Silver Surfer vs Gladiator, Superman, Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Unfortunately, It doesn't bode well for SS. First his absorbing thing is far from being a sure fire win if it's even possible for him to pull off against Supes. Second, Superman is literally more than strong enough to literally break him in half or KO him without much effort.

Doubt it, Avy. Surfer took an enraged Hulks shots to no effect. Superman maybe stronger than baseline, by a large margin, but this Hulk was enraged. No effect. So he won't break anybody in half with ease here, or KO either.

T-vo is a kryptonian battle technique which results in borderline reality control. With it Superman can tap into the other parties powers, produce illusions, prevent the other party from using THEIR powers, project thoughts, and create battle environments with specific rules.

For example, Surfer tries to produce kryptonite? Superman can keep it from happening.

Is there any reason why the Cosmic Awareness won't let him see through the illusions and tricks of T-vo?? And why doesn't it let them access their powers?? How exactly does this happen?? Or, it just does?? Kinda like magic??? Only from a science based character?? Stalemating the Surfer is not as easy as you make it seem Avy.

It's quite handy for his aresenal.

Originally posted by batdude123
Peter: SUPERMAN?! What are you doing here?

Superman: I killed a hooker. She made a joke about me being 'faster than a speeding bullet,' so I tore in half like a phone book.

😆 😂

I'm still not convinced either way.

A lot is being said in this thread, but nothing resounding. At least not to me.

Those scans showed Fernus phasing Supes into a solid object and causing him to go into shock. Surfer could do the same thing and more. Surfer could also trap Fernus in his board or link his life force to some obscure object and send it into another dimension

This isn't cut and dry.

Particularly with LF saying that Surfer isn't being dumb with his powers. Surfer is faster than everyone here and can become intangible, nullifying physical and energy assaults.

I'm not convinced.

Illadelph, i hear you, but Surfer acting at his optimum, means so is everybody else. And when they're good, they are very good.

Surfer at his best, and them at theirs, best pulls a stalemate. He can't hurt them, but they can't hurt him either.

Doubt it, Avy. Surfer took an enraged Hulks shots to no effect. Superman maybe stronger than baseline, by a large margin, but this Hulk was enraged. No effect. So he won't break anybody in half with ease here, or KO either.

Thanos did it with ease, so did WM Thor. Cable broke his board in half which are made of his same material, and he isn't in league with any of the former. Lastly, Supes just went blow to blow with a precrisis version of himself shattering the time/space barriers.

Physically, there is no match here, unless you believe SS can go blow to blow with Thanos, WM Thor, or a Precrisis Supeman with ease?

Is there any reason why the Cosmic Awareness won't let him see through the illusions and tricks of T-vo?? And why doesn't it let them access their powers?? How exactly does this happen?? Or, it just does?? Kinda like magic??? Only from a science based character?? Stalemating the Surfer is not as easy as you make it seem Avy.

It didn't help Dominus who is far higher on the cosmic food chain, and I don't put too much stock in CA personally. It seems great to sense unbalance in the universe, but it sucks for battle.

It happens because it allows Superman some access to some of his enemies powers. Also because they are in a virtual battleground of Supermans creation. There powers will work, but not to the desired effect. It's like using a gameshark to screw with a game.

Defeating Superman isn't that easy either...over 50 years of continuity prove it.

Superman did go toe to toe with a PC version of himself, yes. But don't their powers act up when in close proximity to their post crisis selves??

And he wasn't shattering the timespace barrier through force. He was literally doing so, by facing another version of himself, from another point in time and space. Thus, breaking through time and space.

And Superman isn't as powerful as Thanos, or Thor being amplified by the power gem. Nowhere near that range of power.

And CA is a plot device in itself, kinda like T-vo. I bet if written by someone acquainted with both characters and their abilities, even if T-vo came into play, CA would allow him to hold his own.
CA should enable him to see through illusions and tricks.
Its that powerful when properly implemented.

And if Surfer can beat Thanos in something akin to a virtual world, you think he can't hold his own against Superman??

Do i think Surfer can take a decent maj?? Yeah. About 7.5/10. He's simply that powerful, or plot device. Depends on your like/dislike of the character.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Superman did go toe to toe with a PC version of himself, yes. But don't their powers act up when in close proximity to their post crisis selves??

And he wasn't shattering the timespace barrier through force. He was literally doing so, by facing another version of himself, from another point in time and space. Thus, breaking through time and space.

Where did you get your intepretation from? The comic never says that it happens becuase he's facing another version of himself. Their contact transferred memories of one to the other. The whole shattering thing was separate. Superman himself has admitted there is nothing he can't do in the realm of the physical...and SS is a physical being.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And Superman isn't as powerful as Thanos, or Thor being amplified by the power gem. Nowhere near that range of power.

He's been shown to quite a bit of times. I've shown it ad nauseum to the point where people's argument is simpy..."well, he's Thanos! I feel differently!"

Physically, Supes is a tier, if not tiers above SS.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And CA is a plot device in itself, kinda like T-vo. I bet if written by someone acquainted with both characters and their abilities, even if T-vo came into play, CA would allow him to hold his own.
CA should enable him to see through illusions and tricks.
Its that powerful when properly implemented.

If written by someone aquainted? Sorry, that's not how it works. I could say Jeph Loeb is aquainted well with Superman, becuase he always makes him win..and usually easily.

CA doesn't help get SS in battles or to escape trickery, and as a being far lower on the totem pole than Dominus, it looks even worse for him. Don't you think if it worked that well, Doom wouldn't have stolen his power so easily?

Originally posted by UniOmni
And if Surfer can beat Thanos in something akin to a virtual world, you think he can't hold his own against Superman??

Surfer lost that fight...he did well at first, but didn't have the will to go through and finish what he had to do... something that Superman wouldn't have had an issue with. Thanos also didn't have control of the environment.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Do i think Surfer can take a decent maj?? Yeah. About 7.5/10. He's simply that powerful, or plot device. Depends on your like/dislike of the character.

Part of the fun is the disagreements. A Surfer that can take Superman 7/10 should be able to do the same to the slow as molasses Thanos, and many other creature. Unfortunately, this SS doesn't exist yet.

At least it's not as ridiculous as the notion that SS can stalemate all these characters. Any one of them would be a battle and a half for him alone. Together, it's a curbstomp against him.

Superman is above Surfer in strength. But not by a tier. Nowhere near that much. And he can close the small gap with ease.

And Thanos makes herald levellers look like handicapped children.

When has Superman ever been shown so??
Superman is a herald level character himself!!

Can you show me where Superman has demonstrated Thanos/PG levels of power/dominance?? In scan form please?

And Superman compares to those with a pg?? Really??
Drax ripped apart a star with his barehands when he thought someone else killed Thanos. There is no comparative feat.

And Surfer isn't the punching type. His firepower greatly outweighs his hth skills. Surfer going hth, is Surfer jobbing.

And written by someone who knows both, means in my mind, someone without a definite lean towards either character. Joe Casey or Loeb are people with a def lean towards Superman.

I'd have someone like Oeming write it, cuz he treats both characters well in a fight, something Casey and Loeb don't seem to know or care to do.

CA has let Surfer listen in on the conversations of Abstracts and other cosmic gods. It would be operating below par if it couldn't see through a lil illusions.

And Doom is a bad example. He steals the power everyone who's worth something. DC wouldn't be any diff if he was based there. Thats just what Doom does.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Superman is above Surfer in strength. But not by a tier. Nowhere near that much. And he can close the small gap with ease.

And Thanos makes herald levellers look like handicapped children.

When has Superman ever been shown so??
Superman is a herald level character himself!!

Can you show me where Superman has demonstrated Thanos/PG levels of power/dominance?? In scan form please?

And Superman compares to those with a pg?? Really??
Drax ripped apart a star with his barehands when he thought someone else killed Thanos. There is no comparative feat.

And Surfer isn't the punching type. His firepower greatly outweighs his hth skills. Surfer going hth, is Surfer jobbing.

And written by someone who knows both, means in my mind, someone without a definite lean towards either character. Joe Casey or Loeb are people with a def lean towards Superman.

I'd have someone like Oeming write it, cuz he treats both characters well in a fight, something Casey and Loeb don't seem to know or care to do.

CA has let Surfer listen in on the conversations of Abstracts and other cosmic gods. It would be operating below par if it couldn't see through a lil illusions.

And Doom is a bad example. He steals the power everyone who's worth something. DC wouldn't be any diff if he was based there. Thats just what Doom does.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Genis<<<<Superman Prime??

When Prime kills the most powerful Abstract, call me.

Why does Genis get full credit for that feat when he had ENTROPY by his side?

Getting off topic eh?

If Silver Surfer is in his "will not kill any living thing blah blah blah" mood than he defeats himself and loses.

If Silver Surfer allows himself to get past that then Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Superman, and Gladiator get whooped like red-headed step-children. So, let's stop discarding the POWER COSMIC as a vending machine ability. First of all Gladiator does not even factor in confident of not SS has the ability to take him out, easily. Wonder Woman? Please, every thread I have read has her winning by speed-blitz, this time she gets the blitz as she digs for her best answer in her bag of cheesy weapons and goes down once and for all. As for Superman, well sure, DC fanboys would dig into the well for the most amazing outrageous version ever just to defend his name. Get over it, he is not unbeatable. I think that I remember him dying, or at least getting f*&%ed up and knocked out by a grey-boney powerhouse in green trunks. I don't care if that was 22 weaker versions ago, it happened once and it can happen again. And of Silver Surfer has got the goods to do so. Now for Fernus, Martian Manhunter whatever. Leave it to DC to take a well-rounded character with a weakness and strip it away to make them more insane. Still, what defense does he have against the Power Cosmic? Right, NOTHING!

Unfortunately, It doesn't bode well for SS. First his absorbing thing is far from being a sure fire win if it's even possible for him to pull off against Supes. Second, Superman is literally more than strong enough to literally break him in half or KO him without much effort.

Lets see SS uses Supes weakness of Red sun energies and Kryptonite, at desame time absorbes his energies which would greatly deminishes his strength, now would he still be able to break him in half? I thinks not and i doubt if he could even do it at normal level.

T-vo is a kryptonian battle technique which results in borderline reality control. With it Superman can tap into the other parties powers, produce illusions, prevent the other party from using THEIR powers, project thoughts, and create battle environments with specific rules.

What the F%&CK, his got reality control power now. Well does it work on cosmic being with CA? Its kinda impossible for mortal people to invent technique that would allow them control over someone commanding PC with CA. Why didnt he use this technique in justice mini series when he was beaten to pulp.

Thanos did it with ease, so did WM Thor. Cable broke his board in half which are made of his same material, and he isn't in league with any of the former. Lastly, Supes just went blow to blow with a precrisis version of himself shattering the time/space barriers.

Thanos pummeled SS into unconsciousness but did not break him in half, also he was breating heavyly after not very easy feat. Supes is not on desame level as Thanos.
Warlock was surprise at SS after madness Thor pummeled him into unconsciousness, he mentioned about him not being totally injured at all after all that punishing blows from Thor, that should show a little bit about SS physical durability. How can someone being beaten by fernus all of a sudden able to shatter time and space with physical blows.

SS possess near limitless Pc, theoritically he should be able to amp his strength to almost limitless depending how much pc his got at his disposal, he should easily be on par with Supes or rivals him in strength. Bare in mind this is normal Supes.

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Show the next pages on that when after the beating, when SS was on the ground unconscious. Thanos was breathin heavily as shown in the panel. It was emplied that Supes could do it with ease like that.

sorry

this one?

but supes couldnt even beat surfer. how is he going to compete with this?

Originally posted by Rols
Show the next pages on that when after the beating, when SS was on the ground unconscious. Thanos was breathin heavily as shown in the panel. It was emplied that Supes could do it with ease like that.