Originally posted by Regret
but I find it amusing that if any of you mainstream Christians disagrees with something you claim the Holy Spirit has told you to leave and start something new.
I find it remarkable that you would say such a thing considering that's exactly what Joseph Smith did, he disagreed with the Church because the Church was dying in the 1800's... he tried to revive Christianity (in the early days his beliefs matched Biblical Christianity) until he began to change his own beliefs and his new found religion into what we knew as the Church in late 1800's. Some of the beliefs have been changed (blacks allowed the Priesthood, stopping of Polygamy), but essentially what the LDS Church believes today goes against everything Biblical Christianity teaches.
Sorry, but there are many Jews who follow Yeshua of Nazareth as Ha'Mashiach and he is Yahweh Elohiem.
Messianic Jewish sites:
http://www.breadsite.org/mjewish.htm
Originally posted by Joseph_Kerr
I find it remarkable that you would say such a thing considering that's exactly what Joseph Smith did, he disagreed with the Church because the Church was dying in the 1800's... he tried to revive Christianity (in the early days his beliefs matched Biblical Christianity) until he began to change his own beliefs and his new found religion into what we knew as the Church in late 1800's. Some of the beliefs have been changed (blacks allowed the Priesthood, stopping of Polygamy), but essentially what the LDS Church believes today goes against everything Biblical Christianity teaches.
And God changes things from time to time. If I claim God spoke to Joseph Smith then I am not claiming the same thing.
"essentially what the LDS Church believes today goes against everything Biblical Christianity teaches." You should change Biblical for mainstream. There are many people that do not believe as the LDS do that disagree in similar ways with mainstream Christianity.
What is Truth? I believe there are certain Truth's that pertain to Christianity.
1. The Bible is the inspired word of God and is trustworthy, powerful, and authoritative.
2. God is absolutely sovereign; he is all-powerful, all-knowing, ever-present, always in control. He is the Creator but is distinct from his creation. He loves us unconditionally.
3. Jesus Chris is God who became a man. He died for our sins and rose from the dead.
4. Man is utterly sinful and can do nothing in and of himself about his sinful situation.
5. Salvation is a gift of God and comes by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.
6. The greatest Command, and thus the highest pursuit of our lives, is to know God and love him with our entire being.
7. The Commission of those who know Jesus is to make disciples of him in all the world.
These are non-negotiables which every denomination of Christianity believes (except for a few exceptions). When someone says that Christians can not agree on what they believe and further proof that Christianity is false, they are mistaken.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
It seems that "truth" is an opinion only to most posters here. My readings of posts so far show me that most people on this forum think "truth" is unattainable. Do you think I am off base on this one?
It all depends on what you are talking about.
Joseph_Kerr I am sorry that you believe what you believe.
Originally posted by Joseph_Kerr
Sorry, but there are many Jews who follow Yeshua of Nazareth as Ha'Mashiach and he is Yahweh Elohiem.Messianic Jewish sites:
http://www.breadsite.org/mjewish.htm
It makes no difference though, the Catholic Church's first Pope was Peter. It is the Church that was started then, even if it did mess with the teachings. Jews that follow Christ that are not a part of it are still not in the proper place. Also, I am speaking of Jew using the common religious stance, which does deny Jesus as Messiah.
Originally posted by Joseph_Kerr
I distinctly use that term for a reason. Mormons/Jehovah Witnesses say they are Christian because they believe and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Fair enough. But they are not Christians because their doctrines are Biblically unsound ie they are not Biblical Christians.
You are correct. To be considered a Christian in the "Biblical Sense"... one MUST adhere to the Biblical Foundations & tenents of the faith once given to the saints.
Notice the word ONCE GIVEN to the saints as told in the Bible?
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
You are correct. To be considered a Christian in the "Biblical Sense"... one MUST adhere to the Biblical Foundations & tenents of the faith once given to the saints.Notice the word ONCE GIVEN to the saints as told in the Bible?
How do you have the right to make that judgment?
Originally posted by Joseph_Kerr
I distinctly use that term for a reason. Mormons/Jehovah Witnesses say they are Christian because they believe and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Fair enough. But they are not Christians because their doctrines are Biblically unsound ie they are not Biblical Christians.
How is Mormon doctrine Biblically unsound? And when you attack make sure the Bible references are not being used because of the interpretation you use. I find that Biblical Christians, as you call them, use their interpretation of scripture as their evidence, even if the scripture used could be interpretted in a differing manner.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How do you have the right to make that judgment?
"Whoever transgresses and does not ABIDE in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. he who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds."
2 John 1:9-11
"But even if we, OR AN ANGEL from heaven. preach any other Gospel (Message) to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
Galatians 1:8
Originally posted by Joseph_Kerr
Why don't we have the right to judge that way? Because you don't agree with our belief system that you feel sorry that I believe as I do? Are you not judging me now? You quickly judged me and my beliefs, but I can't judge your beliefs against mine? I always find the double standard interesting. 😉
I have the right to judge how I feel, and I once felt similar to how you feel. I felt superior to others and that was comforting, but it was hollow and not real. Why do you think you have the right to judge Catholics, and say they are not true Christians? You do not have that right.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
"Whoever transgresses and does not ABIDE in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. he who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds."2 John 1:9-11
"But even if we, OR AN ANGEL from heaven. preach any other Gospel (Message) to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
Galatians 1:8
Funny Regret how you call the kettle black. As more evidence that you don't want to hear a single word that contradicts your beliefs no matter how much you "want to debate". You really don't want to debate or have an honest conversation. Mormons do not believe what Christianity teaches.. it is another Gospel all together. It is similar, but it is a wolf teaching in lamb skins.