Captain America would win hands down. He is stronger, faster and IMO he is a much better fighter. Captain America is considered number one in marvel (among the likes of Elektra, Shang Chi, Iron Fist) or at the very least he is compeating for the number one spot, Batman doesn't even make top 5 in DC. Most people are content to throw Batman a bone and say that he is Caps equal in h2h but I just don't see that as the case.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Captain America would win hands down. He is stronger, faster and IMO he is a much better fighter. Captain America is considered number one in marvel (among the likes of Elektra, Shang Chi, Iron Fist) or at the very least he is compeating for the number one spot, Batman doesn't even make top 5 in DC. Most people are content to throw Batman a bone and say that he is Caps equal in h2h but I just don't see that as the case.
Really? Considering he's beaten Batgirl, he's beaten Lady Shiva, and he's stalemated Richard Dragon. Lady Shiva has yet to defeat Batman out of all the times they have fought. Same with Batgirl, he beat her as well.
Originally posted by batdude123
Really? Considering he's beaten Batgirl, he's beaten Lady Shiva, and he's stalemated Richard Dragon. Lady Shiva has yet to defeat Batman out of all the times they have fought. Same with Batgirl, he beat her as well.
Since he likes to beat his own bat family can he beat himself as well!
Originally posted by batdude123
Really? Considering he's beaten Batgirl, he's beaten Lady Shiva, and he's stalemated Richard Dragon. Lady Shiva has yet to defeat Batman out of all the times they have fought. Same with Batgirl, he beat her as well.
He beat a mind controlled Lady Shiva.
He stalemated Richard Dragon who was a) already in a fight and b) was trying not to fight Batman (can the same be said for Bruce?)
Bruce held his own against Cass (who was under the effects of a drug but so was he). He was on the run the whole fight, he used gagets and the whole time Case was only trying to steal a kiss.
Not very impressive is it? All three of these fighters are much better fighters then Batman.
This is a really even match IMO. Could go either way. Both excellent fighters. This thread could go for 100 replies if we break it down to who knows more moves or fighting styles ect. So ill asume they are equally brilliant fighters.
Ill give the majority to Caps though. He is above peak human in strength, speed, agility, durability, reflexes ect.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He beat a mind controlled Lady Shiva.He stalemated Richard Dragon who was a) already in a fight and b) was trying not to fight Batman (can the same be said for Bruce?)
Bruce held his own against Cass (who was under the effects of a drug but so was he). He was on the run the whole fight, he used gagets and the whole time Case was only trying to steal a kiss.
Not very impressive is it? All three of these fighters are much better fighters then Batman.
Considering Shiva and Batman have fought other than that, it's not the only proof. He's gotten the better of her more than once. Not only that, whether she was mind-controlled or not, is pure speculation. "Her loyalty is commanded purely by money.... so her role in this evening's fiasco could be on her own terms. Regardless of whether or not she's being mind-controlled, the question has always lingered; which is the better fighter between the two of us..." Speculation, that's all it is. She wasn't ever actually stated as being mind-controlled.
Against Richard Dragon, Batman wasn't going all out either. He just wanted to bring RD into the police station. It wasn't like he was actually trying to kill him. Besides, RD was doing whatever it took to not go in with him. Besides that, RD talked Batman down before it could really amount to anything. However, that's all we have to go by between them.
Batgirl and Batman have fought twice. He's gotten the better of her both times. It was pretty clear that he was the master, and she was the student.
Originally posted by srankmissingninand can bats really KO a man who has been used as a human wrecking ball???? probably, but not before he catches 1 on the button and drops faster than a bass-heads weight.
He beat a mind controlled Lady Shiva.He stalemated Richard Dragon who was a) already in a fight and b) was trying not to fight Batman (can the same be said for Bruce?)
Bruce held his own against Cass (who was under the effects of a drug but so was he). He was on the run the whole fight, he used gagets and the whole time Case was only trying to steal a kiss.
Not very impressive is it? All three of these fighters are much better fighters then Batman.
Originally posted by batdude123
Considering Shiva and Batman have fought other than that, it's not the only proof. He's gotten the better of her more than once. Not only that, whether she was mind-controlled or not, is pure speculation. "Her loyalty is commanded purely by money.... so her role in this evening's fiasco could be on her own terms. Regardless of whether or not she's being mind-controlled, the question has always lingered; which is the better fighter between the two of us..." Speculation, that's all it is. She wasn't ever actually stated as being mind-controlled.Against Richard Dragon, Batman wasn't going all out either. He just wanted to bring RD into the police station. It wasn't like he was actually trying to kill him. Besides, RD was doing whatever it took to not go in with him. Besides that, RD talked Batman down before it could really amount to anything. However, that's all we have to go by between them.
Batgirl and Batman have fought twice. He's gotten the better of her both times. It was pretty clear that he was the master, and she was the student.
So someone has the ability to control hordes of supervillians and they think to them self "you know, instead of using my ability to control minds I'd like to spend millions of dollars to hire the worlds deadliest assassin." That doesn't even makes sense.
Batman has admited to himself that Shiva is better then he is. He managed to beat her once with the help of Robin and once when she was (*sigh*) most likely under the influence of mindcontrol. Niether are relevent.
And the other time Batman "got the better" of Cass he started coughing up blood during his speech and she had a smirk on her face. Cass got the better of him... like always. She is better then he is. Both Batman and Shiva thinks so... why don't you?
Face it Batman isn't top tier. He knows it (he says it enough) and deep down you know it too.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So someone has the ability to control hordes of supervillians and they think to them self "you know, instead of using my ability to control minds I'd like to spend millions of dollars to hire the worlds deadliest assassin." That doesn't even makes sense.Batman has admited to himself that Shiva is better then he is. He managed to beat her once with the help of Robin and once when she was (*sigh*) most likely under the influence of mindcontrol.
The other time Batman "got the better" he started coughing up blood turing his speech and she had a smirk on her face. Cass got the better of him.
Face it Batman is top tier. He knows it (he says it enough) and deep down you know it too.
Yes, Batman is top tier. All these fights have gone either way. The fight you are talking about where Batman and Robin fought Shiva was in 1988. Batman has since gotten the better of her as well. Cass and Batman have fought and Batman did get the better of her. Although, Batman and Cass are pretty equal. People just go by cliche and state that Batman isn't equal or even close to the Dragon/Shiva/Cain level, however his feats would say otherwise. 😬