Most Overrated & Underrated Characters

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm with P. Iori is the closest thing to god in SNK right now, and it's a little redick. I mean, what do you have to do, make him beat God Rugal solo? Don't tell me, Iori has a shot? Not even Orochi Iori is that strong. Orochi Iori is very very powerful. But Iori is around the same tier as Rock, Kyo, Terry and a few other guys. Terry can beat Iori, that's grounded and provable. Kyo was created to be on par with Terry. Not beat Terry, but compete with him. Iori can beat Kyo. Terry is more powerful than Kyo, due to his experience and diversity of abilities. I think Terry has a 60% chance of beating Kyo, maybe 65-70%

Originally posted by JToTheP
Oh yeah BF, if Duke Nukem is underrated, where is Duke Nukem Forever? 😛

"Nah. Care to explain?"

Just that most of the time it seems if Iori is involved in a vs discussion you side with him...except in the Ryu vs Iori debate.

"So you saying he can't beat anyone under that level? Seriously, what could I say about Terry that wouldn't piss you off?"

No it's that you somehow imply that Terry is weaker than Kyo, Iori and Rock...I might be wrong but that's how it sure sounds like. Like I said dude Terry has his ups and downs and I have stated numerous times he can WIN and he can LOSE.

"lol You're responding as if I'm singling you out. I'm not. Any examples of me writing him off recently?"

Good point...skip that.

"And? He is arguably the best. I can't help it if he's popular for good reason. Give him a chance. Liking Terry shouldn't equate to hating Iori. He's a quality character too. I'd like to see stuff from these Iori fans that think he's overrated. Any links?"

See thats the thing...Iori fans make him out to be somewhat godlike(not the O. Iori)he is skilled I will give him that, but many Iori fans seem to think since he is cool and badass, he owns.....it's kind of how you hate it when people here speak of Terry whipping ass due to the animes. As for the link as you will see I started the topic. http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11477

So the other sites have it right He's not untouchable, he's just tough.

Did you actually check around?

"Don't see how. I only think about 4 non-bosses would beat him & that 1 would @ least stalemate him. Everybody else(dozens of characters) he'd beat. Explain how that eqates to hate broseph. Are you saying that because I think a few guys would beat him that I hate him? That make sense to you? Seriously. I've honestly given him props as of late. I don't hate movie Terry, I hate that entire movie. Truth is that some use that movie to define Terry & you know it. Not you man, so don't even think I'm talking about you."

Hehe...well like I said we differ on the anime....broseph?. Maybe I judged to harshly....I have been trying to steer people of the motion picture and focus on the games...though it gets me heated(NOT YOU)when people will drap in my face that Kyo and Iori are superior fighters because they defeated Orochi and weild crimson flames. If someone comes to me in face with that stuff there will be some seriously trouble.

"Does Iori's popularity over Terry make you hate him? Is that it?"

Not really... it's the way alot of fans and comic writers sweat him and overexpose him(fanboys,fangirls, comic artist, cosplay people) I almost punched someone in the face because of this.

"You'll never see me say Iori or any of the nonupperlevel bosses can beat G.Rugal. If Terry being able to beat Iori is grounded & provable, I challenge you to do so good sir"

Was that for me or Trickersterpreist?

As for the Kyo deal see Kyo as I have stated was not created to be superior to Terry or Ryo... just to rival or hold his own against them. Folks as I have stated somehow seem to really overrate Kyo seeing how he has won KOF(needing HIS team not 1 on 1)think he is a genious and guru of fighting being behind Iori ofcourse. Kyo's a natural because he throws flames......that does not mean he is superior and skilled...which I am not saying. He has the martial arts knowledge but he is not superior. If you think about it Terry has a natural talent as well. Not all people have it in them to have the passion and desire of fighting the way Terry does....and yes the same thing with Ryu....thats all I am saying.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
"Nah. Care to explain?"

Just that most of the time it seems if Iori is involved in a vs discussion you side with him...except in the Ryu vs Iori debate.

Originally posted by P-Geyser

No it's that you somehow imply that Terry is weaker than Kyo, Iori and Rock...I might be wrong but that's how it sure sounds like. Like I said dude Terry has his ups and downs and I have stated numerous times he can WIN and he can LOSE.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
See thats the thing...Iori fans make him out to be somewhat godlike(not the O. Iori)he is skilled I will give him that, but many Iori fans seem to think since he is cool and badass, he owns.....it's kind of how you hate it when people here speak of Terry whipping ass due to the animes. As for the link as you will see I started the topic. http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11477

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Hehe...well like I said we differ on the anime....broseph?. Maybe I judged to harshly....I have been trying to steer people of the motion picture and focus on the games...though it gets me heated(NOT YOU)when people will drap in my face that Kyo and Iori are superior fighters because they defeated Orochi and weild crimson flames. If someone comes to me in face with that stuff there will be some seriously trouble.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Not really... it's the way alot of fans and comic writers sweat him and overexpose him(fanboys,fangirls, comic artist, cosplay people) I almost punched someone in the face because of this.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
"You'll never see me say Iori or any of the nonupperlevel bosses can beat G.Rugal. If Terry being able to beat Iori is grounded & provable, I challenge you to do so good sir"

Was that for me or Trickersterpreist?

Originally posted by P-Geyser
As for the Kyo deal see Kyo as I have stated was not created to be superior to Terry or Ryo... just to rival or hold his own against them. Folks as I have stated somehow seem to really overrate Kyo seeing how he has won KOF(needing HIS team not 1 on 1)think he is a genious and guru of fighting being behind Iori of course. Kyo's a natural because he throws flames......that does not mean he is superior and skilled...which I am not saying. He has the martial arts knowledge but he is not superior. If you think about it Terry has a natural talent as well. Not all people have it in them to have the passion and desire of fighting the way Terry does....and yes the same thing with Ryu....thats all I am saying.

Originally posted by Lana
He didn't swear once in his post, what the heck are you talking about?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And finally, my list.
Overrated: Sephiroth (All incarnations). I can't even begin to describe how much I hate this guy. Jin Kazama. Ashtar hated this guy, and I'm starting to agree. NO ****ING WAY HE CAN BEAT HEIHACHI AND KAZUYA IN A FAIR FIGHT! THAT's overrated. Athena Asamiya. Good character, baaaaaad personality and voice. Also overrated. Yes, she's powerful as the original Athena, but that's uncanon. Half the Kyokugen school, I happen to like Older Ryo, Mr. Karate, Robert, and Marco. The rest, especially Takuma, are crap. Ansatsuken copycats. Kyo Kusanagi, well, you know why. I spelled that out earlier. Ryu (SF). The guy is cool but he's the most overrated character in SF. Gill. Can't stand the ****er. I don't give a shit if he thinks he's god, he's not top tier.

Underrated: Terry. *high fives P-Geyser* Rugal. People love to crap on Rugal. "Oh look, Kyo beat him easily." Rugal is 5x the character Kyo is. SNK boss syndrome aside, Rugal is still the best boss SNK ever came up. Ash Crimson. Gayness aside, he's one of the better villains. If they toned him down abit, and made him a little more subtle, he'd be much better. Viewtiful Joe. The dude is.....Viewtiful. 😮‍💨 the entire ZOE series. Best mecha series ever, and mother****ers come onto boards and claim Gundams could beat them. ****ING GUNDAMS! An orbital Frame generates power in the terawatts, a few hundred or so. That's a million or so times the power of a gundam. Bomberman. 👆 I love that little guy. Kefka. the most underrated villain in FF history, is still one of the best of all time, maybe the best in FF. Grahf, from Xenogears. Spectacular villain, so powerful, he beats down mechs barehanded. Awesome theme music. Dante. Cool as ****, but people downplay him alot.

"Then why do you seem to have such a problem w/him losing to such a small number of people? I do think he's weaker than Iori & Kyo. What if he is? Is that really that bad? End of the world maybe? You think they are weaker than him. Hell, you said he'd beat Kyo & Shingo together. I think you even said he could take O.Iori I'm not gonna go crazy 'cause you think that. You have a right to(be wrong ). I think he can stalemate Rock......for now."

There it is again Terry has not and has never been stated as "weaker" than both Kyo and Iori. This has alot to do with the Orochi factor. Yes I think he can take on both Kyo and Shingo...since Shingo is still very green and would not be much of a problem. If you were to say Terry taking on both Kyo and Iori I would say no. I am sorry but who do you think you are to tell someone they "have a write to be wrong?"

"You almost punched someone because they like a character you don't? Not cool man. I hope that was a joke."

Sad to say but it's true. It was not the fact that the guy in the arcade was an Iori fan, just the fact that he was an obnoxious a$$hole. Also he was working my chain and adding to that sweating Iori and talking that he is a god and telling me I dont know what I am talking about. Had my friend not been there that guy would have lost some teeth and two tags on his forehead.

"This guy Southtownkid isn't a big fan of Iori either, but he's got one thing right.
"I can tell you flat out, I'm getting pretty tired of Iori. Thought he was very cool in '95, but somewhere over the last 10 years, I've really started to get bored with him. But no way is he overrated. He's strong, and he's pretty easy to use." & no. It's not like me hating people speaking of Terry whipping ass due to the animes. The animes ain't canon. That's a fact. Iori not owning is merely a matter of opinion."

Yeah but one poster stated he thinks(or his friend)Iori is overrated while being his biggest fan. Even though you stated that you dont hate the fact that people speak of Terry whipping ass due to the animes, I am sure you seem to get a little tired of it. That's how I feel due to people thinking(AGAIN NOT YOU)Iori outclasses the whole cast as well as Kyo as fighters due to the fact they beat(sealed)Orochi.

"I'd say they're more motivated. Kyo's a naturally good fighter, the flames just make him more powerful"

Kyo is powerful beacause he can weild flames that I agree. Though that does not make him superior above most.

Originally posted by MadMel
nah..cloud didnt know who he was remember..

cloud didn't remeber huge parts of past events, considering what he forgot, or rather replaced, missing out a fight with one guy isn't much

i can't wait until the ps3 comes out, along with the FF7 remake 😊

and i challenge all those who don't like ff7 who never played it to atleast give it a try, please

Originally posted by P-Geyser
There it is again Terry has not and has never been stated as "weaker" than both Kyo and Iori. This has alot to do with the Orochi factor. Yes I think he can take on both Kyo and Shingo...since Shingo is still very green and would not be much of a problem. If you were to say Terry taking on both Kyo and Iori I would say no. I am sorry but who do you think you are to tell someone they "have a write to be wrong?"

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Sad to say but it's true. It was not the fact that the guy in the arcade was an Iori fan, just the fact that he was an obnoxious a$$hole. Also he was working my chain and adding to that sweating Iori and talking that he is a god and telling me I dont know what I am talking about. Had my friend not been there that guy would have lost some teeth and two tags on his forehead.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Yeah but one poster stated he thinks(or his friend)Iori is overrated while being his biggest fan. Even though you stated that you dont hate the fact that people speak of Terry whipping ass due to the animes, I am sure you seem to get a little tired of it. That's how I feel due to people thinking(AGAIN NOT YOU)Iori outclasses the whole cast as well as Kyo as fighters due to the fact they beat(sealed)Orochi.

"Was he kicking @ss w/Iori"

No...not at that time he was just standing around. I have seem him and played against him using Iori. He is fairly predictable.

"Do they cite that as a reason? The Orochi thing don't mean much to me anymore. Even w/out that feat he's still kicking @$$ all the time. He's a badass. & there's honestly no KOF nonboss who'd logically whoop his @ss more often than not IMO"

It may not mean that much to you but it does to alot of Iori fans. Again Iori is skilled yes but he just cant breeze past characters like nothing such as ala HK comics and mangas. He is not the baddest man walking the whole planet.

The kof heiracrhy is pretty crappy. I always assumed terry and kyo were on the same level, But, it's clear to me snk lack of versatiliy in writing has allowed terry to become an unimportant in terms of plot. With all these orochi plot devices, it's clear snk is trying to say something. Basically, no orchi blood, no power, or spot light. Combined with the fact that just recently a new comer jobbed the hell out of an established character I.E. Ash beating orochi. It just makes things more random.

It's obvious terry can't beat Iori, simply because he's "Orochi Fighters" star character!

overrated: arthas
underrated: yuna

Overrated: Sabin
Underrated: illidan - a little anyways

Originally posted by P-Geyser
"Was he kicking @ss w/Iori"

No...not at that time he was just standing around. I have seem him and played against him using Iori. He is fairly predictable.

"Do they cite that as a reason? The Orochi thing don't mean much to me anymore. Even w/out that feat he's still kicking @$$ all the time. He's a badass. & there's honestly no KOF nonboss who'd logically whoop his @ss more often than not IMO"

It may not mean that much to you but it does to alot of Iori fans. Again Iori is skilled yes but he just cant breeze past characters like nothing such as ala HK comics and mangas. He is not the baddest man walking the whole planet.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The kof heiracrhy is pretty crappy. I always assumed terry and kyo were on the same level, But, it's clear to me snk lack of versatiliy in writing has allowed terry to become an unimportant in terms of plot. With all these orochi plot devices, it's clear snk is trying to say something. Basically, no orchi blood, no power, or spot light. Combined with the fact that just recently a new comer jobbed the hell out of an established character I.E. Ash beating orochi. It just makes things more random.

It's obvious terry can't beat Iori, simply because he's "Orochi Fighters" star character!

Yeah alot of fans use the comics when dealing with Iori. I won against the guy numerous times even with him using Iori.

I disgaree about Kyo having an advantage over Terry though.

"It's obvious terry can't beat Iori, simply because he's "Orochi Fighters" star character!"

Thats the overration of Iori right there.

Amen brother. I consider there to a large tier close to the top consisting of Terry, Iori and various others. I think Kyo is just shy of qualifying for that tier.

The problem with the orochi thing, is that it's created the perception of orochi blood/flames=godly. The storyline doesn't give any room or credit to anyone outside the designated spotlight of orochi fighters and flame users. We keep saying that we love the gamplay and hate the KOF story, but isn't the fractured and vague hierarchy and crappy storyline resolutions the reason we can't have clean arguements and why there's such contention? Using sources outside canon, such as the HK comics, for trying to approximate power levels and scenarios is ludicrous. It's as crazy as saying Terry is a godkiller because of the fatal fury movies. Oh and, IMO: Kyo<Iori=Terry.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Again, do these fans cite the HK comics or the Orochi fight? So you kicked this guys @ss when he played w/Iori then?It's obvious to me too, but not for that reason. I think Kyo’s got a slight advantage over Terry. Even if you think they’re equals then you automatically gotta give Iori the win because you said Iori’s superior to Kyo to the point where they shouldn’t even be rivals. Ash beat Orochi?

I mean't Orochi Iori, my bad.

The thing is that in kof, it's not the strongest character with the most consistent feats who dominates. It's the most important character to the plot, and there in lay the problem. Boss characters further this fact, since they are not really characters, just plot devices that make the main character look cool. Hence why they always die via some plot device (Justic Flame) or they lose soundly to Kyo, Iori, and just recently K in every flipping game. I don't see how it's clear to you, because it seems that it's basically like this

Top Tier:Flame users
Second Tier:Bosses
Last Tier: Everybody else

And that's ridicules, in 2000 and 2001. The majority of the kof cast was jobbed by the boss just to be beaten by K. Now the reason was because lynn poisoned him which weakened zero. K comes in and beats zero, I have no problem with this. But then 2001, everyone loses again, and Kyo, Iori, K save the day with justicflame. So, that means Justice Flame> Kof cast.

Originally posted by P-Geyser

"It's obvious terry can't beat Iori, simply because he's "Orochi Fighters" star character!"

Thats the overration of Iori right there.

But it's exactly how the cookie crumbles at the end of the day.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I mean't Orochi Iori, my bad.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The thing is that in kof, it's not the strongest character with the most consistent feats who dominates. It's the most important character to the plot, and there in lay the problem. Boss characters further this fact, since they are not really characters, just plot devices that make the main character look cool. Hence why they always die via some plot device (Justic Flame) or they lose soundly to Kyo, Iori, and just recently K in every flipping game. I don't see how it's clear to you, because it seems that it's basically like this

Top Tier:Flame users
Second Tier:Bosses
Last Tier: Everybody else

And that's ridicules, in 2000 and 2001. The majority of the kof cast was jobbed by the boss just to be beaten by K. Now the reason was because lynn poisoned him which weakened zero. K comes in and beats zero, I have no problem with this. But then 2001, everyone loses again, and Kyo, Iori, K save the day with justicflame. So, that means Justice Flame> Kof cast.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Yeah alot of fans use the comics when dealing with Iori.

BTW. I read somewhere that Geese might have drunk some of Goenitz's blood. This true? SNK & Capcom should put out canon books so we'd know who's already beaten who.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Oh. Iori had just finished putting the hurt on Kyo & Shingo @ the same time by himself. Ash took advantage of the situation. Smart move on his part. Ash ain't taking him in a fair one. Iori don't job for nobody.

Shingo! lol, your telling me he was exhausted from fighting shingo?

Originally posted by brainchild81

Main characters will be the victor over bosses more often than not. Like it or not, it's the way things work & have always worked. Where was this complaint when Terry was running things?
I haven't been able to see these books. Even going by the games, dude's always beating the s**t outta people

None of terry's bosses decimated an entire cast before getting jobbed by the orochi brothers. I'm aware bosses will lose,But, it's really stupid that no one can beat the bosses but those two every year.No matter how strong the boss is.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Shingo! lol, your telling me he was exhausted from fighting shingo?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
None of terry's bosses decimated an entire cast before getting jobbed by the orochi brothers. I'm aware bosses will lose,But, it's really stupid that no one can beat the bosses but those two every year.No matter how strong the boss is.

Originally posted by brainchild81
😆 & Kyo. He beat them both. NONE of the others(nonbosses) from KOF could have pulled this off(regardless of how popular they are 😐). Most of them wouldn't even beat Kyo by himself. No matter how much one might hate Kyo, he's still one of KOF's best.

Yeah, I forget Kyo's a boss character 🙁

Originally posted by brainchild81

Kyo has no Orochi in him. Only Iori. I see where you're coming from, but that's SNK's fault for not having enough worthy hero designs & not using the one's they do. CVS2 had Rock. SVC didn't. One game was good & the other sucked in comparison. Kyo & Iori get waaay more than their fair share of hate because they took the spotlight from Terry & Lame-o, I mean Ryo. Mainly Terry, 'cause nobody really cares about Ryo anymore.

It's not even that, How can 3 people beat a guy that owned the whole Kof 2001 cast at the same time I.E. Kyo, Iori, and K beating igniz. I can imagine it, They get up after geting the beat down from igniz, power up, and say:

We win!

And they do, That's just too much. I understand their establishhed characters, except K. But, man. . .