Get Rid of The VS Forums Petition

Started by Tha C-Master18 pages

I don't see what would make the vs forum worse than anything here really... all forums have spam, and similar types of posters in all types of forums, its more about the posters than the forum, and I can honestly say that some of the most intelligent posters post in Comic versus at one time or another. Whirly, Cresh, Demi, Gs, Never, Cosmic Cube, and Jinzin sometimes (lol) etc etc. The discussion's there can actually be quite deep if its with the right posters, and with the right topic.

But every forum has its need... OTF is considered as the "toilet" of the forum, so calling it a waste seems to be more counterproductive than anything.

Well, since Scoobles, Digi, and AC said it all for me, I'll just say this:

One of the reasons the Comic VS Forum was originally opened was to ease the many vs threads that were opened in different forums. Now, If we close it down, what'll you think will start happening again? That's right, vs threads in different forums again. Now, is that something that you really wanna see, or would you rather leave them in their designated spot?

Just something to think about...

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'd come with hard facts at this point if anyone's willing to take this debate on. The comic vs. forum is upset about this thread (to say the least). So you'd be up to your eyeballs if you can't back up everything you're saying.

I just want it to remain respectful. Regardless of Vinny's disregard for the vs. forums, he's still entitled to his opinion, as is anyone else who voted in the "get rid of them" column.

I'm not upset with the fact that he has an opinion just that fact that he's trying to persuad people based on a biased opinion with NO evidence produced to back himself up yet.. it's rather stupid.

it's comparible to me saying everyone who doesn't have the favorite color: blue should be banned.. those people are worthless...

it's entirely contingent on preference and the claim has no proof.

I must say that I am finding that this opinion is being based on someone who A) has never been to a vs forums

or B) has never even tried to give them a chance.

While yes we do have our share of things that are spam and dupilactes and we have our little posts of of stupid people but every forum has these things.

I am speaking from first hand experience on t he Comic vs Forum. I know at sometimes it seems we go around in circles and our threads don't do much. But I will tell you this that the poeple there will surprise you and that for every thread is nonsense there are threads that will test your knowledge not only in comic books but in science and many of posters there really shine because of it.

We will threads were we descuss a persons powers and how they should work and what they are capable of. Visit one of those threads and I bet you will learn something new and if you don't think there are many there is normally at least one on the page.

What I'm trying to say is your view Vinny and others who want to see them close is not the whole picture and not even a small fraction of it. there is so much more whether it be educational and fun. Most of the posters there are very intelligent and can get into very great civil debates. Even those that aren't eventually become knowledgable and get better so even though a person may seem like they are making nonsense they learn over time and become better. I've seen it happen a number of times.

I my self go on and will chat inform and have a very good time when I go on the Comic Vs forum. I almost never see any of this intense bickering you describe or personal hatred most of the time those are caused by random people who know nothing of the subjects the they try and talk about or want to learn on them and those people are verywhere.

I will also say that it is run by 3 Mods all of whom do their job well and in fact keep the forum running smootly everyday and with the traffic it gets I think they do better than any other forum.

In fact we are so organized and civil we have started and are in the final stages of kicking off a tourny which by the way will be about the fourth we have run and obviously sine most of the people participating have been a part or entered those tournies I can honestly say they obviously had a good time.

Which by the way KMC is all about going unto a forum and particiapting and talking to other people about interests that you like. I honestly find myself willing to have an itelligent conversation over with how a certain character can beat another then going to a thread and "doing Something to the personabove me"

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't see what would make the vs forum worse than anything here really... all forums have spam, and similar types of posters in all types of forums, its more about the posters than the forum, and I can honestly say that some of the most intelligent posters post in Comic versus at one time or another. Whirly, Cresh, Demi, Gs, Never, Cosmic Cube, and Jinzin sometimes (lol) etc etc. The discussion's there can actually be quite deep if its with the right posters, and with the right topic.

But every forum has its need... OTF is considered as the "toilet" of the forum, so calling it a waste seems to be more counterproductive than anything.

Whirly, Cresh, Demi, Gs? Deep? Intelligent? Pretentious, wanky idiots, maybe. Demi knew his shit when it came to comics, I'll give the man credit gladly there. He was outrageously hypocritical, drawn out and impressed people by over-complication. Creshosk, well, the man can't grasp a point that's any less subtle than a neutron bomb.

That said, I do agree, there are intelligent people there. XMarks, Never, Wyndarr, Digi, Tron, Cube.

-AC

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not upset with the fact that he has an opinion just that fact that he's trying to persuad people based on a biased opinion with NO evidence produced to back himself up yet.. it's rather stupid.

it's comparible to me saying everyone who doesn't have the favorite color: blue should be banned.. those people are worthless...

it's entirely contingent on preference and the claim has no proof.

On this matter, Jinzin, you and I agree completely. I don't have a great interest in the poetry or sports forums, but I understand and respect the fact other individuals do. And I believe that they have every right to congregate and discuss their shared interest. The reason that there have not be any logical arguments presented as to why the vs forum should be closed is that those arguments do not exist.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Whirly, Cresh, Demi, Gs? Deep? Intelligent? Pretentious, wanky idiots, maybe.

That said, I do agree, there are intelligent people there. XMarks, Never, Wyndarr, Digi, Tron, Cube.

-AC

Ah xmarks, that man's a genius... I admittedly go on the vs forum very little now, but it seems less chaotic, than say, last December...

He does seemingly have really good scientific knowledge, so maybe he's a scientific genius. Anywhere else he just seems like a really logical, sensible debator.

Science has no place in that forum, that was, is and always will be its biggest enemy.

-AC

Thorinn king <----- Signature.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He does seemingly have really good scientific knowledge, so maybe he's a scientific genius. Anywhere else he just seems like a really logical, sensible debator.
I was just commenting on the intelligence of the people I mentioned, not even their comic knowledge or "debating talent", those are two different categories altogether.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Science has no place in that forum, that was, is and always will be its biggest enemy.

-AC

Well now, everything is science.

Originally posted by newjak86
In fact we are so organized and civil we have started and are in the final stages of kicking off a tourny which by the way will be about the fourth we have run and obviously sine most of the people participating have been a part or entered those tournies I can honestly say they obviously had a good time.

5th, actually. 😎

And feel free to check it out....anyone who is browsing this. Battles will be starting next Sunday, and anyone can vote in the poll, which will act a tiebreaker if the judges for the matches split.

The tournament is actually an excellent example of what's possible in vs. forums. They require interaction between members, teamwork, strategy, etc. And it's fun and intelligent, while still remaining true to the intentions of the forum. And the level of intricacy involved in the drafting, rule-making, and whatnot is a testament o how seriously members take it, and also how a vs. forum can move well beyond a Superman-vs-Hulk shouting match.

I happen to be running this tourney, but many others have done so in the past, and countless others have participated in them...so this isn't the exception to the vs. forums, but rather the norm as I see it.

Nah, that's silly. Comics are escapism, and debating is fun, but when it gets into "He could do this, this and this." "What? Of course not." "Yes, because in science...".

There's a general lack of sense. Like in Rogue Vs Hulk, for example.

"Rogue would win if she did this, this, this and then that." "Yes, but that wouldn't happen, because she wouldn't win."

There needs to be a cut off point when matches are considered stupid.

-AC

Okay, who would win between Spider-Man with one hand tied behind is back, hopping on one foot VS Batman blindfolded with a coconut up his butt??? 🤨

The thing is, if you had made that thread when I was there, it would have lasted maybe 3 pages.

That's how pathetic it got.

-AC

Originally posted by -Tired Hiker-
Okay, who would win between Spider-Man with one hand tied behind is back, hopping on one foot VS Batman blindfolded with a coconut up his butt??? 🤨

That would get closed nowadays, by the way, if you're trying to be cute about how ridiculous matches can be. I agree, to an extent, that they can be a touch outlandish sometimes, but this is obvious overexaggeration to make your point.

🙄

And if you didn't mean it like that, then it still made me smile. 😉

It was only exaggerated in the sense of content.

People did make threads like, "Spider-Man, Daredevil and Batman Vs The Hulk, Doom and Wolverine in a desert with mountains and no help and no.." etc.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Nah, that's silly. Comics are escapism, and debating is fun, but when it gets into "He could do this, this and this." "What? Of course not." "Yes, because in science...".

Well, science is any type of knowledge, and an art is any way we express that knowledge.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There's a general lack of sense. Like in Rogue Vs Hulk, for example.

"Rogue would win if she did this, this, this and then that." "Yes, but that wouldn't happen, because she wouldn't win."

Well something like, " Human torch cannot make his flames alone in space" could be a good argument as there is no oxygen in space. Also, combined with the fact that he has been proven not to be able to conjure them in space. Not to be confused with Firelord, whose actual flames are not fire.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There needs to be a cut off point when matches are considered stupid.

-AC

Well the question is, "What is too scientific?" The comic world is based around the real world, and what is too scientific will vary from person to person, and that will vary upon their scientific knowledge in the first place.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
That would get closed nowadays, by the way, if you're trying to be cute about how ridiculous matches can be. I agree, to an extent, that they can be a touch outlandish sometimes, but this is obvious overexaggeration to make your point.

🙄

And if you didn't mean it like that, then it still made me smile. 😉


I really can't define why I typed that, I just thought it would be funny. 🙂

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
I open a thread about getting my hair cut and it will get 150 posts easily.
I'm sure no one gives a crap what your hair looks like. 🙂

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Nah, that's silly. Comics are escapism, and debating is fun, but when it gets into "He could do this, this and this." "What? Of course not." "Yes, because in science...".

There's a general lack of sense. Like in Rogue Vs Hulk, for example.

"Rogue would win if she did this, this, this and then that." "Yes, but that wouldn't happen, because she wouldn't win."

There needs to be a cut off point when matches are considered stupid.

-AC

I'm trying to get what your saying here.

Are you trying to say that science has no business in comics or

Are you trying to ask when a match becomes stupid?

If it is the first then well Science well never truely explained in comics is fascinating to bring in and see how some of these powers in theory work in the real world and in turn what that implies it is very fascinating.

If it is the later well I can give you an answer to that. A match only become stupid when uniformed people make claims they can not back up or when people can no longer bring new interesting info and angles unto it. In which case they then die which they should( And do most of the time) or in the rare occassion things actually do get out of hand they are closed.

Other than that no match can really be considered stupid as long as civil and informative angles are brought in.