Now before I post anything here, I did not ever bring up Hulk's "Atoms" feat which is a new one on me.
The Maestro however did come back from a Skeleton thanks to good old Radiation. Wolvie didn't grow back from his bare skeleton did he?
An outside source yes, but one easier to come by than others. For example: If Hulk hadn't kept going by there a Nuke dropped somewhere near it sometime in the future could have respawned him.
Originally posted by Dalak
Now before I post anything here, I did not ever bring up Hulk's "Atoms" feat which is a new one on me.The Maestro however did come back from a Skeleton thanks to good old Radiation. Wolvie didn't grow back from his bare skeleton did he?
An outside source yes, but one easier to come by than others. For example: If Hulk hadn't kept going by there a Nuke dropped somewhere near it sometime in the future could have respawned him.
So there is no proof of Savage Hulk coming back from atoms?
Originally posted by Dalak
If someone makes his healing factor not work, then they aren't beating The Hulk physically, but by using some sort of machine/magic/whatever to turn off his healing and beating a handicapped Hulk.Unless he falls through a Wormhole first 😉
Simply impaling him isn't going to do that.
The healing factor will only work if the hulk is still alive. If he has been killed then the healing factor will not work. If he has been terribly injured the healing factor will save him as long as the cause of the injury is temporary (such as if a tree trunk goes through his body, destroys several vital organs but completely passes through and out the other side leaving just an empty hole) however if the cause of the injury is sustained (ie., a large tree trunk gets stuck in his body and prevents several vital organs from reforming for a long period of time) he will die. What Thor did was the latter. In fact, the tree trunk was used to nail the hulk to the ground. Amazingly, this was accomplished with one arm.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
The healing factor will only work if the hulk is still alive. If he has been killed then the healing factor will not work. If he has been terribly injured the healing factor will save him as long as the cause of the injury is temporary. However if the cause of the injury is sustained (ie., a tree displacing several vital organs for a long period of time) he will die.
You see that makes since, but it will be hard for you to convince the Hulk fans of this.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
The healing factor will only work if the hulk is still alive. If he has been killed then the healing factor will not work. If he has been terribly injured the healing factor will save him as long as the cause of the injury is temporary (such as if a tree trunk goes through his body, destroys several vital organs but completely passes through and out the other side leaving just an empty hole) however if the cause of the injury is sustained (ie., a large tree trunk gets stuck in his body and prevents several vital organs from reforming for a long period of time) he will die. What Thor did was the latter. In fact, the tree trunk was used to nail the hulk to the ground. Amazingly, this was accomplished with one arm.
So he can take a Air-2-ground missile to the chest and not be hurt at all but a Tree nails him to the ground?
Originally posted by Dalak
So he can take a Air-2-ground missile to the chest and not be hurt at all but a Tree nails him to the ground?
Yes. The air 2 ground missiles explode and dissipate (temporary cause of injury) but the tree doesnt dissipate (sustained cause of injury). He was probably pretty badly brutalized before being nailed to the ground by the huge tree trunk with considerable force and the whole process would have ko'd him. After he was ko'd he certainly would not be able to extricate himself from the tree because he would not be awake to do it. Being unconcious and having a huge tree trunk where he should have a heart, lungs, stomach, spine, etc., prevents his body from healing. Then he would die.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
Yes. The air 2 ground missiles explode and dissipate (temporary cause of injury) but the tree doesnt dissipate (sustained cause of injury). He was probably pretty badly brutalized before being nailed to the ground by the huge tree trunk with considerable force and the whole process would have ko'd him. After he was ko'd he certainly would not be able to extricate himself from the tree because he would not be awake to do it. Being unconcious and having a huge tree trunk where he should have a heart, lungs, stomach, spine, etc., prevents his body from healing. Then he would die.
You are missing my point. In addition to his healing factor he does have enhanced Durability. Bullets bounce off of him and Missiles don't do any damage for teh healing factor to heal. A tree not shattering before it pierces his skin/muscles/bones when bullets, artillery shells, and missiles haven't is PIS.
Originally posted by Dalak
You are missing my point. In addition to his healing factor he does have enhanced Durability. Bullets bounce off of him and Missiles don't do any damage for teh healing factor to heal. A tree not shattering before it pierces his skin/muscles/bones when bullets, artillery shells, and missiles haven't is PIS.
Bullets bounce off him because they barely travel faster than the speed of sound. I assure you that if Thor threw them at him at many times the speed of light as he throws his hammer the bullets would pass right through.
As for the tree trunk, if a single flimsy straw can get lodged in a telephone pole then a tree trunk can impale the hulk.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
Bullets bounce off him because they barely travel faster than the speed of sound. I assure you that if Thor threw them at him at many times the speed of light as he throws his hammer the bullets would pass right through.As for the tree trunk, if a single flimsy straw can get lodged in a telephone pole then a tree trunk can impale the hulk.
Machine guns mounted on tanks can fire bullets that travel upwards of a mile a second. 😉
Originally posted by aliveinboston
Bullets bounce off him because they barely travel faster than the speed of sound. I assure you that if Thor threw them at him at many times the speed of light as he throws his hammer the bullets would pass right through.As for the tree trunk, if a single flimsy straw can get lodged in a telephone pole then a tree trunk can impale the hulk.
I was under the impression that the hammer was enchanted to go that fast, not Thor, and objects can embed in one solid object, but this would have to shatter multiple ribs at multiple points. It's not 'straw'ing in there since the force is split into multiple smaller contacts that would shatter the object.
The fact is that there have been ample arguments over whether Thor can respond to a FTL Speedblitz or not and not once that I have seen has it come to a conclusion, just endless bickering so I'm not going to argue about it anymore but agree to disagree.
Originally posted by Dalak
I was under the impression that the hammer was enchanted to go that fast, not Thor, ...
Thor can literally throw the hammer much faster than the speed of light.
... and objects can embed in one solid object, but this would have to shatter multiple ribs at multiple points. It's not 'straw'ing in there since the force is split into multiple smaller contacts that would shatter the object.
There is no reason to think the ribs werent sheared off by the high speed tree trunk on it's way through his torso but even if the ribs somehow remained intact, they would have simply dug through the tree such that if the tree trunk were pulled out backwards from the way it went it it would have multiple parallel deep grooves where the ribs sliced through the wood. The tree trunk would still have displaced all the soft parts like skin, muscle, lungs, heart, stomach, esophagus, etc....
The fact is that there have been ample arguments over whether Thor can respond to a FTL Speedblitz or not and not once that I have seen has it come to a conclusion, just endless bickering so I'm not going to argue about it anymore but agree to disagree.
It's hard to argue that FTL speedblitz works any super powered type when its such an impotent form of attack regardless of whether the character in question can respond effectively.
Originally posted by Dalak
I was under the impression that the hammer was enchanted to go that fast, not Thor, and objects can embed in one solid object, but this would have to shatter multiple ribs at multiple points. It's not 'straw'ing in there since the force is split into multiple smaller contacts that would shatter the object.The fact is that there have been ample arguments over whether Thor can respond to a FTL Speedblitz or not and not once that I have seen has it come to a conclusion, just endless bickering so I'm not going to argue about it anymore but agree to disagree.
It doesn't matter how large an object is, given sufficient force, anything can be lodged through something.
Take a simple Dodge-ball, If i where to throw it at you, what happens, it bounces off harmlessly, it might sting a little, I'm a pretty big dude, 6"2 225. But you walk away right?
But if a Tank fires it out of its cannon (Theoretically speaking), guess what, its going right through you.
And how do you know hulk wasn't weakened first, how do you know Thor wasn't beating the snot out of him the whole fight?
Originally posted by aliveinboston
[B]Thor can literally throw the hammer much faster than the speed of light.There is no reason to think the ribs werent sheared off by the high speed tree trunk on it's way through his torso but even if the ribs somehow remained intact, they would have simply dug through the tree such that if the tree trunk were pulled out backwards from the way it went it it would have multiple parallel deep grooves where the ribs sliced through the wood. The tree trunk would still have displaced all the soft parts like skin, muscle, lungs, heart, stomach, esophagus, etc....
Has Thor thrown any other item not similarly enchanted at teh speed of light?
If he threw that tree that fast it wouldn't even be able to handle the friction without bursting into flame and being worn away to nothing if they were any real distance apart.
The Tree isn't durable enough to withstand the speed, the entry, or anything that it's being represented as doing by those saying that this feat is not PIS.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
It doesn't matter how large an object is, given sufficient force, anything can be lodged through something.Take a simple Dodge-ball, If i where to throw it at you, what happens, it bounces off harmlessly, it might sting a little, I'm a pretty big dude, 6"2 225. But you walk away right?
But if a Tank fires it out of its cannon (Theoretically speaking), guess what, its going right through you.
And how do you know hulk wasn't weakened first, how do you know Thor wasn't beating the snot out of him the whole fight?
Me maybe, but to a guy capable or taking a Tank Shell, not likely.
Oh yeah, my point this whole time is that since we know nothing, and it jsut happened without explanation that it's been too ambiguous to use.