Yes and no.
It was the LT, but it wasn't the total sum of the LT's power. It was only the LT M-Body of the 616 with an undefined amount of the LT's total sum of power.
I think GS was right in another thread where he said that LT is limited in how much power he can bring to bear in a given reality because his main duty is protection, not destruction. LT can be carrying out tasks on multiple planes of existence simultaneously from his vantage point outside the M-MV. I don't think it's ever been necessary for him to devote his total sum into a single universe. Or at least not depicted.
Here is a question who wins Jean Grey/Phoenix vs Abstract Silver Surfer when LT gave him a taste of that power. LT is law in every Universe Marvel has like Ultimate,House of M,AOA,Desth's Head II's, and any more that there are. But he take stop the natural balance that beyond his powers like IG Thanos becoming Eternity or maybe even stopping HOTU Thanos from consuming him and all abstracts in that Universe. I also find it funny that Phoenix was not in ether sages IG or HOTU. Where was it during Hero's reborn?
"When Earth-89112's reality was overrun with demons, the Living Tribunal nearly destroyed it, but that earth was redeemed by its counterpart the Phoenix Force , which eradicated all of the demons. The Living Tribunal then had the Phoenix Force depart from earth."
Tell the truth and shame the devil.
Why wasn't Phoenix in the big Starlin sagas? Who knows. My guess is that Starlin didn't want to use the character. Besides, as much as people ***** about Phoenix now, can you imagine if Phoenix had been involved in those situations?
Illadelph12, I made the comments about the M-bodies for the LT before, but was thoroughly belittled and berated. It didn't make any sense to me that the LT would not have M-bodies like the other abstracts, especially since he was shown to have them in the Dimension of Manifestations.
Originally posted by MiderI meant where'd you get the idea that the LT has counterparts. That's not in the handbook, and that's not what the writer of Last Planet Standing (where Reed Richards sucker punched a cosmic group) said either.
dude its in the very beginning of this thread..........and your the one who posted it wherent you?
Originally posted by Cosmic FlameOr maybe he wasn't allowed to use the character...we know there's a lot of behind-the-scenes politics. Certain characters (usually X-characters) are protected by certain writers (ie. Claremont) and editors, and without a doubt, Phoenix is one of them. Keith Giffen and Andy Schmidt relayed those sentiments in a recent 'Annihilation' interview...though very, very indirectly.
Why wasn't Phoenix in the big Starlin sagas? Who knows. My guess is that Starlin didn't want to use the character.
Actually, the handbook says that LT and Phoenix are counterparts.
"When Earth-89112's reality was overrun with demons, the Living Tribunal nearly destroyed it, but that earth was redeemed by its counterpart the Phoenix Force, which eradicated all of the demons. The Living Tribunal then had the Phoenix Force depart from earth."
It's a matter of reading comprehension, Mider.
This statement means that LT and Phoenix are peers.
It seems the difference is that Phoenix is responsible for creation, and LT is responsible for protecting and maintaining said creation, which makes perfect sense (and is also what I said myself a few months back in a discussion leonidas, demigawd, GS, and a few others were having).
This does clarify a few things.
LT and Phoenix's roles are somewhat co-dependent. Or at least up until the point when it's time for Phoenix to purge the multiverse and restart it. At that point LT's role isn't necessary.
Makes perfect sense.
[However, I do sense a particular poster taking issue with the fact that the handbook states LT and Phoenix as counterparts rather than LT as Phoenix subordinate. Maybe he'll surprise me.]
Originally posted by Mider
then what is that thing you posted, someone quoted that LT has m-bodies if there is only one with out counters how can he have an M-body less M-body is something i dont understand.
There is only one LT, but he can be in more than one place at one time.
Just like there is only one Phoenix Force, but it can manifest itself into multiple physical planes of reality at one time.
The only difference is that the Phoenix Force uses avatars/hosts that are embued with a portion of it's sum of power to carry out a duty, and LT uses M-Body representations that are embued with a fraction of his sum of power to carry out a duty. That is from the writer and the handbook, not my 'opinion' (though congruent with my opinion).
Originally posted by MiderI have the handbook entry on The Dimension of Manifestations that'll help explain it to you. I'll scan it in tomorrow and post it.
then what is that thing you posted, someone quoted that LT has m-bodies if there is only one with out counters how can he have an M-body less M-body is something i dont understand.
Originally posted by illadelph12
This statement means that LT and Phoenix are peers.It seems the difference is that Phoenix is responsible for creation, and LT is responsible for protecting and maintaining said creation, which makes perfect sense (and is also what I said myself a few months back in a discussion leonidas, demigawd, GS, and a few others were having).
That quote by Cosmic Flame is misworded. It actually says, "but that earth was redeemed by its counterpart of the Phoenix Force"
When read with correct text, that Phoenix Force is a counter part of 616's Phoenix Force and not a counterpart of the Living Tribunal.
I.E., "but that Earth (Earth-89112) was redeemed by its counterpart OF the Phoenix Force, which eradicated all of the demons. The Living Tribunal then had the Phoenix Force depart from earth."