Gladiator (vs) Savage Hulk

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I would debate like a normal person, but I would be wasting my time with you if i said something like,

"His strength did not help him against wolverine, Doc Oct, Rhino, Namor, etc, etc etc"

You'd be wasting your time because it's stupid reasoning. As you said so yourself, strength alone isn't always enough. And why are you, once again, ignoring that Hulk stood up to far, far more dangerous enemies than those? You don't seem to know a whole lot about the character. Or the mechanism behind mainstream comic bookdom That's okay, but don't make bold claims.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You'd be wasting your time because it's stupid reasoning. As you said so yourself, strength alone isn't always enough. And why are you, once again, ignoring that Hulk stood up to far, far more dangerous enemies than those? You don't seem to know a whole lot about the character. Or the mechanism behind mainstream comic bookdom That's okay, but don't make bold claims.

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Maybe you can help me out, could you provide the scan where hulk healed himself from atoms please?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
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Maybe you can help me out, could you provide the scan where hulk healed himself from atoms please?

That was Maestro. He said something about Hulks never dying and always coming back no matter what happened. Or something like it.

And no, I can't help you. I don't have the issue nor do I have a scanner, at the moment. I was hoping for Dalak to post them.

Originally posted by Dalak
Now before I post anything here, I did not ever bring up Hulk's "Atoms" feat which is a new one on me.

The Maestro however did come back from a Skeleton thanks to good old Radiation. Wolvie didn't grow back from his bare skeleton did he?

An outside source yes, but one easier to come by than others. For example: If Hulk hadn't kept going by there a Nuke dropped somewhere near it sometime in the future could have respawned him.

Really!!!??? 😕

That skeleton feat was Prof. Hulk, not Maestro.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
That skeleton feat was Prof. Hulk, not Maestro.

So i cant get a scan of the atoms, and it sounds like you guys need to get on the same page.

I guarantee Souja has more knowledge of Juggernaut then me, yet we still aren't contradicting one-another.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So i cant get a scan of the atoms, and it sounds like you guys need to get on the same page.

I guarantee Souja has more knowledge of Juggernaut then me, yet we still aren't contradicting one-another.

So when someone makes a slight mistake, and someone else corrects him on it(at least I think I'm correcting him, we might as well be talking about two different feats), this is indicative of....Exactly what? Are you really that desperate?

And I'm sure someone has the scans. It happened in Future Imperfect part 2 that he(Maestro) got reduced to atoms. I only have FI part one.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
So when someone makes a slight mistake, and someone else corrects him on it(at least I think I'm correcting him, we might as well be talking about two different feats), this is indicative of....Exactly what? Are you really that desperate?

And I'm sure someone has the scans. It happened in Future Imperfect part 2 that he(Maestro) got reduced to atoms. I only have FI part one.

So Maestro got reduced to atoms, Are you implying Savage Hulk could do this?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So Maestro got reduced to atoms, Are you implying Savage Hulk could do this?

Current Savage Hulk? As in Planet Hulk Savage Hulk? Probably. But he would at least need a longer period of time than Maestro. Classic Savage Hulk, btw, was much more durable than current. During the late eighties/early nineties, Savage Hulk's(or any other Hulk incarnation, for that matter) durability was reduced and his healing factor was increased. Before that, Savage Hulk had virtually impenetrable skin. Or to be more nuanced: it was as impenetrable as, say, Juggernaut is unstoppable. Meaning, there were some exceptions.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Current Savage Hulk? As in Planet Hulk Savage Hulk? Probably. But he would at least need a longer period of time than Maestro. Classic Savage Hulk, btw, was much more durable than current. During the late eighties/early nineties, Savage Hulk's(or any other Hulk incarnation, for that matter) durability was reduced and his healing factor was increased. Before that, Savage Hulk had virtually impenetrable skin. Or to be more nuanced: it was as impenetrable as, say, Juggernaut is unstoppable. Meaning, there were some exceptions.

Well, the world was under nuclear fallout during Maestro's time line, of course he would be a beast at that point. Even still, looking on-line and through the Hulk Respect, I don't see where he ever healed from Atoms, Maestro healed from a basically a skeleton, but like I said, Radiation had filled the atmosphere at that point. Why wouldn't Maestro be unstoppable?

Savage Hulk is a different story, and Probably doesn't cut it. There where others that said Hulk has healed from atoms, not just you and Accel, so I'm not saying it didn't happen, but if I cant find scans or proof, then well...........yeah.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
When Souja said, "He didnt remember him coming back from atoms" that was you que to show us the scan or some proof.

What I don't understand, though, is how the hell did Maestro's clothes reappear on him when his body reformed? 😖

Originally posted by aliveinboston
The healing factor will only work if the hulk is still alive. If he has been killed then the healing factor will not work. If he has been terribly injured the healing factor will save him as long as the cause of the injury is temporary (such as if a tree trunk goes through his body, destroys several vital organs but completely passes through and out the other side leaving just an empty hole) however if the cause of the injury is sustained (ie., a large tree trunk gets stuck in his body and prevents several vital organs from reforming for a long period of time) he will die. What Thor did was the latter. In fact, the tree trunk was used to nail the hulk to the ground. Amazingly, this was accomplished with one arm.

And seeing as how he has suffered worse than a tree embedded in his gut and his body has adapted before to conditions underwater and in the vacuum of space, I see no reason to believe why he couldn't have survived the incident (other than the fact that he didn't).

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I would debate like a normal person, but I would be wasting my time with you if i said something like,

"His strength did not help him against wolverine, Doc Oct, Rhino, Namor, etc, etc etc"

Originally posted by Dinalfos
That skeleton feat was Prof. Hulk, not Maestro.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So Maestro got reduced to atoms, Are you implying Savage Hulk could do this?

Originally posted by Accel
Maestro was blown to bits in "Future Imperfect Part II." He came back later in IH vol. 2 # 460.

What I don't understand, though, is how the hell did Maestro's clothes reappear on him when his body reformed? 😖

It's not necessarily going to keep him down for good, though. Maestro died and went to Hell, but he came back eventually.

And seeing as how he has suffered worse than a tree embedded in his gut and his body has adapted before to conditions underwater and in the vacuum of space, I see no reason to believe why he couldn't have survived the incident (other than the fact that he didn't).

Gladiator was bested by Captain America. jockey

You're thinking of another time. Before Maestro's body began to completely take form, he naturally started out as a skeleton first, which then proceeded to reform organs and such.

Why not? They have the same physiology.

"Why not? They have the same physiology"

Why not? because it's not the same character. This is like saying Classic Thor can do what RTK can do.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
"Why not? They have the same physiology"

Why not? because it's not the same character. This is like saying Classic Thor can do what RTK can do.

Maestro is basically Savage Hulk in the future. The only differences between the two are that Maestro has a higher base strength and centuries of fighting experience under his belt.

Originally posted by Accel
But they have the same physiology. That's all that matters.

Maestro is basically Savage Hulk in the future. The only differences between the two are that Maestro has a higher base strength and centuries of fighting experience under his belt.

As do classic Thor and RTK, isn't that all that matters.

RTK is basically Thor in the future.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
As do classic Thor and RTK, isn't that all that matters.

RTK is basically Thor in the future.

Originally posted by Accel
How does that prove Savage Hulk isn't capable of regenerating as well as Maestro, though? It's not like Maestro gained some super ability to heal that exceeds Savage Hulk's ability to heal. He even said to Bruce himself that they're both very much alike when dealing with death.

Maestros world and Savage Hulk's world are totally different.

Originally posted by Accel
Maestro was blown to bits in "Future Imperfect Part II." He came back later in IH vol. 2 # 460.

Why not? They have the same physiology.

Well thanks for at least providing an issue, I will look for that.

And Maestro was in a world filled with radiation, in Hulks terms....

Radiation filled world>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Normal atmospheric world.

Obviously this Makes Maestro a beast right, Think about if the Polar Ice caps melted tomorrow, guys like Aqua-man and Namor would be beasts also in a world dominated by nearly all water.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Well thanks for at least providing an issue, I will look for that.

And Maestro was in a world filled with radiation, in Hulks terms....

Radiation filled world>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Normal atmospheric world.

Obviously this Makes Maestro a beast right, Think about if the Polar Ice caps melted tomorrow, guys like Aqua-man and Namor would be beasts also in a world dominated by nearly all water.

If Namor or Aquaman lived in a world full of water, would it necessarily change their physiology that much as well?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
[B]Well, the world was under nuclear fallout during Maestro's time line, of course he would be a beast at that point. Even still, looking on-line and through the Hulk Respect, I don't see where he ever healed from Atoms, Maestro healed from a basically a skeleton, but like I said, Radiation had filled the atmosphere at that point. Why wouldn't Maestro be unstoppable?

No basically about it: Dried old bones + Radiation from Hulk = Maestro Alive.

And while the world had alot of radiation in it there were still enough non mutated humas alive, so it couldn't have been too much. Yes WW3 happened, and he abosorbed Rads from it and grew stronger.

The world wasn't filled with radiation when he came back though, just a little crater in the ground burning with Green Gamma flame.

Maestro as skin and bones

Maestro fleshed out on page one of teh comic right after.

And right before the first issue I took scans from, Hulk fights the Abomination and appears to be draining Radiation from him too, just like the Maestro says he can. He is also putting out vast amounts of energy while probably still absorbing it from Emil.

Yes, that's what I was talking about. Maestro basically tells him that Hulks will always come back, no matter what.