Originally posted by Dalak
Me maybe, but to a guy capable or taking a Tank Shell, not likely.Oh yeah, my point this whole time is that since we know nothing, and it jsut happened without explanation that it's been too ambiguous to use.
But Thor is alot more powerful then a tank, maybe he stood on top of Hulk first, then lodge it through him, it did go through his back.
Like Souja said, Thor does fight at the speed of light.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
But Thor is alot more powerful then a tank, maybe he stood on top of Hulk first, then lodge it through him, it did go through his back.Like Souja said, Thor does fight at the speed of light.
And if he's trying to just shove it through him then it'll STILL break.
Why are you even arguing this point? Neither end of the tree is a perfect plaine or Uber-Sharp. It's not a child of the World Tree, and it's not a Gamma Tree.
Originally posted by Dalak
Has Thor thrown any other item not similarly enchanted at teh speed of light?
Generally he only carries an enchanted hammer. There is nothing to suggest that the enchantment somehow enables Thor to swing his arm much faster than the speed of light. The hammer is thrown, which means that Thor throws it.
There are many other occasions where Thor (and many others who he fights against in blow for blow scenarios) have demonstrated reflexes much faster than light.
If he threw that tree that fast it wouldn't even be able to handle the friction without bursting into flame and being worn away to nothing if they were any real distance apart.
Who says the tree has to travel anywhere near the speed of light to go through the hulk's flesh? Who says the tree was thrown from a great distance?
The Tree isn't durable enough to withstand the speed, the entry, or anything that it's being represented as doing by those saying that this feat is not PIS. [/B]
One could say the same thing about straws that go through telephone poles which is even more unbelievable than super fast tree trunk blowing through flesh.
Originally posted by Dalak
And if he's trying to just shove it through him then it'll STILL break.Why are you even arguing this point? Neither end of the tree is a perfect plaine or Uber-Sharp. It's not a child of the World Tree, and it's not a Gamma Tree.
how do you know what the end of the tree looked like, its going through hulk and its buried in the ground.
Im not arguing this point, because it did happen. Im simply trying to make you feel better and give you a pat on the back while saying "Its alright, Hulk cant win them all".
Originally posted by Dalak
And if he's trying to just shove it through him then it'll STILL break.Why are you even arguing this point? Neither end of the tree is a perfect plaine or Uber-Sharp. It's not a child of the World Tree, and it's not a Gamma Tree.
It was probably a tree broke and fell over in the course of the fight. Propelled by Thor there is no reason why it would not go right through the hulk and embed itself in the ground.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
Generally he only carries an enchanted hammer. There is nothing to suggest that the enchantment somehow enables Thor to swing his arm much faster than the speed of light. The hammer is thrown, which means that Thor throws it.There are many other occasions where Thor (and many others who he fights against in blow for blow scenarios) have demonstrated reflexes much faster than light.
Who says the tree has to travel anywhere near the speed of light to go through the hulk's flesh? Who says the tree was thrown from a great distance?
One could say the same thing about straws that go through telephone poles which is even more unbelievable than super fast tree trunk blowing through flesh.
A straw goes through a lightpole because of the strength of the Cylinder, I learned that in basic geometry. A tree isn't a perfect cylinder nor is it hollow. For it to behave that way is PIS no matter how much you don't want to accept that.
Do you also belive that Hulk doesn't have limitless strength?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
how do you know what the end of the tree looked like, its going through hulk and its buried in the ground.Im not arguing this point, because it did happen. Im simply trying to make you feel better and give you a pat on the back while saying "Its alright, Hulk cant win them all".
Go ahead and be as condescending as you like while you deny the apparent truth.
Phase 1: Thor and them start fighting
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Thor wins
It's like the Squirrel Girl wins.
Originally posted by Dalak
A straw goes through a lightpole because of the strength of the Cylinder, I learned that in basic geometry. A tree isn't a perfect cylinder nor is it hollow. For it to behave that way is PIS no matter how much you don't want to accept that.Do you also belive that Hulk doesn't have limitless strength?
Why do you keep recycling this stuff? Im done with the strength thing here, it didnt help him against Thor now did it.
Originally posted by Dalak
Go ahead and be as condescending as you like while you deny the apparent truth.Phase 1: Thor and them start fighting
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Thor wins
It's like the Squirrel Girl wins.
Exactly, the writers left Phase 2 up to us to decide, which is why we are debating here now, very smooth move on there part, keeps this debate lively I must say.
But the one thing the writers did want us to know, is that it did happen, Thor did win. so, I don't know what else to say.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Why do you keep recycling this stuff? Im done with the strength thing here, it didnt help him against Thor now did it.
I'm seeing if he's going to deny it as you and Souja do, because it's an easy measuring rod. Before I came here Souja has been teh only one to deny that fact, and I honestly can't belive he was able to convince anyone of it.
Originally posted by Dalak
I'm seeing if he's going to deny it as you and Souja do, because it's an easy measuring rod. Before I came here Souja has been teh only one to deny that fact, and I honestly can't belive he was able to convince anyone of it.
Limitless Strength or not, it doesn't help him all the time now does it. SO, lets just leave this subject alone now shall we, there are about 100+ pages of debating it in the various Hulk, most notably Hulk vs. Juggernaut, Threads floating about.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Exactly, the writers left Phase 2 up to us to decide, which is why we are debating here now, very smooth move on there part, keeps this debate lively I must say.But the one thing the writers did want us to know, is that it did happen, Thor did win. so, I don't know what else to say.
Just like the writers have Rhino KO hulk, have Spiderman beat Firelord and Speedblitz Thor. The only thing you are really saying is that we're not supposed to question these when the Characters in question are shown as much better than in these situations.
If you want to debate against the rules this forum has adopted that is your choice, but pretending that you are right in doing so is just that.
Originally posted by Dalak
Just like the writers have Rhino KO hulk, have Spiderman beat Firelord and Speedblitz Thor. The only Thing you are really saying is that we're not supposed to question these when the Characters in question are shown as much better than in these situations.If you want to debate against the rules this forum has adopted that is your choice, but pretending that you are right in doing so is just that.
Well I guess by you logic Hulk should never be ko'ed or killed, at this point I realize its useless debating that.
I find me and Souja, and anyone else who sees the logic we bring, to be the dumb ones here, we debating against people who dont want to accept something that really did, and SHOULD of happened. For this we fail, we are wasting our time and effort,
I even admitted myself, some fights in comics shouldn't of gone the way they gone. But this one, Hulk and Thing vs. Thor. Sorry, it went exactly like it should of.
Tree or not, Phase 2 we dont know what happened, but whatever did happen, happened.
Sorry 🙁
Originally posted by Dalak
A straw goes through a lightpole because of the strength of the Cylinder, I learned that in basic geometry. A tree isn't a perfect cylinder nor is it hollow. For it to behave that way is PIS no matter how much you don't want to accept that.Do you also belive that Hulk doesn't have limitless strength?
A straw going throw the telephone pole isnt necessarily because of the strength of a cylinder but because the cellular structure of plants is exceptionally strong in some directions. Even a single sheet of paper would theoretically support a ridiculous amount of weight if it were possible to perfectly balance a single sheet of paper on one edge . As for that fight scene, that the tree trunk is not hollow is actually something that helps the tree as it adds mass and stiffness.
And no, the hulk's strength is not limitless. While it hasnt been proven it can be argued that his power is limitless in that he can continuously expend a lot of energy indefinitely without getting tired but thats quite different from saying that he can expend an infinite amount of energy at any one moment.
Originally posted by aliveinboston
A straw going throw the telephone pole isnt necessarily because of the strength of a cylinder but because the cellular structure of plants is exceptionally strong in some directions. Even a single sheet of paper would theoretically support a ridiculous amount of weight if it were possible to perfectly balance a single sheet of paper on one edge . As for that fight scene, that the tree trunk is not hollow is actually something that helps the tree as it adds mass and stiffness.And no, the hulk's strength is not limitless. While it hasnt been proven it can be argued that his power is limitless in that he can continuously expend a lot of energy indefinitely without getting tired but thats quite different from saying that he can expend an infinite amount of energy at any one moment.
You can do that quite easily, when you curl it around into a cylinder, and the hollowness of teh straw allows it to shear through where a solid non-metallic object would splinter and buckle.
And by Limitelss I meant that his strength can continue to increase without a limit when pressed, not an infinity of power all at once.
Originally posted by Dalak
You can do that quite easily, when you curl it around into a cylinder, and the hollowness of teh straw allows it to shear through where a solid non-metallic object would splinter and buckle.
Curling up a paper into a cylinder enables it to stand on an end by making it stiff but a solid cylinder of paper will be far stronger. Up to a point, for a given amount of force, the hollow object will go through more easily but with sufficient force both will have no problem going through and beyond a certain point the hollow paper will crumple while the solid cylinder of paper will punch through. Water is a great example of a soft solid that can go through a much harder object if projected with sufficient force. Water is regularly used to cut steel.
And by Limitelss I meant that his strength can continue to increase without a limit when pressed, not an infinity of power all at once. [/B]
Increasing strength without a limit (no limit means infinite) requires an infinity of power for the duration that the strength is applied. Either he can apply an infinite amount of power at any one time or he cannot. I say he cannot, ie., his strength cannot grow infinitely or without limit.
His strength cannot grow infinitely, because once he reaches infinity(he never will, unless his attacker allows him to, which, if powerful enough, he won't) infinity, it cannot grow any further. But he can technically increase his strength to the point where he can pull off ANY strength related feat, providing that the object that needs to be broken or the enemy that needs to be defeated, doesn't have infinite strength itself/himself.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
His strength cannot grow infinitely, because once he reaches infinity(he never will, unless his attacker allows him to, which, if powerful enough, he won't) infinity, it cannot grow any further. But he can technically increase his strength to the point where he can pull off ANY strength related feat, providing that the object that needs to be broken or the enemy that needs to be defeated, doesn't have infinite strength itself/himself.
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