First of all let me clear this up I meant for the team to be at their best short of the godwave, prime or pre crisis. I went back and corrected this before it reached the second page so get over it. I never said prime I just said fully confident for Glads, fully charged for Supes, Fernus for MM and all weapons for WW just to see if all this could get pass the iffyness that is SS.
Originally posted by Rols
Me thinks Spite Tread, Fully charged Superman could be Allstar, WW inchanted weapon could penetrate SS hide, and there is also her laso, fernus whose no slouch eather, full confident Glad another ala allstar or precrises. Anyhow as stated in my previous post SS loses 20/10.
Not spite I neither hate or really care for SS I just wanted to test him.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Superman is above Surfer in strength. But not by a tier. Nowhere near that much. And he can close the small gap with ease.And Thanos makes herald levellers look like handicapped children.
When has Superman ever been shown so??
Superman is a herald level character himself!!Can you show me where Superman has demonstrated Thanos/PG levels of power/dominance?? In scan form please?
And Superman compares to those with a pg?? Really??
Drax ripped apart a star with his barehands when he thought someone else killed Thanos. There is no comparative feat.And Surfer isn't the punching type. His firepower greatly outweighs his hth skills. Surfer going hth, is Surfer jobbing.
And written by someone who knows both, means in my mind, someone without a definite lean towards either character. Joe Casey or Loeb are people with a def lean towards Superman.
I'd have someone like Oeming write it, cuz he treats both characters well in a fight, something Casey and Loeb don't seem to know or care to do.
CA has let Surfer listen in on the conversations of Abstracts and other cosmic gods. It would be operating below par if it couldn't see through a lil illusions.
And Doom is a bad example. He steals the power everyone who's worth something. DC wouldn't be any diff if he was based there. Thats just what Doom does.
I have many many times. You simply do not want to accept it or you look for any way to explain it away.
CA won't help SS in battle any more than it ever has and T-Vo has already been shown to be stronger than CA. Sorry. If it was just "lil illusions" then everyone would simply see through it, considering 2 characters more powerful than SS himself couldn't simply snap out of it.
SS isn't the punching type, but cosmics always end up battling H2H.
Doom is a bad example, why? Because he easily beat SS? CA should have prevented it.
Nah Avy. In my years of reading comics, i have never seen Superman treat any other herald level heroes/characters like children. I've seen him beat them, but never with the dominance and disregard that Thanos has.
I don't recall you ever showing Superman dominating Cap Marvel and Black Adam at the same time.
Or GL and Cap Atom.
These are the herald level characters.
Just gimme four scans of him showing such dominance.
And don't show the probes. Cuz while they were intended to be herald analogues, they failed in that regard. Badly.
Doom is a bad example, simply for the same reason Luthor is.
They outthink their superiors.
Even though Superman got an upgrade in thinking power, i bet Luthor with his human brain will still be a step ahead of him.
Even though the kryptonian brain is years more advanced. Why?? Cuz its what the character does.
Originally posted by Rols
Lets see SS uses Supes weakness of Red sun energies and Kryptonite, at desame time absorbes his energies which would greatly deminishes his strength, now would he still be able to break him in half? I thinks not and i doubt if he could even do it at normal level.
😆 So that's you grand solution? He tries to use most of Supermans weakness at the same time? Ok, he tries that, and then realizes it's an illusion. He then goes to punch Supes and realizes it. Surfer feels a punch with the power to crack a moon in half hit him in a vulnerable pressure point (thanks so Supermans keen senses) and goes down.
Originally posted by Rols
What the F%&CK, his got reality control power now. Well does it work on cosmic being with CA? Its kinda impossible for mortal people to invent technique that would allow them control over someone commanding PC with CA. Why didnt he use this technique in justice mini series when he was beaten to pulp.
Sure does. If you don't know what you are talking about, I suggest you don't attempt to debate it. It is what it is.
Originally posted by Rols
Thanos pummeled SS into unconsciousness but did not break him in half, also he was breating heavyly after not very easy feat. Supes is not on desame level as Thanos.
Warlock was surprise at SS after madness Thor pummeled him into unconsciousness, he mentioned about him not being totally injured at all after all that punishing blows from Thor, that should show a little bit about SS physical durability. How can someone being beaten by fernus all of a sudden able to shatter time and space with physical blows.
Thanos wasn't exactly trying to break him in half, was he? He simply wanted to show him who is better physically...and he did. How can someone who was snuffed by the absorbing man recently hope to take out Fernus...you know...the guy who easily took out over a 100 white martians on his own?
Originally posted by Rols
SS possess near limitless Pc, theoritically he should be able to amp his strength to almost limitless depending how much pc his got at his disposal, he should easily be on par with Supes or rivals him in strength. Bare in mind this is normal Supes.
This is fanboy created garbage. Show where SS has ever amped himself to Superman strength and kept up a battle with it.
It's amazing how critical people are of DC's characters, yet are so forgiving of Marvels..."Oh! he just isn't written right!" "Superman is almost unbeatable, I hate him!!!" "SS got an upgrade so he's potentially unbeatable?...I love it!!"
I even left this ULTIMATE mythical "fully charged" version of Supes out because he doesn't exist...and the closest you get is SMP, but people I still see garbage about SS living through a fight with Fernus, WW with all weapons, armor etc, and a fully confident Gladiator (who's stalemated SS on his own if I remember correctly.)
Team 129/10
Originally posted by UniOmni
Nah Avy. In my years of reading comics, i have never seen Superman treat any other herald level heroes/characters like children. I've seen him beat them, but never with the dominance and disregard that Thanos has.
I don't recall you ever showing Superman dominating Cap Marvel and Black Adam at the same time.
Or GL and Cap Atom.
These are the herald level characters.
Just gimme four scans of him showing such dominance.
And don't show the probes. Cuz while they were intended to be herald analogues, they failed in that regard. Badly.Doom is a bad example, simply for the same reason Luthor is.
They outthink their superiors.
Even though Superman got an upgrade in thinking power, i bet Luthor with his human brain will still be a step ahead of him.
Even though the kryptonian brain is years more advanced. Why?? Cuz its what the character does.
I haven't seen SS do it as well. Here the whole league couldn't contained him...and he wasn't bloodlusted or anything. If you look through the respect thread..I've also posted him owning a city full of villains at the same time.
As for probes... whether you like them or not..they are what they are.
Once again you are looking down on them for a silly loss or two when heralds have dozens of ridiculous losses.
"Without the element of Surprise...we would not have stood a chance"
and Supes still won and did what he had to do.
Now can you show me SS owning 4 Black adam or WW tier characters at the same time?
It's usually I who provide proof with scans and pages that are carefully dissected... This time I want undisputable proof of SS beating anything near that league that I just posted or even multiple WW + up characters at the same time.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I haven't seen SS do it as well. Here the whole league couldn't contained him...and he wasn't bloodlusted or anything. If you look through the respect thread..I've also posted him owning a city full of villains at the same time.As for probes... whether you like them or not..they are what they are.
Once again you are looking down on them for a silly loss or two when heralds have dozens of ridiculous losses."Without the element of Surprise...we would not have stood a chance"
and Supes still won and did what he had to do.
Now can you show me SS owning 4 Black adam or WW tier characters at the same time?
Originally posted by Accel
What I find interesting is that there are at least five people there who could singlehandedly take Supes and all of them combined can't do anything to him?
He did it in sacrifice as well. In a weakened condition he also fought multiple gogs for a while, and has taken multiple herald level probes out singlehandedly.
He's also beaten a city full of Superpowered villains at the same time...simultaenously...and just this month Luthor in a ridiculously overpowered kryptonian battleship which easily stopped all other superheros from even getting close.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I think J'onn's metamorphing abilities are pretty much crap against Surfer's transmutation abilities. He wields the power cosmic. MM's not going to be able to resist that.A well-written Surfer wins this fight.
Thats why he's never tansmuted the likes of Thor and Quasar 🙄 This is just typical from you metalmax. How many Silver Surfer books have you read ? How many JLA books have you read ? Infact how many books have you read that are not written by Chris Claremont ? 😆 Saying he would win because he controls the power cosmic, is well ... pretty lame to say the least. Whats so special about the power cosmic compared to the other fictional energy types? Surfers transmution abilities are over rated. And he rarely ever uses them against biological beings.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I think J'onn's metamorphing abilities are pretty much crap against Surfer's transmutation abilities. He wields the power cosmic. MM's not going to be able to resist that.A well-written Surfer wins this fight.
How often do you have to apply this 'Well written' point to your arguements ? .... A well written Surfer is a Paradox IMO. 🙂
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Isn't it funny that when Superman overcomes something... it's bad writing and when another character does something similar...it's a feat? 😆
Agreed , especially if that characters is an obscure marvel one.... I can't believe there are so many Surfer fans, i mean has he ever actually had an interesting book? There is a lot of Superman hate, and i'll be the first to admit that his stories are rarely ever that special. But anyone who has read any Silver surfer books will agree that Supes stories are generally far superior, although still crap ! 🙂
Originally posted by Accel
What I find interesting is that there are at least five people there who could singlehandedly take Supes and all of them combined can't do anything to him?
5 people ? Bollocks ! .... I'll agree that the general consensus from D.C. writers is that Jonn could beat him and Orion would probably stalemate him on a good day, but there is no one else there who could . I disagree with the idea that any Green lantern would destroy him (A fallucy that is of popular opppinion on this forum), because it really isn't the case. If Superman is not fighting Wonder woman in her own book, she's rarely ever holding her own and Flash and steel dont really stand a chance (Unless Flash is doing the Infinite mass thing.) 🙂
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Agreed , especially if that characters is an obscure marvel one.... I can't believe there are so many Surfer fans, i mean has he ever actually had an interesting book? There is a lot of Superman hate, and i'll be the first to admit that his stories are rarely ever that special. But anyone who has read any Silver surfer books will agree that Supes stories are generally far superior, although still crap ! 🙂
By their example...the Eradicator should whoop anyone who isn't Thanos in the Marvel universe since he is basically the same character on a higher level and with little morals.