The X-Men vs The New Avengers

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah, I see. What I want to know is how Iron Man defended himself against Magneto's powers. Unless, of course, this Micheal had no idea how to use said powers. Which still makes no sense. 99% of mutants powers in on person and he can't defeat Iron Man? No offense, but that sounds like a major case of PIS to me, and I hardly EVER say that.

And I know he has a degree of super-speed, but nothing faster than these X-men have seen before, that's all I meant.

And yes. Tony could keep Colossus at bay like that, but he will be leaving himself open to other attacks. And as soon as Kitty gets to him (I really believe she will), that's it for that. Colossus can then tear him apart.

Like I said before, this is pretty much X-men vs. Iron Man (and to a degree, Iron Spider-Man as well).

I know they have dealt with speedsters before. I just believe IM is capable of reacting fast enough to take out Storm and/or Cyke before they become real threats.

Originally posted by Accel
Well, yeah, the Collective, "Micheal", didn't know how to use his powers. Iron Man even made note of this. Iron Man managed to stand up to his magnetic attacks using some Zero Point Energy that was designed to stand up to Magneto's powers, but Micheal just came back with another power. It was obvious Micheal didn't have very good control over his abilities.

I know they have dealt with speedsters before. I just believe IM is capable of reacting fast enough to take out Storm and/or Cyke before they become real threats.

Yea, that makes much more sense now. Because if Micheal knew what he was doing, Iron Man wouldn't exist anymore.

Perhaps he is. I just don't believe him to be able to react faster than they're both used to. Especially Cyclops, in my opinion. If Iron Man is coming for him, Cyke can blast him. It won't damage IM much, but it will stop his attack for the time being. I'm just saying, Cyke has handled both Quicksilver and Northstar before, both of which have FAR HIGHER acceleration speeds than Iron Man.

Again though, I do agree that Iron Man is too much for Storm. And that's why Kitty's here.

Well lets see I don't think this is as one sided as everyone seems to think.

Cyclops and Captain America could certainly be an even fight , Cap's sheild should protect him from Cyclops optic blast's so even if Cap can't get a KO he can hold his own until some1 eles comes to his aid.

Colosus could fight Ronin, no way Ronin can win but she should have enough Speed and skill to at least distract Colossus.

Storm and Iron Man could realy go at it and this fight could go either way.

Beast and Spider-man could go at it and well, Beast would be slaughterd.

Wolverine and luke Cage could also have a good fight especialy since I'm not sure Wolverine can cut cage, or at least cages raw strength would give Logan a problem.

Kitty and Spider-Woman can then fight, and even though she's phasing wolverine has managed to beat Kitty by stabbing her in the foot because she needs to keep that solid so she dosen't phase through the floor, so Spider Woman could then just use a venom blast 9or whatever they are called) to shoot kitty in the foot then when Kitty looses concentration Spider-Woman can take her out.

And of course because Spidey takes out Beast quickly he is instatnly free to aid Cap by taking Cyclops down pretty fast now its 2 on 1, then Spidey Cap and Luke Cage can take out Wolverine, by this point Spider-Woman may have taken out Shadowcat or the others can help her, so then the rest of the team can distract collossus then depending on who wins in the Storm vs Iron Man fight wins the match....so when it all boils down to it its a fight between Iron Man and Storm.

Of course if Collosuss manages to take down Ronnin quickly then my stratagey is stuffed, but I still see Ronnin being able to stay ahead of Colloussus long enough for back up.

Persoanly I'd give this to New Avengers 5.5/10 because I think Iron Man is more likely to be a deciding factor than storm but not by much.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Storm is a real powerhouse who is regularly underated, but it would take musch for someone like Cap to Speed Blitz her, Sneek up on her. 🙂

wrong. storm has force-fields, and could sense captain America coming her way from his very first step. also...since when would storm fight on the ground.

I just believe IM is capable of reacting fast enough to take out Storm and/or Cyke before they become real threats.

well your wrong. storm has been quick enough to avoid things like gunfire...lasers...and even dodged thors hammer when he threw it at he from very close range.

there is still nothing to back up that his suit won't shut-down if kitty phases through it. storm would be more than a distraction for tony...and while he';s distracted with storm, kitty can phase through him. hell...storm might even be able to affect the inside of his suit..and directly attack his body.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm sorry, man. This isn't working. You can just say Cap will make Kitty fight someone else. Maybe if he asks her real nice, she'll leave Iron Man alone 🙄 .

Its not as if this fight is going to take part in a wrestling ring. The match takes place in the city. With Tony patched into the Survellience, Cap can ambush the X-men in any way he wants. There is no one (With exception of Bats and Slade) who can claim to be a better tactician.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Besides, who else can do a thing to her? None of them. She won't stay tangible in this fight. Why would she?.

Can she really hurt physical beings when intangible? Thats just ridiculous !!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And it seems that you are underestimating Beast, like everony else does. Beast has more than what it takes to defeat Cap (stronger, faster, much smarter, brilliant tactician, resourceful as hell, more agile, better reflexes, better dexterity, superior equilibrium, better senses, a healing factor, etc.). But whatever, I'll let you think that. Doesn't change the fact that Cap is a non-factor in this fight. ?.

Bollocks !!!!!!! Cap has hurt and nearly beaten foes that are FAR, FAR superior to Beast. King Thor, Hyde, Thing etc ! 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman

Can she really hurt physical beings when intangible? Thats just ridiculous !!!!!!!!!!!!

actually ...she can

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Its not as if this fight is going to take part in a wrestling ring. The match takes place in the city. With Tony patched into the Survellience, Cap can ambush the X-men in any way he wants. There is no one (With exception of Bats and Slade) who can claim to be a better tactician.

Can she really hurt physical beings when intangible? Thats just ridiculous !!!!!!!!!!!!

Bollocks !!!!!!! Cap has hurt and nearly beaten foes that are FAR, FAR superior to Beast. King Thor, Hyde, Thing etc ! 🙂

I never said it was in a wrestling ring. Work with me here, dude. By KMC rules, the fighers start off facing each other a certain distance apart unless otherwise stated by the thread-starter.

And honestly? Cap won't be sneaking up on anyone as long Wolverine is still Wolverine (super-senses and all).

And yea, that's how Shadowcat works.

Yea, I know Cap has done that. We like to call those plot devices. Are you really going to sit there and believe that Cap could've taken out King Thor without a plot device backing him up? Yea. 🙄

Both fighting to their full potential and in a well-written scenario (ie, no PIS/plot devices/CIS), Beast is too much for Cap to handle.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I never said it was in a wrestling ring. Work with me here, dude. By KMC rules, the fighers start off facing each other a certain distance apart unless otherwise stated by the thread-starter.

And honestly? Cap won't be sneaking up on anyone as long Wolverine is still Wolverine (super-senses and all).]

He did it quite easilly in Enemy of the state, on the X-men mansion. 😉

Originally posted by Metalmanx
[B]And yea, that's how Shadowcat works.).]

Then shes Officially the most powerful Marvel character below Skyfather level. How does anyone beat a character who can't be touched ? 🙄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
[B]Yea, I know Cap has done that. We like to call those plot devices. Are you really going to sit there and believe that Cap could've taken out King Thor without a plot device backing him up? Yea. 🙄

No i don't but .... Cap has had hundreds of these apparently ' plot devices' moments.( Its his specialty) 🙂 I ask, how many times does a characters he have to perform a feat, before it becomes the norm, and not a ' plot device' ? 😉

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Both fighting to their full potential and in a well-written scenario (ie, no PIS/plot devices/CIS), Beast is too much for Cap to handle.

I think you'd wish that to be the case, but just is not ! 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
He did it quite easilly in Enemy of the state, on the X-men mansion. 😉

Cap got the drop on a barely conscious mind controlled Wolverine who had just been put through the meat grinder by a team of X-Men... should we give him a metal or something?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cap got the drop on a barely conscious mind controlled Wolverine who had just been put through the meat grinder by a team of X-Men... should we give him a metal or something?

Im pretty sure he had healed ! 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
He did it quite easilly in Enemy of the state, on the X-men mansion. 😉

Then shes Officially the most powerful Marvel character below Skyfather level. How does anyone beat a character who can't be touched ? 🙄

No i don't but .... Cap has had hundreds of these apparently ' plot devices' moments.( Its his specialty) 🙂 I ask, how many times does a characters he have to perform a feat, before it becomes the norm, and not a ' plot device' ? 😉

I think you'd wish that to be the case, but just is not ! 🙂

It sounds like you're the one wishing that Cap had the ability to take out Beast WITHOUT a plot device.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
It sounds like you're the one wishing that Cap had the ability to take out Beast WITHOUT a plot device.

*yawn*

If i wanted to re read my post, i would have .... re post it. 🙂

OK one thing every body is saying the Kitty will sneak up on Tony and take him out.That is not going to happen.I mean his suit can sense almost any thing.In the second NA comic Iron Man suit radar sense Dr. Strange astral form and like five other hero's and there powers.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Can she really hurt physical beings when intangible? Thats just ridiculous !!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Blade Cutter
OK one thing every body is saying the Kitty will sneak up on Tony and take him out.That is not going to happen.I mean his suit can sense almost any thing.In the second NA comic Iron Man suit radar sense Dr. Strange astral form and like five other hero's and there powers.

Yep. His sensors will let him know who's around him at all times.

Sneak up on him? Maybe. If she could fly then it would be more probable.

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
If she could fly then it would be more probable.

Give me a second I'm scaning were Tony's suit sense Dr. Strange astral form in another room 100 feet away.She is not sneaking up on him at all.

Here.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Im pretty sure he had healed ! 🙂

Wolverine was clearly and obviously not healed When Cap hit him.

If Wolverine had been healed there is no way on god's green earth a single shot from Cap's shield (let alone 30 shots) would put him out.

Wolverine says right before Cap hits him something to the effect of:

"This is the worst I've ever been hurt."

That includes the many months it took him to recover from the Reaver's torture, when his healing factor bottomed out and his strength and speed dropped to near human levels because of how badly he had been tortured. Deathbird couldn't believe how weak he had become.

That also includes when Magneto ripped out his skeleton and his healing factor dissapeared.

Wolverine was by no means healed in EOTS.

Originally posted by stormfront13
wrong. storm has force-fields, and could sense captain America coming her way from his very first step. also...since when would storm fight on the ground.

What? 🤨 what do you mean force fields? She doesn't have any. Unless your count wind spinning around her body as force fields.

Originally posted by stormfront13
there is still nothing to back up that his suit won't shut-down if kitty phases through it. storm would be more than a distraction for tony...and while he';s distracted with storm, kitty can phase through him. hell...storm might even be able to affect the inside of his suit..and directly attack his body.

And saying Ironman would just stay there and wait till Kitty phases though him is quite unlikely. He has info on almost every superhero and considering his flight speed and can has sensors that could detect just about anyone and any energy signature. He could just avoid her long enough for him to analyze her powers like he did against the collective and how to affect her. She has never shown flight speed nearing his and fastball's quite useless now with his reflex from his extremis upgrade.

Him being distracted from fighting fighting storm is very doubtful considering how fast he can attack now and the fact that Storm is only a streetleveller in durability.