changing rules and requirements the catholic church has are so godamned ridicoulous, i can't see how people still beleive this $hit.
Originally posted by Regret
Agreed. Many Christians get upset and say because we have used the phrase "the Book of Mormon is the most correct book." And due to this they point out errors that have occurred or minor changes that have been made. We never claimed it to be a perfect book. Just another book of scripture showing an account of Christ visiting the Americas following his resurrection, as well as the events surrounding the people in the book.Given the attacks on it and my beliefs, I enjoy debating such subjects. As such, I frequent forums like this and debate these things. It allows me to broaden my knowledge base as to the substance of these attacks while forcing me to study my religion and consider my personal opinions in greater detail. Debates such as these should result in myself having a better understanding of my reasons for believing what I do, and the way I do, as well as perhaps gaining some respect for those that hold an opposing view, providing they enter the debate with a similar purpose. The problem is when someone enters a debate as this with no motive than to state that I am wrong. While I may be wrong, the purpose of the debate is to present facts that will possibly lead to an alteration in the opinion of one or both of the participants. Our Doctrine and Covenants states how education should be managed in a perfect school. Here is the description, while it is referring to people of my religious faith, I believe that it is a decent and applicable manner of pursuing education:
Doctrine and Covenants 88:118-125
118 And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom; yea, seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom; seek learning, even by study and also by faith.
119 Organize yourselves; prepare every needful thing; and establish a house, even a house of prayer, a house of fasting, a house of faith, a house of learning, a house of glory, a house of order, a house of God;
120 That your incomings may be in the name of the Lord; that your outgoings may be in the name of the Lord; that all your salutations may be in the name of the Lord, with uplifted hands unto the Most High.
121 Therefore, cease from all your light speeches, from all laughter, from all your lustful desires, from all your pride and light-mindedness, and from all your wicked doings.
122 Appoint among yourselves a teacher, and let not all be spokesmen at once; but let one speak at a time and let all listen unto his sayings, that when all have spoken that all may be edified of all, and that every man may have an equal privilege.
123 See that ye love one another; cease to be covetous; learn to impart one to another as the gospel requires.
124 Cease to be idle; cease to be unclean; cease to find fault one with another; cease to sleep longer than is needful; retire to thy bed early, that ye may not be weary; arise early, that your bodies and your minds may be invigorated.
125 And above all things, clothe yourselves with the bond of charity, as with a mantle, which is the bond of perfectness and peace.
The book of Mormon is not inspired by God; it is not even the word of God.
The sign above Jesus reads: This is Jesus of Nazareth the king of the Jews
While there is a difference in what is omitted, the important phrase, "the king of the Jews," is identical in all four Gospels. The differencec can be accounted for in different ways.
First, Jon 19:20 says, "Then many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin." So then, there are at least three different languages in which the sign above Christ's head was written. Some of the differences may come from it being rendered in different languages.
Futher, it is possible that each Gospel only gives part of the complete statement as follows:
Matthew: "This is Jesus [of Nazareth] the king of the Jews"
Mark: "[This is Jesus of Nazareth] the king of the Jews"
Luke: "This is [Jesus of Nazareth] the king of the Jews"
John: "[This is] Jesus of Nazareth the king of the Jews"
Thus, the whole statement may have read "This is Jesus of Nazareth, the king of the Jews." In this case, each Gospel is giving the essential part ("the king of the Jews"😉, but no Gospel is giving the whole inscription. But neither is any Gospel contradicting what the other Gospels say. The accounts are divergent and mutually complementary, not contradictory.
Originally posted by Regret
Well, I believe the singular entity Trinitarian teaching to be fallacy. I also believe the literal 6 of our days creation to be a fallacy. I do not know if there are more. I do believe that by itself the Bible hasn't been translated accurately and that the contradictions between other religions and my own are due to fallacies based in Biblical interpretation. I don't think that the Bible in and of itself is a fallacy, but that beliefs based solely in interpretations thereof can be.
The sad thing is in my opinion, the very things you so far said you don't believe, especially stating that God's Word is no longer valid and accurate...is sad to me. Christians are noted as standing apart from those in the world. We do not agree with the accusations made
against God and his Holy Word. We are to be light in this world not a dim reflection of the opinions of the world? How can we say we are for Christ yet say and publish to an unbelieving world that the very things we are to stand for is not accurate? Why would someone seek to follow us if we don't know what we are following?
"A man who doesn't stand for something, may stand for anything." 😎
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
The sad thing is in my opinion, the very things you so far said you don't believe, especially stating that God's Word is no longer valid and accurate...is sad to me. Christians are noted as standing apart from those in the world. We do not agree with the accusations made
against God and his Holy Word. We are to be light in this world not a dim reflection of the opinions of the world? How can we say we are for Christ yet say and publish to an unbelieving world that the very things we are to stand for is not accurate? Why would someone seek to follow us if we don't know what we are following?"A man who doesn't stand for something, may stand for anything." 😎
Christ is the Word...The Word is God's...Christ is the Word of God.
The Bible is not the Word of God. It is the writings of men that heard the word of God. Nothing man can make will ever be perfect. So the Bible will never be perfect.
We are to be a light in this world. The Bible is not us.
How can we say we are for Christ yet say and publish to an unbelieving world that the very things we are to stand for is not accurate? Why would someone seek to follow us if we don't know what we are following? Yes, that is the question. I believe that is the main issue with mainstream Christianity. If the Bible is 100% accurate then you should all be Catholic. Most of you belong to other Christian sects that do not claim divine intervention for having begun. If God did not say "Leave my Church", and you do not believe in prophecy, then the Catholic Church is the correct one. Now, if there is still prophecy then you do have reason to have another church. But if the Holy Spirit kept the text pure and perfect then the Catholic Church is the Church of the Bible and should be held to. Sorry, but I find it amusing that if any of you mainstream Christians disagrees with something you claim the Holy Spirit has told you to leave and start something new.
..."A man who doesn't stand for something, may stand for anything."
I would say that this describes your churches. Someone decided the current incarnation was wrong and left to start their own. Mainstream Christianity stands for whatever they want to. If this church doesn't teach how or what you like, leave and find another. Mainstream Christianity is a confused and writhing mass of serpents and God is not the author of confusion (1 Cor. 14:33).
Originally posted by Joseph_Kerr
Why would I want to join the Catholic Church when Christianity is Jewish. The Cathlolic Church was not the first church.. the Jews was and has always been the foundation of the Church.
The Catholic Church was the first Christian Church. The Jews do not follow Jesus of Nazareth.