The X-Men vs The New Avengers

Originally posted by stormfront13
no...she has two types of force-fields: electrical ones and pressure domes.

when being attacked by storm and cyclops...it's going to be hard for him to avoid kitty. he's getting attacked at all sides.

no it's not...history proves that she's more than a match for him.

No offense at all, stormfront (and even though you're on my side here), current Iron Man would pretty much destory Storm if they were going all out, one-on-one. I mean, Storm could do some damage, but she's not winning this fight. He's just too powerful right now, which is exactly why he needs to be ganged up on first the way you and I are describing the scenario in order for him to be taken out.

History would be right if Iron Man hadn't been upgraded over the years. But, alas, he has.

Again, no offense. Just saying.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No offense at all, stormfront (and even though you're on my side here), current Iron Man would pretty much destory Storm if they were going all out, one-on-one. I mean, Storm could do some damage, but she's not winning this fight. He's just too powerful right now, which is exactly why he needs to be ganged up on first the way you and I are describing the scenario in order for him to be taken out.

History would be right if Iron Man hadn't been upgraded over the years. But, alas, he has.

Again, no offense. Just saying.

i totally know where your coming from...because i agree. i never said iron-man would win...i was arguing the point that storm would be a distraction long enough for kitty to phase through him. i honestly think that iron-man would defeat storm also...so that point we agree on. would she be able to do damage and face a challenge? yes. would she defeat him? no. sorry for the confusion.

Originally posted by stormfront13
i totally know where your coming from...because i agree. i never said iron-man would win...i was arguing the point that storm would be a distraction long enough for kitty to phase through him. i honestly think that iron-man would defeat storm also...so that point we agree on. would she be able to do damage and face a challenge? yes. would she defeat him? no. sorry for the confusion.

Okay, I think there was just a failure to communicate there. I agree with you 100% with what you've said there.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay, I think there was just a failure to communicate there. I agree with you 100% with what you've said there.

wow...we've actually agreed on something...that's a first 😛

Originally posted by stormfront13
wow...we've actually agreed on something...that's a first 😛

Haha, I know. It really is kind of a first. Planets must be in allignment. 😛

Originally posted by stormfront13
no...she has two types of force-fields: electrical ones and pressure domes.

They electrical ones don't actually count as forcefields because they can't deflect projectiles, just hitting anyone who comes near her. Can it deflect repulsor rays or bomb explosions?

Originally posted by stormfront13
when being attacked by storm and cyclops...it's going to be hard for him to avoid kitty. he's getting attacked at all sides.

So they are going to avoid spider-man, spider-woman, captain america, luke cage just concentrating on Tony? That's going to be their downfall if they do, specially considering Spider-man could knock the bejeezus out of them with one punch save Colossus.

Originally posted by stormfront13
no it's not...history proves that she's more than a match for him.

Yes, precisely history, Ironman has what? 40+ history of upgrades. Ironman post extremis is just above that. He wasn't multitasking while fighting people before, or has a healing factor openly taunting wolverine to fight him w/o armor or has that massive speed access

I know people here think the idea of superman having these ridiculous uber powerset is stupid, but the fact that he exists like that right now can't be discounted.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
I know people here think the idea of superman having these ridiculous uber powerset is stupid, but the fact that he exists like that right now can't be discounted.

doh sorry i meant it as Ironman 😂

Its about time that Ironman got a bit of juice put in his tank, no homo. The guys been pretty looked down upon for a long time.

Iron Man needs only direct shot at Storm to kill her. Tony's arming system should aid in that. Tony's got like what sonics, repulsor rays, bombs, missles, force fields.

The fight between Spiderman and Scott is detable in my opinion. It could go either way but Spiderman edges out Cyclops (due to his experience with guys like Electro, Shocker, Sandman, Doc Ock).

Colossus beats Luke.
Wolverine edges Cap after a long fight.
Spiderwoman and Beast, not sure how this would be.
Kitty would beat Ronin.

The Avengers would take this fight 7/10. Iron Man takes this with the aid of the others. Let's not forget Iron Man's range attacks and guidance system gives him the advantage over everyone on the field. Kitty should take him out but I would not count on her getting a chance. A tactical fighter and genius like Tony would go after both attend to Kitty, Cyclops, and Storm at the get go. Even Cap and Spidey can tell you that.

One question though, how fast is Kitty when she is flying? Would Kitty be able to catch IM with his thruster boots? If not, he might just out manuver her and took out some X-Men at the same time via guidance system.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I know I'm hilarious I don't need you to point it out. Frankly CC may be a senile old coot these days but Iron Man flying to the sun and back is just as stupid and it's not half as ridiculous as soulvision.

I agree, a i suit powered by a fusion reactor 😕 reaching the sun, seems a 'leap of faith' to say the least, but the Immaterial PHYSICALLY distorting the material, is a paradox.

Soul vison maybe not be as stupid as it seems, especially when concerning Mindsips and my HYPOTHESISED theories about transcending PSI consciousness and Super powers. Read the 'intelligent thread' in the Comic book forum if you want to know more.

CC is, and always has been a Coot. Even his most celebrated work (Dark Phoenix included,) is so mediocre its untrue. 🙂

😕 No, when she's intangible she can't physically distort the tangible. She could and does however extend her intangibility to other things and people.

Any idea who wrote this...
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav327p097zm.jpg
it takes quite a chunk of the proverbial cake with regards to "leaps of faith".

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😕 No, when she's intangible she can't physically distort the tangible. She could and does however extend her intangibility to other things and people.

Any idea who wrote this...
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav327p097zm.jpg
it takes quite a chunk of the proverbial cake with regards to "leaps of faith".

😆 😆

Now that is hilarious

Ed Braubcker by any chance ? 🙂

Iron Man takes out Cyclops and Storm and its all over for the X-men at that point unless Kitty can pull out some miraculous victory.

If IM can throw Kitty into the first round of missiles or repulsor shots then she's out as well and the Xmen are doomed after that.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
😆 😆

Now that is hilarious

Ed Braubcker by any chance ? 🙂

Originally posted by Soleran
Iron Man takes out Cyclops and Storm and its all over for the X-men at that point unless Kitty can pull out some miraculous victory.

If IM can throw Kitty into the first round of missiles or repulsor shots then she's out as well and the Xmen are doomed after that.

...Err...why would Kitty sit there any take this blast of missiles and repulsor shots when she can just EASILY phase through them. I don't get why some people think she's gonna get taken out like this.

Kitty can "fly" just over 1,000 mph using the Earth's own rotational speed to pull her along. When she's not using the Earth to move, she can "fly" still but only at the same speed with which she can run on the ground, but instead she'll be running on air (which she does all the time).

She has pretty much every chance of taking out Iron Man, especially when he's first distracted with Storm and Cyclops. She goes straight for him, and BAM. He's out of the fight. Then the X-men take this, since Iron Man was the only deciding factor here.

I can agree with that, I am saying that IM is the winning factor for the team to get rid of the energy projectors on X-men.

Also if Kitty isn't already phased IM has much faster reactions then humans and that should smash her around abit, do sonics affect her in phased form?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Err...why would Kitty sit there any take this blast of missiles and repulsor shots when she can just EASILY phase through them. I don't get why some people think she's gonna get taken out like this.

Kitty can "fly" just over 1,000 mph using the Earth's own rotational speed to pull her along. When she's not using the Earth to move, she can "fly" still but only at the same speed with which she can run on the ground, but instead she'll be running on air (which she does all the time).

She has pretty much every chance of taking out Iron Man, especially when he's first distracted with Storm and Cyclops. She goes straight for him, and BAM. He's out of the fight. Then the X-men take this, since Iron Man was the only deciding factor here.

I agree she probably take out one suit maybe two, but as seen from the latest Avengers Annual, Tony can literally control all his suits at the time. 🙂

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Err...why would Kitty sit there any take this blast of missiles and repulsor shots when she can just EASILY phase through them. I don't get why some people think she's gonna get taken out like this.

Kitty can "fly" just over 1,000 mph using the Earth's own rotational speed to pull her along. When she's not using the Earth to move, she can "fly" still but only at the same speed with which she can run on the ground, but instead she'll be running on air (which she does all the time).

She has pretty much every chance of taking out Iron Man, especially when he's first distracted with Storm and Cyclops. She goes straight for him, and BAM. He's out of the fight. Then the X-men take this, since Iron Man was the only deciding factor here.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I agree she probably take out one suit maybe two, but as seen from the latest Avengers Annual, Tony can literally control all his suits at the time. 🙂

True, but that means you're enabling the Avengers prep time to allow Iron Man to acquire all of these suits. You don't see that as an unfair advantage at all? 😕

Originally posted by Accel
I know Storm and Cyclops are fast, but I doubt they're fast enough to react within the few fractions of a second that it would take Tony to take them out.

Yea, you're pretty much right. That's why I'm not arguing too much in their favor of living long, mostly talking about Shadowcat, since she's the most important piece in this battle.